You don't get it, Ray
| Posted On: 03/01/09 10:28:29 PM |
Age 42, TX |
You see, Ray, when Dawkins calls you an ignorant fool, he is not insulting you. He is merely stating a fact. Let's say Dawkins has a bowl of chocolate ice cream in front of him, and he says, "This ice cream is chocolate." Is he insulting the ice cream? Is he calling it a name? No. He is merely stating an observable fact about the nature of the ice cream. Likewise, when he points out that you, Ray, are an ignorant fool, he is merely stating an observable fact about the nature of Ray Comfort.
Dawkins has already humiliated you here, Raytard. Best slink on home, before you provide us with any more laughs at your expense.
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Fact-checking your article
| Posted On: 02/26/09 02:58:20 PM |
Age 34, VA |
"His book, You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence but You Can't Make Him Think, rocketed up the Amazon.com rankings on its first day of release, moving from No. 69,572 to No. 38 in 24 hours, and was the # 1 book in the categories of religion and atheism on "Darwin Day," even bumping out Richard Dawkin's, The God Delusion."
Amazon ranking doesn't mean as much as what you think it does. Going from 69,572 to 38 simply means the book sold 50-100 copies. To be number 1 in the religion and atheism category simply means that it sold about 1000 copies. Frankly, that's nothing compared to the 150,000 books Amazon sells daily.
If Ray Comfort understood evolution AT ALL, he would not be debating it. This is a publicity stunt, nothing more, nothing less.
I could debate Comfort and more than adequately answer every single argument, provided we take the time to teach him some basic bio-chemistry, geology, and logic first.
Calling Comfort ignorant is accurate, calling him a fool is, admittedly a personal attack. Satisfying, but a personal attack nonetheless.
Of course, I'm really only writing this for my own benefit, since I sincerely doubt this will get through moderation.
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I understand Ray Comforts position to debate this man however,
| Posted On: 02/26/09 12:51:18 PM |
Age 43, AL |
Richard Dawkins is as hateful and ignorant as they come. Why have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. You won't change his little mind. You may reach some in the audience however, so that's a good enough reason to debate. I am just not sure with his hateful attitude you could get a word to preach the Gospel. I feel sorry for this man, or any man for that matter that hates God as much as some of these athiests do. It is very sad, no matter how hateful or arrogant they are. If being an atheist is so wonderful, why are they so miserable? Maybe deep down the Holy Spirit is speaking to their hearts and they know what is in their future. I will pray that he may repent and preach the Gospel with Ray someday.
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- Wow...how unaware you are!
| Posted On: 03/04/09 08:37:15 AM | | Age 32, ENGLAND |
"Richard Dawkins is as hateful and ignorant as they come."
Hateful when he lectures children about the wonders of science for free? Hatful when he adresses the idiocy of racism by revealing that we are all related by biology and speciation? Ignorant of your desert based 'we are all wretched' slavish pathetic doctrines? No, but inwilling to believe it without sufficient EVIDENCE. Ignorant of science? No. He can demonstrate 100 times more about evolution than Ray can preach about his god.
"Why have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. You won't change his little mind."
Hmmm, 'unarmed'? Unshackled by a closed mind i would say. Most atheists who know what the word means will tell you their disbelief in god comes from the lack of evidence. Think of the reasons you are not a Muslim and you will get close to how we feel about all theism. If (independant, testable,verifiable!) evidence is presented then we ahall change our minds accorsdingly - belief should be constantly based on what you presently 'know'. You decide to suspend this process for religion, atheists do not. Who has the unchangeable mind?
"You may reach some in the audience however, so that's a good enough reason to debate."
We agree.
"I am just not sure with his hateful attitude you could get a word to preach the Gospel."
The 'gospel' has to be agreed to be truthful between 2 debaters before it can be used in debate...once again think of Islam and the Koran and the reasons you do not believe in it and try, just for a second, to use the same rationale on your own disgusting book. (Disrespectful kids stoned to death? Nice!)
"I feel sorry for this man, or any man for that matter that hates God as much as some of these athiests do. It is very sad, no matter how hateful or arrogant they are."
It seems you are also ignorant. You are an atheist with respect to Zeus. Does this mean you 'hate' him? Of course not, the question is nonsensical. How can we hate someone we do not believe in? We CAN, however, hate the bible and religion and anything else we wish to hate (and we do so as individuals, not as atheists).
"If being an atheist is so wonderful, why are they so miserable? Maybe deep down the Holy Spirit is speaking to their hearts and they know what is in their future. I will pray that he may repent and preach the Gospel with Ray someday."
So much to say about your ignorance. It is the christians around me I hear saying that humans are wretched and in need of salvation, they say this even of their innocent children purely because they commited the crime of being born. I know of no miserable atheists and i myself will continue to enjoy my guilt free dogmaless undoctrined life to the full doing good because i want to and not thru some irrational fear of punishment in an eternal afterlife i do not care for. Or because of the potential reward in an equally tedious and yet strangely undefined 'heaven'. My life is important BECAUSE it is finite. The rest of your sentence is nonsensical, my heart is an organ that pumps blood through my body...read a book.
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- YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID
| Posted On: 03/07/09 07:50:53 AM | | Age 65, OH |
You say, "You are an atheist with respect to Zeus. Does this mean you 'hate' him?" This is just an example of your invalid arguments. Do you really believe that Zeus is real. If you do I can not take you serious. If you do not, then your statement is invalid, for you can not hate something that does not exist. The difference is this fact that no man can change. The Lord Jesus is real and He did create the universe and everything in it. Lou Newton
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- um...thats my point!!
| Posted On: 03/09/09 04:13:26 AM | | Age 32, ENGLAND |
"You say, "You are an atheist with respect to Zeus. Does this mean you 'hate' him?" This is just an example of your invalid arguments. Do you really believe that Zeus is real. If you do I can not take you serious. If you do not, then your statement is invalid, for you can not hate something that does not exist."
Wow...how to completley take my quote out of context and then back it up!! The writer said that "blah blah blah... hates God as much as some of these athiests do...blah". My point was (and you just agreed with me:"you can not hate something that does not exist") that this person is saying that atheists hate god...which as you say is nonsensical. Hence my point that this person is probably atheistic with respect to Zeus or any other god I could mantion...but for me to ask if this person HATES those gods is equally ridiculous.
"The difference is this fact that no man can change. The Lord Jesus is real and He did create the universe and everything in it. Lou Newton."
Pixies live in my window box and make my flowers grow with magical fairy dust.
That which can be asserted without evidence can be disregarded without evidence. In other words...prove it.
Well done to your god for creating *insert horrible disease or mental illness here*...go and worship him.
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Dawkins doesn't...
| Posted On: 02/26/09 12:48:25 PM |
Age 68, TX |
...Believe' in aliens. He just broached a remote hypothetical possibility.
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What is an ignorant fool?
| Posted On: 02/26/09 11:52:36 AM |
Age 58, CANADA |
Anyone who does a parody is "playing the fool". Ray admits to this.
Anyone who doesn't understand evolution is ignorant of it (means "doesn't understand").
This describes Ray.
I can't imagine anyone having an intelligent debate about evolution with Ray Comfort, the "Banana Man". Dawkins gets along great with nice people, whether they are religious or not, but he debates them - politely, but fearlessly. Some people who cling to superstition feel their views should not be challenged. I think they feel this because they themselves are afraid to challenge them, because they are not actually ideas, but are simply empty beliefs. It must be scary to live like that.
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Not sure where to begin . . .
| Posted On: 02/26/09 09:15:01 AM |
Age 30, KS |
First, Dawkins *doesn't* believe life on earth came from outer space. ID advocates posit that as a possibility, and in the movie Expelled, Dawkins takes up the meme and gives the most likely such scenario he can think of. You can read his (admittedly snarky) explanation at http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins.
Second, the banana does not naturally grow as one buys it in the store. Wild bananas are full of large seeds. Only through cross cultivation do we get seedless bananas. Thus, they are not designed by God, but by material causes through selection (though it is artificial selection, not natural selection).
Third, Dawkins has indeed published in peer reviewed science journals. You can see his list of publications at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_publications_by_Richard_Dawkins. And if having no peer reviewed publications disqualifies one from expertise on evolution, where does that leave Ray Comfort?
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2000 years
| Posted On: 02/26/09 08:00:30 AM |
Age 54, OH |
For 2000 years men have worshipped Jesus. A hundred years from now, men will still be worshipping Jesus, and people will not even remember who Dawkins was.
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- I agree...
| Posted On: 03/04/09 09:36:49 AM | | Age 32, ENGLAND |
...thats a sad vision indeed.
Although Dawkins did write more than one book, let it be well known to many that he existed and managed to avoid sending children to hell....so apples an oranges really :)
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Ivory Tower?
| Posted On: 02/26/09 07:09:02 AM |
Age 43, PA |
Putting aside the misleading nature of this article, it seems rather silly to state that perhaps Dawkins will come out of his "ivory tower" and will perhaps "engage Ray Comfort in a serious discussion."
With Comfort, there really is no such thing as a serious discussion. When someone (Comfort) is not bound to tell the truth, acknowledge facts, or refrain from making things up, it's practically impossible to engage them in a serious conversation, much less a debate. Comfort has continually shown that he has no qualms about lying, ignoring facts, and making things up. He does it constantly.
So Dawkins would be wasting his time to engage in a debate with Comfort, in the same way his time would be wasted debating astrologists, unicorn-believers, and flat-earthers... perhaps more-so, since Comfort seems to be willing to distort reality to any degree necessary to support his position.
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They are all the same
| Posted On: 02/26/09 05:44:07 AM |
Age 46, KY |
My sister-in-law also claims to be an atheist. I am a Christian. We can't have a discussion about the matter without her insulting my belief in God and one time she threatened to charge me with harrassment if I continued to challenge her beliefs. The truth is that there is no evidence of any kind to back up their claims. Her lastest claim is that all life evolved from a rock. Just like the ape, if we evolved from rocks how come there are still rocks? She has no answer for this one. Both Christians and Atheists have to have faith in what they believe. We Christians have the Bible, historic accounts and our own experiences, Atheists have nothing. How can anyone examine the workings of the human body alone and not believe in God? Who is the more foolish, the man who builds on a firm foundation or one who builds on sand? Mr. Dawkins and all those like him are to be pitied and prayed for.
James Powell
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- You do not know what an atheist is...clearly.
| Posted On: 03/04/09 09:04:05 AM | | Age 32, ENGLAND |
"My sister-in-law also claims to be an atheist. I am a Christian."
So she only CLAIMS, but you ARE...well done for playing with words right from the beginning.
"We can't have a discussion about the matter without her insulting my belief in God"
There is potentially a lot to insult depending on what you believe ( i have never met 2 christians that believe the same thing). Do you believe the gospels are accurate? Do you believe them to be written (or inspired) by god? Do you worship god? If the answer to these 3 questions is yes then you believe an entity authored the phrase "He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death" and you worship that entity...whats not to offend??
"and one time she threatened to charge me with harrassment if I continued to challenge her beliefs."
What beliefs - look up atheism in the dictionary - it is a single point of belief (or disbelief) in any god...thats it...any other beliefs she has are secondary. Atheism is not the opposite of religious, it is the opposite of Theism. If you tell me you are a theist i can not (nor should i) presume to know ANY of your beliefs beyond your asserted belief in some kind of god or gods.
"The truth is that there is no evidence of any kind to back up their claims."
Read a book that challenges your already-held belief for goodness sakes. Do you have children? have they had their immunisations yet? Wow...EVOLUTIONARY SCIENCE AT WORK!!
"Her lastest claim is that all life evolved from a rock."
Then she too is ignorant and should also read a book...unless you are just using slanted, spiteful language again like you did at the beginning.
"Just like the ape, if we evolved from rocks how come there are still rocks? She has no answer for this one."
Haha awesome. You are ignorant about evolution aswell then!! "an ape"?? Go to the zoo and see your singular 'ape'! Ape's (plural!) are "a group of anthropoid primates characterized by long arms, a broad chest, and the absence of a tail, comprising the family Pongidae (great ape), which includes the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan, and the family Hylobatidae (lesser ape), which includes the gibbon and siamang".
Both we AND apes evolved from an earlier ancestral primate so your whole question is ridiculous and shows a severe lacking in not only knowledge but your ability to use a dictionary!! What next? The crocoduck?!
"Both Christians and Atheists have to have faith in what they believe."
Wrong...i am fairly sure you do not have 'faith' that fairies, pixies, zeus,etc dont exist. Just because YOU choose faith does not mean everyone else must be labelled so.
"We Christians have the Bible, historic accounts and our own experiences. Atheists have nothing."
I refer you to the answer I gave regarding atheism a few moments ago. Atheists have EVERYTHING you have apart from the belief in god. Thats because everything other than a belief in god IS NOT ATHEISM! Everyone has 'personal experiences' as well you know (both religious and otherwise). Muslims have personal experiences of allah, buddists of buddah etc ..do these discount your experience?? There are people in hospitals now how truly believe they are cleopatra! Historic accounts are HUGELY in dispute - again read a book, dont just regurgitate things other christians have told you. So that leaves teh bible...if that is all you have i feel truly sorry for you.
"How can anyone examine the workings of the human body alone and not believe in God?"
Hmmm, a quick flick through a list of midical conditions might put a reality lens on your rose coloured glasses. Only those who are not born with serious disability, mental illness or disease would ever utter such a pathetic comment. When you have altzheimers (which my grandad has and i hope you never get) at the age of 65 and cannot even pick your own reflection out of a mirror let alone your grandson out of a waiting room...remind me about gods great creation.
"Who is the more foolish, the man who builds on a firm foundation or one who builds on sand?"
Oh look, i can cut and paste from the bible too: "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones"
"Mr. Dawkins and all those like him are to be pitied and prayed for. James Powell"
you...are...mental.
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