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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/20/06 08:46:04 PM Age 54, CO
I hope it is. I hope it's never found to be "conclusive" evidence. Faith would have little power if we had a lot of proof. Re: the survey about the biblical account of the ark that accompanied the article -- The third and proper answer is it is a myth AND true. Myth is not a lie! Myth is truth that has no factual expression.
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    Posted On: 06/29/06 05:34:12 PMAge 39, TX
    So - according to your logic Jesus should not have healed the blind or lepers because that would be evidence that he was God.
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  2. Re: Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
    Posted On: 06/23/06 06:31:54 PMAge 45, NY
    Although faith can be the "evidence of things not seen" this definition alone is limiting to the full scope of what faith is. Add to that definition the typical overused but simplified "trust" along with trust a "heart appreciation (rom.10:10) for the doing and dieing of Jesus. Then like the centurion in Matt 8 he believed the "word" had power to accomplish the impossible fromj great distances. As one 19th century writer siad "You can say you believe in Jesus when you have an appreciation of the cost of salvation." Yes, yes more evidence for all the "Thomas's" out there.
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  3. Re: Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
    Posted On: 06/21/06 08:08:38 AMAge 31, NC
    I would like to point out that less evidence is not a good thing. In saying that we hope it is never proved conclusive (as in the previous post) is a short-sighted outlook. That would be tatamount to saying, "We wish ALL evidence for Christianity would disappear so we could have more faith; the less reason we have to believe something, the more we believe it." Clearly this is not the biblical definition of the word faith. We must be careful not to become anti-evidentialists in our desire for greater faith. In fact our faith should be strengthend with every new evidence that is unearthed. The Apostle Paul provided evidence in hopes that people would come to faith. He said if Christ be not risen, our faith is in vain. That was not just a statement about faith, it was also a statement saying that the evidence of our salvation is that Christ was KNOWN to have risen from the dead. Is this the Ark? I don't know. But let's be thankful to God that our Bible is so factual and true that we can search for something and expect to find it. Faith and Fact are not enemies.
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Sorry, folks, it's NOT Noah's ark!!
Posted On: 06/20/06 03:39:55 PM Age 55, ND
While it would be nice if this was Noah's ark, I believe that it's just a basalt dike or intrusion from volcanic activity. Here's why. The difference in color between the formation and the surrounding material is typical of a basalt flow over underlying material. See the pictures of the basalt flows over the rim of the Grand Canyon for a good picture of this. As for the timber-like shape, see the Giant's causeway in Ireland for pictures of basalt forming long beam-like structures due to rapid cooling. Seashells are found on numerous mountain tops so no proof from that. If a lab tested the material and found petrified wood, publish the name of the lab and the data. Who interpreted the data? Was it absolutely positively petrified wood? Also, if the ancient historians reported that the actual timbers of the ark existed in the mountains, then there should be timbers there or remnants of timbers because in order for wood to be fossilized it has to come in contact with water containing a lot of dissolved minerals, conditions that are very unlikely on top of a mountian. Wood doesn't just fossilize upon years of exposure to the air. Remember, the Bible does say it came to rest on a mountain that was already there. As for the evidence of worship, many cultures went to the mountain tops and built shrines there. I am a believer, but I agree with the person who commented here that whenever a supposed discovery is made that seems to support the Bible too many say "Phew, thank goodness this proves we aren't crazy after all!" and rush to proclaim that fact before the authenticity of the discovery is proven true. Then when it's shown not to be true the world says "Yup, these christians fit right in with the UFO folks." A person's faith should not live or die on this type of discovery.
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  1. Re: Sorry, folks, it's NOT Noah's ark!!
    Posted On: 07/02/06 07:45:04 PMAge 55, TX
    You seem to not allow another persons beliefs or conclusions to be their own. Yet yours are to be accepted until proven wrong? Sounds like one of the Priests that sentenced Jesus to death to me. No proof is ever enough, but your way is the only way. Sad. Stephen
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  2. Re: Sorry, folks, it's NOT Noah's ark!!
    Posted On: 06/30/06 07:37:15 AMAge 40, TX
    Dismissal without study. For example, you can say it is basalt or that a volcanic activity can explain variation in color. But if you studied even the available pictures before attempting to debunk, you would find the one of the 90 degree angle - NEVER a capability of a volcano. Also, the entire mountain in the large pictures has no other rocks like this "formation". A geological protrusion would result from the available rocks and therefore be the same color. I could sit here and pick apart the find as well, but ask yourself why you are doing this? To be a skeptic or an unbeliever? Your heart will answer this. If you believe in God and were face-to-face with Him, would you have the confidence without study to say, "Sorry, fold, it's NOT Noah's ark!!" Search yourself and God first.
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/19/06 08:09:23 PM Age 35, TX
While this is exciting from an archaeological perspective as well as personal affirmation of our faith in the Word of G-d, I find myself not only agreeing with the person who referenced Luke 16:31 and its implications for UNbelievers but also considering its implications for believers (including myself) as well. Undoubtedly G-d can use the (possible) discovery of the Ark to restore shattered faith, draw unbelievers to Himself, and work His will in His world. I find myself facing the following questions and examining my heart: If this discovery were unequivocally proven to be Noah's Ark what would be the impact on our day-to-day lives as believers? Would it lead us to "Love the Lord our G-d with ALL our hearts, with ALL our souls, and will ALL our strength" in obedience to Mark 12:29-30, the greatest commandment? Would we "love our neighbor as ourselves" more? (Mark 12:31) Would we be kinder towards other believers with whom we disagree and become known for the love we have for one another (John 13:35)? Would we obey His commandments more closely and walk as our Savior walked (1 John 2:3-6)? If my answer to these questions is "no", then I would consider this find to be of rather limited value... intellectually stimulating but of no lasting value in my walk with the Lord. If my answer to these questions is "yes", then I would find great value in the discovery. Yet even in that answer I find myself asking "WHY am I waiting for such affirmation"? Whether or not the Ark has been discovered, why shouldnt I choose TODAY to serve as my Savior came to serve? Why shouldnt I choose TODAY to set aside my own needs (even for just a little while) and lay down my life for the benefit of others? Why shouldnt I choose TODAY to take up my cross and let the glory of my Lord shine through the work He does through me? As the song goes, "If we are the Body, why aren't His arms reaching? Why aren't His hands healing? Why aren't His words teaching?" I pray I (we) will not wait for some major discovery to be about the Lords business but that I would be a good disciple of my Teacher and not only seek to know what He knows but to BE more like He IS. May it be so.
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    Posted On: 07/02/06 07:48:10 PMAge 55, TX
    Why are you afraid to know? Did not we all read in the Bible Seek and you shall find? Was HE talking about your lost socks, car keys or ?????????????? No, i believe HE was talking about the truth. The truth about God and HIS teachings. Now, go and seek and you will find. Do not be afraid any longer. HE won't bite. stephen
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    Posted On: 06/26/06 03:11:42 AMAge 46, GA
    If you have such faith in GOD, then why is it that you are scared to even spell GOD? What kind of faith is that? This is my question. It's like saying, "I believe in GOD, but I don't believe what He says." It is completely contradictory 'hot air'.
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      Posted On: 06/27/06 01:56:07 AMAge 38, WA
      I find myself wondering if I should respond to this particular reply, but it really bothered me that there was such pettiness in it. I'm not the person who wrote the feedback, who chose to show respect and reverence to our Lord by spelling G-d, but I know others who do show respect in this fashion. Why is this being critized when the feedback is regarding an article concerning the finding of Noah's Ark? If you are a christian and responded this way...shame on you for your pettiness. If you aren't then please respect and TOLERATE
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        Posted On: 07/01/06 01:42:59 PMAge 72, CA
        The fist thing I noticed was that the writer did not spell God out. The first thing I thought about was when Christ was replaced in Christmas with an X and thus people started writing Xmas. I must be stupid but it seems that someone as religious as the writer seemed to be and had that much to say would have had time to put one other letter in a word. What kind of respect is being shown by not spelling it out. What am I missing.
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        1. Writing G-d for God
          Posted On: 07/02/06 04:10:57 PMAge 54, UK
          "God" is usually spelled "G-d" by observant Jews for the same reason that they never speak the name of God (YHWH): out of reverence and a fear of breaking the commandment not to take God's name in vain. Some Christians appear to have adopted it too. Another circumlocution used is to say "the Name" (haShem in Hebrew) instead of pronouncing YHWH or "God". This custom is of such long standing that the proper pronunciation of YHWH has now been forgotten. It was clearly in place by the time the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT) was written in the 3rd century BC, since that translation uses "Kurios" (Lord) for YHWH, as does the NT. The name Jehovah, as it is written in the King James bible, is the result of combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels of the word "Adonai" (the Lord), to remind a reader to say "Adonai" whenever he encountered "YHWH". This policy is actually followed by many English bibles, which write "the LORD" (using capital letters) whenever YHWH appears in Hebrew (something like 6000 times)
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          1. Reply from original poster
            Posted On: 07/08/06 11:58:39 PMAge 35, TX
            To: Age 54, UK Matthew 5:9... thank you. You are 100% correct... it is a circumlocution I have adopted to show reverence to G-d. Scripture speaks of false "gods" (lower-case "g"). Not a problem there because that is not in reference to the one, true G-d. To: Age 72, CA The 3rd commandment tells us not to make common use of His Name. He is holy and His Name is holy and holy ones praise Him every day, forever, for He is G-d, the great and holy King. As such, I attempt to honor Him in such ways that are within my capacity. I also hate when I see "Xmas". It is "CHRISTmas"... call it what it is! :) To: Age 38, WA John 13:35... thank you for your kindness and understanding. Blessing upon you and all that is yours. To: Age 46, GA Strong's Number: 3374 Job 28:28, Psalm 111:10, Proverbs 1:7, Proverbs 9:10, Proverbs 15:33, Isaiah 11:2 (speaking of Jesus), Isaiah 33:6, Micah 6:9 HE is G-d and I am not... I have great reverence for that. The Hebrew word is yir'ah. To: Age 55, TX I'm not sure if your questions were related to my post or not. "Why are you afraid to know?" I'm not afraid to know. My post was meant more to share some introspection I had after reading the article and to offer words of exhortation to NOT wait for some major discovery but to "choose this day whom you will serve". Peace and blessings to all!
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/19/06 07:44:05 AM Age 32, NJ
Though this is a small point, I think that those of us who study the Bible should not continue to perpetuate the common misconception that there were 2 of EVERY animal on the ark. A simple read of the Scripture reveals that: Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female. Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. There were SEVEN each of every clean beast. There were two each of the unclean animals. It's a small point, but I'm convicted that we should render the account accurately. This is a glorious find. I was thrilled to hear that Bob Cornuke had found the ark. I knew of his search and was convinced from his evidence that the ark would be found in Iran.
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    Posted On: 06/19/06 09:30:22 PMAge 49, FL
    Praise the Lord! If this truely is the Ark of Noah, what amazing questions will be answered and truth will be revealed. My mind races at the things that can come from this discovery,Good and Bad. And of course how there has to be perfect timing in everything God does, Sooooo I wonder what else is getting ready to break loose. Maybe the Eastern Sky splitting and Jesus coming to get HIS BRIDE! Maranatha, come quickly Lord, Jesus.
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/18/06 02:54:50 PM Age 85, CA
1. The Iranians believe that the Garden of Eden is to be found within northwestern Iran. 2. Petrified forests have been found which indicate that petrification occurred rapidly, rather than over millions of years. 3. While I was the Head Geologist for the Department of Public Works, City of Los Angeles, I observed evidence of volcanic flow over marine life living on marine sands, in the Hollywood Hills. 4.As a practicing geological scientist I caution reservation concerning the application of a locally witnessed catastrophic event in the Bible as being applicable throughout the world. The Flood was a part of a catastrophic event that included volcanic eruptions and the killing of life on the planet by various means. The vessel found relates as much to vulcanism as to flooding. 5. Geochronology as studied in the universities is a waste of time. Evolution is based on fraudulent geologic time which makes evolution fraudulent. The universe need not be billions of years old. William Waisgerber.
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  1. Re: Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
    Posted On: 06/21/06 08:19:21 AMAge 49, FL
    Hmmn. Any time you claim incredible evidence you must submit that for evaluation and that means peer review. What you have presented is raw data. Analysis must begin. Raw data is good by the way. This does not say that it could not be.... However, I have a geology minor and I know about extruded basalt (including the Giant's Steps in Ireland and The Devil's Tower in the US and other examples). I also know from Paleontology that it is possible to have sea-shells and other evidences of sea life on mountain tops, (due to geological up-lift from massive earthquake or volcanic eruption or from supervolcano eruptions)I have been in Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado and I have seen fossilized fish in the rocks as well there. However, this does not exclude the possibility... For example, the supervolcano at Toba in Sumatra (the caldera is at least 45 miles long by 30 wide) went off about 74-77,000 years ago. There is evidence that only a few places on Earth could have sustained human life after that and that the human population was reduced to about 2,000 - 5, 000 people, a reduction of 10,000 to 1, at least. There is even evidence that in Central Turkey there is a walled valley from which flows four rivers (two go up to the black sea and two go south, the south bound become the Tigris and the Eurphrates), the valley is dry and arid now but shows evidence that even after Toba blew it remained fertile and comfortable. Also, for example: There is evidence that the Black Sea Fooded at the end of the Ice Age about 10,000 years ago via the Bosperus Straits having been a huge levy of ice and rock crumbling, so that a comfortable civilization vanished in days by the assault, flooded by salt water. The bottom water of the Black Sea is very cold,fresh and anerobic by the way, there are preserved shorelines and outlines villages and cities. We know so little of history because civilization has fallen and risen and fallen again. The very oldest written records came from oral-traditions which are memories of memories...
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      Posted On: 07/02/06 07:56:46 PMAge 55, TX
      Yet none of what you state has any attachment to the find at hand. Many things many miles away, many years different. It seems that with one sweeping hand you have the interest of debunking the find as even possible. Not everything is always the same. As an example: of all the men that walked on this earth (billions) , only one died for our sins. This is not common to all of or even a sliver of one percent is it. So just because something was or was not somewhere else is not a reason to weigh for or against something else. Any experience on one part of the world does not set standards or controls for another part. This is where science fails. It takes one item and applies it to all others till proven wrong, where in fact the one item it now uses as the bench mark was at one time not a fact or proven and quite possibly refuted by sicence. stephen
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/18/06 05:50:57 AM Age 60, IN
The interview on Fox News Channel was great. Keep us informed of additional interviews and news reports. I have followed Bob Cornuke's adventures ever since I heard him speak at a Worldview Weekend a few years ago. The "Mountain of Fire: Search for the True Mt. Sinai" video is a must see.
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/17/06 10:43:08 PM Age 35, TX
Regardless of peoples' feelings for or against it, this find is truly exceptional. Hand-hewn timbers of equal sizes and proportions, 90' degree cuts, all pieces petrified and unexplainably black in color, all formed together in a massive formation hanging out of a mountain-side, 13,000 ft. up, sea life found inside one of the pieces of wood, fossilized sea shells all around the site, broken pottery and other vessels higher up (15,000 ft.) and signs of a possible worship site. Res ipsa loquitor -- the thing speaks for itself. Let the "scientific" commnunity wiggle around this one.
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/17/06 08:50:55 AM Age 49, NY
Everyone certainly needs to be careful about these claims, but with reasonable confidence the scientific community shouldn't be able to refute the find as something insignificant. If scientific naturalist commnity overlooks this they are blind, and deserve to be told so. This is data to be reckoned with.
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/17/06 08:25:21 AM Age 52, VA
After a year filled with gnostic nonsense from the Gospel of Judas and the mega-money making DaVinci Code, it'll will be interesting to see how the media spins the discovery of petrified hand-hewn timbers with 90 degree cuts. Good thing Noah's Ark didn't land on public property in the United States -- the ACLU would sue for it's removal...and probably win! Congratulations to Bob Cornuke and his search team for making the greatest archealogical discovery...ever!
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    Posted On: 06/19/06 04:06:25 PMAge 63, NY
    I very much want to believe that Noah's Ark has been found, but am not scientifically qualified to state that it is, nor definitely convinced that it is. A book, article, or full-length film showing prognoses from unbiased professionals who have seen all of the evidence, might help me to determine whether it is real or not. One of my great dreams is to see and maybe step into and walk around, the Ark of Noah. We shall see if this is what it is purported to be.
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      Posted On: 06/21/06 11:59:54 AMAge 56, AR
      To one response, this isn't like the shroud of Turin. The flood really did happen. I agree that we don't need validation from God to believe he's real, but new Christians and unbelievers do. It also breaks up the monotony of this life. Hurry up, Lord, come get us!! Brenda
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      1. Amen
        Posted On: 06/30/06 07:46:38 AMAge 40, TX
        Amen to this! The moment God give us absolute proof of his existence and power, He will have undermined His plan for the world - free will. Remember, we are talking about the proof of a Biblical fact, but remember the other readings of the Bible: In the last days, there will be false prophets. Darwin affirmed the existence of God in the "Ascent of Man". It is Man that has dismissed God in Darwin's name. I would portend that Charles Darwin is rolling in his grave, not because of the potential find of the Ark, but because his work has been used by Satan to deceive, resulting in separation from God and eventually, damnation.
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Re: Noahs Ark? For Real
Posted On: 06/17/06 08:15:39 AM Age 31, FL
Has the search for Noah's ark finally come to an end? It would certainly be God's perfect timing to resurrect such a historical and well known object of faith, a living testimony to the world to biblical accuracy and truth. During a time when so many are doing what seems right in their own eyes and good is called evil and evil is called good.....it appears that the battle is heating up and God is seeking out his lost children to come home now. I pray that the God given technology and information age we have today will get the word out to as many people as possible and they would repent and put their trust in JESUS, who like the Ark SAVES those who rest in HIM
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