LET THEM BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST
| Posted On: 09/18/08 07:28:37 AM |
Age 64, OH |
All Holy Scripture is true, not just some of our favorite parts. Jesus makes it very clear that His servants will NOT be taken from the earth before Satan's followers. In Matthew 13 Jesus explains the parable of the weeds in vs 36 - 43 and says the weeds are the sons of the evil one, the good seed are the sons of The Kingdom, the field is the world, and THE HARVEST IS THE END OF THE AGE. In the parable of the weeds; "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' 29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 LET THEM BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST. At that time I will tell the harvesters: FIRST COLLECT THE WEEDS and tie them in bundles to be burned; THEN GATHER THE WHEAT and bring it into my barn.' " - If we believe Jesus instead of men, we can see that Jesus says we are all here until the end of the age, which of course is the judgment. Jesus also says 1st collect the weeds at the end of the age and then the wheat. It is just the opposite of what you are saying. Lou Newton
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Daniel 9:27
| Posted On: 09/16/08 02:51:07 PM |
Age 73, AZ |
Daniel 9:27 - Misconception of the False Prophet and a Seven-Year Covenant -
The beast/false prophet (Re.13:11) will not be on the world scene seven years prior to the Seventh Trumpet (1 Thess.4:16-17) to be able make a seven-year covenant.
The beast/false prophet will ascend from the bottomless pit (Re.9:1-2) 1335 days (3 yrs., 8 mo., 15 days) prior to the ascension.
The beast/false prophet will ascend from the bottomless pit AFTER the beast of Revelation 13:1.
The beast of Revelation 13:1 will be allowed to then CONTINUE (Re.13:5) with the beast/false prophet (Re.13:11) once the beast/false prophet has ascended from the bottomless pit.
The day that saints of the most High come to the 1335 days (Dan.12:12 below) coincides with the beast/false prophet (Re.13:11) ascending from the bottomless pit (Re.9:1-2)
BOTH these beasts will then come against those who have come to the 1335 days prior to the Seventh TRUMPET .
A misunderstanding of Daniel 9:27 (below) occurs when we look at that Scripture as referring to the false prophet.
A misunderstanding of that Scripture also occurs when we look at the time frame of that Scripture as years instead of DAYS, as it is written.
Daniel 9:25 speaks of Messiah the Prince.
Daniel 9:26 breaks the continuity of thought between Daniel 9:25 and Daniel 9:27, so that the “he” referenced at Daniel 9:27 refers back up to Daniel 9:25, Messiah the Prince.
Messiah the Prince is the Prince of princes/Jesus Christ (Dan.9:25 below).
Messiah is the false prophet (Dan.9:26 below).
He (Dan.9:27 below) refers to Messiah the Prince (Dan.9:25 below).
ONE WEEK (Dan.9:27 below) prior to the Seventh Trumpet (1 Thess.4:16-17), Messiah the Prince (Jesus) will confirm the covenant with many. The many during that last week will be the 144,000.
With the slaying of the two prophets (Re.11:8-12), Messiah the Prince (Jesus) will cause the sacrifice and the oblation of the saints of the most High to cease (Matt.24:9, Dan.7:21, Dan.7:25, Dan.8:24, Re.12:17, Re.13:7, Re.13:15, Re.16:6, Re.17:6, Dan.12:6-7). The slaying of the two prophets ends the "tribulation" except for the 144,000 who will endure to be those who are alive and remain at the ascension.
For the overspreading of abominations that have occurred (Dan.9:27 below), Messiah the Prince (Jesus) shall make the earth desolate, even to the consummation and that determined (the seven last plagues - Re.16:1), will be poured out upon the desolate (Gentiles - 1 Thess.4:5, Eph.2:12) remaining upon the earth after the ascension.
Dan.12:12 BLESSED (Re.14:12-13) is he that waiteth, and cometh to the THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FIVE AND THIRTY DAYS. (1335 days)
Dan. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince (Jesus) shall be SEVEN WEEKS (49 days), and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS (62 weeks, or 1 year, 2 months, 14 days): the street shall be built again, AND THE WALL, even in troublous times.
Dan. 9:26 And after THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS (62 weeks, or 1 year, 2 months, 14 days) shall Messiah (the false prophet - Dan.7:20, Dan.7:24, Dan.7:25, Dan.8:9, Dan.8:11, Dan.8:24-25, Dan.11:36, Dan.11:37-38, 2 Thess.2:4, Re.13:11-17, Re.17:8) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (Satan) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan. 9:27 And he (Dan.9:25 above) shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Patricia © Bible Prophecy on the Web
Author of the self-study aid, The Book of Revelation Explained © 1982
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Prophecies Concerning the Church
| Posted On: 09/16/08 02:48:30 PM |
Age 41, NY |
It is in error to state as fact a pre-tribulation catching away of the saints as you have done without any biblical scriptures to back it up. In fact, there are no scriptures that can verify a pre-tribulation catching away, and this is all conjecture on your part.
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We will return to Heaven with the Lord to await the end of the Tribulation (John 14:1-4)
The scriptures above that you have quoted do not in any way refer to a pre-tribulation catching away of the church or what you are alluding to in your post.
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Biblical opinion
| Posted On: 09/16/08 06:53:58 AM |
Age 62, MO |
These prophecies have been theologically debated by many scholars. The conclusions of this author are not definitive, and should be weighed accordingly. The 1948 date of the Jews returning to the land, especially, has no Biblical basis in fact. George Cancilla
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