by faith, not reason
| Posted On: 01/29/09 12:33:28 PM |
Age 37, CA |
Attempting to prove God's existence by reason is not only impossible - it's blasphemous. Reason certainly cannot prove God exists - only revelation, which leads to faith, can do that. Reason results in agnosticism. The first cause argument is ridiculous; if you cannot have creation without a creator, how can you have a creator without something or someone to create "Him"? The mother of God? But who created her? It goes on ad infinitum.
Jesus said "blessed are those who have not seen but believe." Logic does not prove God exists, and if you really have faith, you will stop trying to prove it and just live out His perfect example: BE LOVE.
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reasonable?
| Posted On: 01/19/09 11:28:54 AM |
Age 37, TX |
So then it would be reasonable to ask who or what created the creator and so on and so on ad infinitum.
Also, this just god--is to have apparently created these imperfect beings who reject him. He would have known this from the outset--as he is all knowing. So the whole universe he has created is nothing more than a game (to him) or a massive diorama or animation created by the cartoonist know as god. Is it reasonable to actually think that that is true?
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- Reasonable?
| Posted On: 02/26/09 01:24:41 PM | | Age 29, MD |
"So then it would be reasonable to ask who or what created the creator and so on and so on ad infinitum."
I suppose this could be a valid question, and the answer has been provided for us in scripture. God is eternal and has no creator :)
""You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."--Isa.43:10
"For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other."--Isa.45:18
"So the whole universe he has created is nothing more than a game (to him) or a massive diorama or animation created by the cartoonist know as god. Is it reasonable to actually think that that is true?"
No, which is why I wonder why you seem to believe that this false scenario that *you* have created is true in the first place. If you want to know what is true, read the Bible! And more than read it, *study* it! You just might be surprised at what you learn :)
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- BE A SEEKER INSTEAD OF THE JUDGE
| Posted On: 01/21/09 09:25:03 PM | | Age 65, OH |
If one thinks them self worthy to be the judge of all, then what you say might seem reasonable to them. But I am able to see that I can not even stop a puny little tornado let alone stop a star from exploding. Can you make your hair stop from falling out. Can you stop yourself from getting fat. Surly you must be able to stop yourself from getting sick. Can you cause yourself to live forever. You can not even do something really simple like numbering the hairs on your body. We can base our thinking on arrogance like you have; but I think it much more REASONABLE to try to be humble considering my condition and my abilities. When I humbled myself and bothered to ask God are you there and if you are would you reveal yourself to me. He did. What you do not know has absolutely no bearing on what I do know. I know that Jesus is real because He has revealed Himself to me. It is your choice; you can go on cursing the darkness OR you can humble yourself and ask God for a little light. The creation is created by definition and The Creator has no beginning or no end. Just because that is all beyond your reasoning has no bearing on the reality of it. You try to say anyone who believes there is a Creator is a fool, but it does not take much wisdom to see that you or I are not God, so why speak as though you are. So putting oneself in the position of the judge is a foolish thing to do. Lou Newton
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So, it comes down to...
| Posted On: 01/14/09 11:41:54 AM |
Age 30, MA |
So basically, your entire argument about God's "justice" and "holiness" comes down to a case of "Might Makes Right."
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- SHOULD I BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR CAR
| Posted On: 01/15/09 10:30:27 AM | | Age 65, OH |
I do not follow Jesus Christ because of His power but because of His total nature and the beauty of His holiness. But do you think I would have the right to take your children from you if I thought you were not raising them correctly. Or what if you bought a new car and did not take very good care of it, does that give me the right to take it from you. The car is yours to do as you please, is it not. If there is a Creator of this universe, does he not have the right to do as He pleases with it. Lou Newton
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