The Emergent Church
| Posted On: 05/08/08 02:15:20 PM |
Age 46, AL |
The Emergent Church is just the next logical step in the evolution of Sola Scriptura.
Martin Luther opened the door for Satan, now look at what we have now and there is not a bloody thing anyone on this earth can do about it. As scripture says: Satan is the God of this world. ________
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. _________
Did you know that the Roman Empire fell in 476 and then there was 7 years of tribulation after the fall and then Jesus ruled with an Iron Rod thru his Church for 1000 years and then at the end of 1000 years in 1483 Martin Luther was born. Satan was let loose for a time? ________
We are all just waiting for the Glorious Appearance now.
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- The Emergent Church
| Posted On: 05/16/08 09:25:02 PM | | Age 40, AZ |
Let me see if I understand what you're saying: the Millennium ended in 1483, and the release of Satan coincided with the birth of Luther? The logical conclusion of you're argument then is that ANYONE who holds to the authority of Scripture is being deceived, and is therefore apostate. Excuse me, but when exactly did God place you on the throne instead of him?
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/13/07 01:42:07 PM |
Age 43, IN |
Everyone is entitled to speak what they believe to be truth. In the end, there is only one truth and those who claim to speak it will be called forth and judged for their acts on earth. If in error, I would not want to be in their shoes.
I don't fully understand why the author gets so worked up about something as stupid as a COEXIST headband and some guy playing to his audience as an entertainer and not an evangelist. I don't think anyone would confuse Bono with Billy Graham.
If we're going to have any reasonable chance at reaching Muslims for Christ, then we're going to have to co-exist with them. I'd have thought fundamentalist Christians would have learned a lesson about that from The Crusades. Certainly going over there and trying to wipe them out isn't going to work. A more tactful approach is needed, the same approach Christ used with the woman at the well, the tax collector, and other wayward souls He encountered during His ministry.
If you believe guys like Bill Hybels have decided to drop the Bible in favor of pop culture, then you really haven't spent much time with them. Otherwise you would realize that everything they do is rooted in Biblical truth and presented in a manner that people can grasp and understand. Is that not what Christ did through His use of parables? He didn't weigh people down with a lot of quotes from Mosaic Law. Instead, Christ used stories and examples that His listeners could relate to easily and make the connection between His teachings and their lives. That is what it means to be culturally relevant.
This whole notion of "the Emerging Church" is nothing more than a slick scare tactic created by those who seem to delight in mixing elements of OT Law (legalisms) with Christ's Gospel of Grace. Created by those who love to impose rules that are nowhere to be found in New Testament Scripture. If you need rules, fine. But don't judge those believers who choose not to follow your rules. Created by those who wouldn't recognize grace if it hit them in the face. Paul took Peter to task over his mixing of grace and law. This public website needs to taken to task over it as well.
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- JESUS PREACHED THE LAW TO THE RICH AND MERCY TO THE POOR
| Posted On: 05/09/08 10:27:51 AM | | Age 64, OH |
You say, Jesus did not preach the law. Have you ever read the sermon on the mount. Here is a little part of that sermon: Luke 6: 24"But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.-- Lou
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- Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 05/08/08 09:34:44 AM | | Age 44, NH |
What Brannon is reporting is clear. Brannon is not saying that he wants to go to war, or that people do not have a right to believe in what they want. Brannon is simply pointing out that Christians must not give in to the unitarian "all roads lead to heaven" nonsense. Jesus Christ was clear in his teaching that He is the way, the truth and the life! Emergent liberals are simply warmed over 18th century liberals. Bono may do good work, and that is fine but he is a globalist, and to say that we coexist in a "we are the world" utopia is not going to happen. The bible is clear that Jesus did not come to bring world peace under all religion. He has come with the sword of His Word and will sepperate the believer from the unbeliever. Christians must always treat all people with love however we must NEVER COMPROMISE the foundational truths of the Word of God for the sake of "unity".
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 08/08/06 12:56:07 PM |
Age 24, IL |
Bono is a believer in Jesus Christ and that He was God. His comments have to do with peace and oneness in the sense that all religions and ideas, especially these three religions, can in fact coexist, for they stem from a similar central idea...even if they didn't, we can all as people coexist. Bono doesn't feel he has to declare what he personally beleives is right in order to accept that others have different ideas and that we can all be peaceful about that difference if we choose to be. The only danger I see comes from people like this columnist who feel peace and oneness is means thinking all roads lead to God. It is the inability to live with eachothers' differences that leads to the violence Bono is protesting. I've learned more about God and Christ from listening to U2 than I have listening to most pastors these days.
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- This begs the questions...
| Posted On: 06/09/08 04:15:10 PM | | Age 29, MD |
Why then did he repeat the "mantra" and basically say that all three of the religions are true? And where did you get your information?
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/02/06 02:01:20 AM |
Age 21, MN |
This is my second feedback, i'm sorry. I happen to own the DVD of U2's Vertigo tour that includes the "coexist" comments by Bono. I just got done watching the part in question. Bono does not say "all true". He clearly says "Jesus, Jew, Muhammed, it's true...all sons of Abraham". You can't argue with that, read the Bible, Jesus was Jewish and the Jewish people descended from Abraham through his son Isaac, and then Through Isaac's son Jacob. Muhammed is said to be of the line of Ismail, Abraham's son who was born to Abraham's servant Hagar. Bono makes his statements during the song "Sunday Bloody Sunday" which was written in regards to the violence in Ireland, fights that were being fought over religion. It is a call to love even our enemy, as Jesus instructs. Lets try to love, and quit being so quick to jump to conclusions and judge people, ie. the Emergant Church. Whether the emergant church is right or wrong lets take to heart what Jesus says in Matthew 7:1-6.
Mark Bjornrud
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/02/06 01:06:46 AM |
Age 21, MN |
So much hate, where is the love. You lump together so many people due to your assumption of the motives of one man. There is such a vendetta against the Emergant Church, do you seek out ways to bash your brothers and sisters in Christ. Even if the EC is the enemy, Jesus told us to love our enemies, i feel no love here. My view of what Bono is attempting to get across through the co-exist slogan is simply a message of love, not universalness. Muslims, Jews, and Christians, we are all on this planet together, we need to learn to love one another, as Jesus has commanded. I think he's on to something, but we as Christians are apparently far from being able to love Jews and Muslims, since we can't even find love for eachother. This, and many other articles i have seen on this site, prove that with the constant and ridiculous attacks on the EC. It saddens me.
Mark Bjornrud
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- What's love got to do with it?
| Posted On: 05/14/08 08:27:43 AM | | Age 47, MO |
Mark: My appologies to Tina Turner, but you want to FEEL the love? Is that what Jesus was feeling while he was being beat to a bloody pulp? Is the love what he was exclaiming when He said: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?", Is the feeling of love what drove God to destroy S&G?, Was God feeling the love when He called Peter a Satan? Mark, I fear your theology is not based upon the gospel truth but upon a feeling of what you think God is. God is not love as you understand love to be. God is love as HIS holiness and HIS rightousness dictates. John
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- Maybe you could use a lesson in Love
| Posted On: 05/08/08 04:25:10 PM | | Age 31, IA |
Disagreeing and pointing out where one is mistaken is not hate.
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/01/06 09:28:18 PM |
Age 41, MN |
Thank you so much for educating us as parents so we can accurately instruct our teens who have grown up with blind trust of our own church and Christians in general. While we want the deep love for them to continue, I see the strong need now to train them to have BIBLICAL discernment. Hearing what is taking place at our Evangelical leadership meetings/breakfast etc. is most concerning. Doesn't Bono's goal of "coexist" match the call of the King of Jordan at the same National Prayer Breakfast for unity among moderate Jews, Christians, and Muslims to face down "extremism" which was enthusiasticly received by over 2000 of our Evangelical leaders? And this sure matches Rick Warren's quote published on Jan 8th in the Philadelphia Inquirer stating that fundamentalism will be one of the big enemies of the 21st century-Muslim,Christian, Jewish and secular fundamentalism which he said are all motivated by fear. This attitude against God-fearing, Bible believing brothers and sisters in Christ is proof of where they stand. I have been fooled by these leaders in the past, but will use much more discernment in the future. Thanks again for your research.
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 02/28/06 03:11:55 PM |
Age 38, PA |
Mr. Howse,
Although we would agree that vigilance against eresy is a good and commanded mission, your lumping of all the EC and "the leaders" into one basket is false, misleading and in direct conflict with bearing false witness against another person. EC is just a catch-phrase, not an organization that encompasses all the emergent churches. By definition and practice, much of the emergent churches are not under the authority of the EC leadership team. They are not monolithic and much of them are more true to the King than much of evangelicalism.
Your pointing out the faults of the many and using them to paint the whole is repugnant to the teachings of Jesus, Paul, Peter as well as others. Truth w/o love is like a gong remember...? We are in agreement on pointing out error Mr. Howse, where we differ is on whether or not Jesus condones the besmirching of the innocent because of our ignorance or indifference.
Jim Ricker
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Bono and U2 have become a "Smoke" and Mirror show
| Posted On: 02/28/06 11:15:11 AM |
Age 51, VA |
Brannon;
Thanks so much for exposing this issue. While I was very well aware that Bono had become a rather self serving person in the name of humanism, I did not know that he had crossed this line.
The only thoughts that I can raise are included in Matthew 7:13-14 and John 8:42. It certainly seems to me that Bono does not really know the Son. Therefore, I question his delivery, methods and goals in light of the knowledge he is espousing regarding his god.
I now think Bono and I do not share the same God.
Thanks again.
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- Re: Bono and U2 have become a
| Posted On: 03/28/06 05:09:59 PM | | Age 57, IL |
I agree that according to the guidelines of Scripture, a believer would have to question whether Bono is a believer in Jesus Christ. Christians are not being unloving or judgmental in making such observations. If so accused, the Lord would also be included in the accusation as He taught us to love our enemies--but not to excuse them of their unbelief. He certainly will not on the day of judgment [Revelation 20:11-15]. To ignore unbelief is not to love them--it is to enable them right into eternal damnation.
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Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 02/28/06 10:18:16 AM |
Age 71, CA |
Thanks for the article - chilling , but exciting. The apostate church of the end times is rising before our eyes. Tellling us we must be about our Father's business more ie. evangelize; we may be the generation that sees Jesus return.
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- Re: Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/05/06 08:50:37 AM | | Age 35, IL |
I'm confused...if the One World Church is one of the harbingers of the apocalypse, what are you worried about? Aren't you one of the ones going up to live with Jesus? Leave the judgment to God...worry about your own souls.
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- Re: Re: Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/06/06 11:10:21 AM | | Age 28, KS |
This statement is a joke, right? The Bible is more then just pick and choose scriptures - it all goes hand and hand. We need to get the TRUTH out there and warn Christians not to be deceived ... seperation is Biblical. Agape love is not mushy 'tolerant' love, get your Bibles out and do some research on your own instead of listening to the WCC and the like. All roads do not lead to God, and all "christians" are not true to Biblical teachings. Love the Truth.
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- Re: Re: Re: Re: Bono, Universalism, and the Emerging Church?
| Posted On: 03/28/06 05:22:26 PM | | Age 57, IL |
I heartily agree. When will Christians quit letting the world define "love" and "judgment"? In Matthew 7, most so-called Christians go no futher than verse 1: "Do not judge..." Read on. "You hypocrite, FIRST take the plank out of your own eye, and THEN you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." [Matthew 7:5] The Lord is telling us HOW to judge--not self-righteously, but after making sure we are not guilty of the same sin. If He were giving us a blanket command not to judge in any circumstance, than why tell us NOT to give "dogs" what is sacred or throw our pearls to "pigs." [vs. 6] Dogs and pigs were the most unclean of the animals to a Jew--certainly the Lord was making a judgment in classifying certain people as "dogs" and "pigs" in giving that instruction--and He still "loved" everyone.
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