twilight concern
| Posted On: 12/09/08 06:20:01 AM |
Age 48, OH |
i have a 15 and 18 yr. girls. i need something they can read that shows them how real this is. they think that it is just a story and none is true. i don't just want to say no, i want them to choose for themselves to say no on their own.
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part 2 of 'glowing recomendation'
| Posted On: 12/09/08 05:40:18 AM |
Age 29, TX |
More from her review-
"Readers—and now moviegoers—are soaking in everything she's written, taking it to heart and wearing it, quite literally, on their sleeves. One Twilight T-shirt being sold (and which I saw at the movie) proclaims, "Forbidden Fruit Tastes the Best." And that's certainly one of the film's underlying themes."
If this is an underlying theme, why in the world would I want teens to "soak in everything...taking it to heart?"
Yes, it does say "But there's enough negative undercurrent even in this first outing (the books get darker as they progress, so presumably the movies will follow) to justify some pretty serious conversations afterwards for those families that decide to defer their better judgment—which would normally push vampire flicks out of bounds—and go ahead and go with the flow and see the show." But I still feel like this is recommending the BOOKS as well as the movie, and for those who NORMALLY wouldn't take their kids to see a vampire movie should still take them and later discuss the negative elements. Then it follows it up with "There's an important life lesson lurking in Bella's obstinance. But don't look for Twilight to unpack it for you. It's too dizzy from breathing in the heady fragrance of heedless and headstrong young love. "
Clearly, another recommendation for the books as well as pointing out again, as she does in the beginning, that the movie focuses strongly on a teen romance. Personally, I don't want my kids interested in the idea of 'young love.' We are created for love and 'the great romance' as Ted Dekker calls it. However, teenagers are not, in typical modern American society, ready for marriage. Thus, they are not ready for romance and to encourage it with movies such as this (vampires aside) is a very VERY bad idea.
But I'm not surprised that Focus on the Family would recommend a piece of popular teen culture. When I was a teen reading their new teen girl mag Brio, I was disappointed that they interviewed a soap star, and said she was a Christian. Everyone knows that soap operas are very depraved by their very nature, why would a 'born again Christian' choose to be a regular actress in one? or why would a Christian magazine promote this actress thereby promoting the day time soap opera? In the same light, why would they say such nice, promoting things about Twilight, despite all the negative things 'worth discussing with your kids?' I don't know, but it's a good question to ask Dr Dobson.
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a glowing recomendation...sort of
| Posted On: 12/09/08 05:20:38 AM |
Age 29, TX |
PART 1
They aren't just recommending the movie, they recommend the books also! She starts out to say that there's two types of people who will watch the movie. Those who haven't read the books see this as just a teen vampire romance, but those who have read the books " will observe the very same romance, but layer onto it the entire story arc that unfolds through the four Stephenie Meyer novels that have birthed this movie franchise.
That makes it difficult to write just a movie review about a movie that isn't just a movie, but rather part of tall tale that doesn't end at twilight, or even the dark of night. It goes beyond into the realm of the eternal—something not really hinted at onscreen ... yet. " She goes on to compare the books to the movie which she obviously has read...one doesn't have to read the Harry Potter books to review the movies but it seems that she is a true fan of Twilight.
Yes, she goes on to say what all the negatives in the film are... and that's good. But she starts out giving the movie a very good recommendation...I can't do that with a movie targeted to kids (yes, preteens will be seeing it also, they have it advertised in the children's section of my local library!!)
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FOTF does not recommend this film
| Posted On: 12/08/08 10:28:25 AM |
Age 51, MN |
I know it's not in your nature to be fair but it is mine - while FOTF always does put in a section if there are any positive themes whatsoever in the movie - it does not mean an endorsement. Here is how they conclude the review you are referring to://
'But there's enough negative undercurrent even in this first outing (the books get darker as they progress, so presumably the movies will follow) to justify some pretty serious conversations afterwards for those families that decide to defer their better judgment—which would normally push vampire flicks out of bounds—and go ahead and go with the flow and see the show. The positivity of Edward and Bella's abstinence needs to be tempered with a discussion about what's so very wrong with them "sleeping" together and him sneaking into her room. His resistance to turning her into a vamp must be contrasted with her desperate desire to become one. Her obvious love for her father needs to be stacked up next to her willingness to deceive him both when his life depends on it and when it just suits her romantic desires. //
There's an important life lesson lurking in Bella's obstinance. But don't look for Twilight to unpack it for you. It's too dizzy from breathing in the heady fragrance of heedless and headstrong young love.
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- It's not about "being fair"
| Posted On: 12/09/08 10:23:44 AM | | Age 50, TX |
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
(Eph 5:11)
"It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
" (Rom 14:321)
We can argue about semantics, but a positive review of the movie in any fashion is an implicit endorsement. FOTF has an even greater responsibility in this regard because of their leadership position in the Evangelical movement.
"For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed" (Is 9:16)
FOTH has erred greatly!!
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- Wrong
| Posted On: 12/09/08 08:06:06 AM | | Age 42, WI |
The film is trash, and should be labeled as such. It's that simple. Since when are occult themes acceptable for Christians? When is teen lust a great theme for Christians? When is vampirism a great theme for Christians? Focus failed to warn, but rather saw to discuss the relative merits of the movie. Shame on them.
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- How far we have fallen !
| Posted On: 12/09/08 08:02:19 AM | | Age 59, IN |
FOTF did not protest the movie. The write up didn't condemn the movie.
Teenagers and parents need to be warned to stay away.
It is like approving that it is ok for your daughter to fellowship with a sexual predator because he has some good qualities.
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- By not denouncing, FOTF is supporting
| Posted On: 12/09/08 07:43:04 AM | | Age 45, IN |
Dear Fair Natured,
I appreciate your wanting to defend FOTF, however simply stating that families who choose to see this movie against "their better judgment" should have some "pretty serious conversations afterwards" is hardly denouncing the film. Particularly when that statement is followed by "This isn't about me beating up Twilight for being about vampires, though. There are positives in it that bear repeating". This does not sound like a review that is warning Christians of the dangers of dabling in the occult and following peer pressure just because something has found popularity in the culture. FOTF really missed on this one.
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- Are you kidding?
| Posted On: 12/09/08 06:18:14 AM | | Age 45, TX |
I would like to respond to the person in Minnesota. The Bible calls things of the occult "an abomination" and called for the death penalty for anyone in it. You said the article was unfair - well, I guess God is unfair too, according to your logic. I was married to someone who had been into the occult and claimed to be a Christian (but wasn't)and it was a total nightmare. Christians need to stay away from anything occultic, as it is truly dangerous. And yes, Christians can suffer from oppression if they invite it by watching this kind of garbage. FOF should know better!
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May God Have Mercy
| Posted On: 12/08/08 07:54:07 AM |
Age 44, CO |
I haven't kept up with FOTF for a while, but I knew that they were losing touch. This, however, is far worse than I had imagined.
It all boils down to loss of God-centeredness. When our "Christianity" becomes self-serving, it loses all perspective. And a human-centered "Christianity" can have no positive impact on a human-centered world. It's just my brand of self-indulgence against yours. And who's to say mine is better?
Oh for a Christianity focused on loving and serving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, and letting this love inform how we are to love our neighbors!
Betsy Markman
Just Another Clay Pot
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Must not be saved?
| Posted On: 12/07/08 11:04:49 PM |
Age 21, NV |
I have no desire to see any vampire movies, and there's probably no good reason for any Christian to want to see this film; we can certainly concur on that. But I also believe it's far too much to claim that if someone is entertained by it that absolutely must mean they are not saved. I know of Christians who read the Puritans and Spurgeon, and are fans of modern preachers like Piper, MacArthur, Sproul and Paul Washer, and they are dedicated to holiness, and yet they still watch certain types of movies that I, personally, would not watch. This seems to be a Romans 14:2-4 issue.
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- Something to think about...
| Posted On: 02/16/09 03:09:06 PM | | Age 29, MD |
"One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."--Romans 14:2-4
Where does one draw the line? Eating and drinking food is not the same as watching a film that promotes occultism, sexuality that is outside of what is Biblically acceptable, stealing, or any other God dishonoring practice (especially those that are explicitly prohibited in the Bible). Watching a movie or t.v. is not necessary for one's survival, but if one does not eat, he will starve to death. And for those who regularly engage in putting such things before their eyes and enjoy it, I would encourage them to read the following: Psalm 101:3; Isaiah 5:20; 1 Corinthians 10:12; 2 Corinthians 6:17; 2 Peter 1:10
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- Exactly
| Posted On: 12/09/08 08:08:35 AM | | Age 39, MS |
I agree with you 100%, I am pretty sure God has to be the one to judge their salvation........
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- Thanks
| Posted On: 12/09/08 06:30:38 AM | | Age 36, NC |
Thanks for those Bible verses!
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