Re: Emergent Church Attacking The Atonement
| Posted On: 05/11/06 09:29:12 AM |
Age 49, NM |
"What can wash away our sin? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus! What can make us whole again? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus! Oh precious is the flow that washes white as snow! No other fount I know, nothing but the Blood of Jesus"! Amen and Amen
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Re: Emergent Church Attacking The Atonement
| Posted On: 05/10/06 12:40:50 PM |
Age 54, TX |
Why would you adorn these apostates with the title Emergent "Church"????? There is nothing about them that resembles the church. I do see a resemblance to those that Paul warned us about in I & II Timothy chapters 3; the false teachers and prophets that people (having itching ears and not willing to endure sound doctrine) would run after in the last days.
McClaren and his co-apostates should be exposed loudly! Find a more appropriate title! The Apostate Church leaders maybe??
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Re: Emergent Church Attacking The Atonement
| Posted On: 05/10/06 01:33:02 AM |
Age 57, VA |
I am so alarmed at all of this. I just listened AGAIN to Hansen's radio talk with Mc Laren. You can listen to or read it at www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com. It is absolutely heartbreaking that a Christian could spout out such filth as if it was light. The show host(Hansen) even admitted that he hardly knew what he believed about the bible anymore and obviously was manifesting signs of the falling away. Yet to hear them both talk they were finally tapping into the heart of God, who could not possibly have intended Jesus life to be anymore an example of sacrifice than someone LIKE Ghandi. Heaven help us and let those who have ears to hear, hear what the Holy Spirit is saying!
Here is an exerpt:
Hansen: Now, I agree with you and I am starting to come to an understanding of the cross. And I have a hunch that its probably pretty similar to your understanding of the cross and the kingdom. But one of the places we might differI dont even want to say that because I am just really exploring right nowis, werent there people before Jesus and since Jesus, some inspired by Him, some Christian, some martyrs, and wasnt God, in a sense, demonstrating self sacrificial love since the beginning of time? Since God created beings other than Himself? So, I guess the reason I ask that question is two-fold. One, it has to do with this question of world religions and Christian exclusivism. Some might say, well yes, we also believe that at the heart and center of God and of reality is self-sacrificial love. BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT JESUS WAS THE ONLY ONE TO TEACH ABOUT THAT AND TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IN HIS LIFE. Now, a morewhats the word to use?a more conservative Christian, whateversomeone who believes in the literal ontological divinity of Christ would have an argument and say, well yes, but this was, this was more central because it was actually God, literally, demonstrating that kind of love. However, someone, a more liberal Christian, who might think that Jesus was perfectly imaging Gods love, or totally inspired by Gods love but not literally GodTo be honest, thats the direction I am leaning more myself these days. We would have a hard time saying what makes Jesus life and example and living love to the death more unique than any other.
McLaren: RIGHT. If I understand what youre saying. These are important subjects. I understand youre saying: Look, we could look at Ghandis live as an example of self sacrificial love or Martin Luther King Juniors life. There would be a lot of people we could look at. AND SO WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO JUST TALK ABOUT JESUS AS ONE AMONG MANY, RATHER THAN LIFT HIM UP AS SOME EXTRADINARY EXAMPLE? Because by doing that we create, we perpetuate this Christian elitism and exclusivism, et cetera, et cetera. Is that what youre saying?
Hansen: Bingo! Yeah, thats really right on.
As you read this remember that Mc Laren agreed with what Hansen was saying when he
responded to Hansen's ideas with "Right". Listen or read for yourself and see how the "message of the cross is foolishness to these two men." Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing!
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