Jesus is Lord
| Posted On: 08/20/08 12:09:59 PM |
Age 36, AUSTRALIA |
I have a delemia with alot of whats being said. If a man or woman fall in error does this make there ministry void? If so then we have to take out Moses teachings and David's + many more. The likes off Todd Bentley's ministry has brought in 1 million converts. That is fantastic. Alot of those people may never sit under todds teaching but they have been brought into the kingdom. Praise God. Somsthing else that seems quite strange is that Jesus left the church in the hands of fishermen who recieve alot of truth via vision and Angels. The gospel is vital cross,blood etc but if we are judged on all our doctrine then we are all in touble.
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Simple Googles for More Wacky Todd Stuff
| Posted On: 07/27/08 07:48:23 PM |
Age 30, FL |
Google Todd Bentley cold reading.
For some seriously wierd stuff/teachings from Todd's website plug this one into google:
revelation imagination site:freshfire.ca
Notice how much their imagination, sanctified imagination as they call it, is central to their "revelations."
Hesed
LakelandRevival.blogspot.com
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Which Bible?
| Posted On: 07/26/08 03:13:33 AM |
Age 26, FL |
As my title says... Which Bible are they reading? Because my Bible says the COMPLETE OPPOSITE from the one that they are reading. I do not want to bash them... it is the will of God that all flesh be reconciled back to Him... but that would take two things... one of which is already done. Jesus and Repentance....
Amen on this article. I am glad my pastor got a hold of me before I took the hour and a half drive to see someone that I was ignorant about.
My people parish because of lack of knowledge.... too bad that some of those people are bringing others with them.
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Hmm... which IS legitimate?...
| Posted On: 07/25/08 06:28:34 PM |
Age 26, OH |
The way to discern if one is biblical is simple; Paul's experience is IN THE BIBLE, while the newer experiences are not, making them by nature UNBIBLICAL (you know, because they're not found in the Bible.) Then when compared, you can see a difference between the two experiences described. Paul's account we take as gospel truth because it is located in the inerrant Word of God. Period. That gives it all the validity needed. When we look at the rather grandiose claims of the other three, they seem a bit contrived. As someone who knew Patricia King (I worked her book table when she came in town for conferences), I can assure you I am not making harsh judgements on her (or the other men's) character. I'm just informing you they are liars.
-Deborah
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- Are you being ironic?
| Posted On: 07/26/08 06:13:19 PM | | Age 49, MT |
Your response may be entirely true, but a bunch of bare assertions are of little value. And also, by your own criteria your response, since it is not in the Bible, is therefore unbiblical. Last Sunday, my pastor's sermon, while quite excellent, contained a lot of expository teaching. All of that wasn't in the Bible, either. So, it must be unbiblical?
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BENTLEY IMPLIES THAT HE IS THE WORD OF GOD
| Posted On: 07/25/08 05:47:12 PM |
Age 64, OH |
This man Bentley is being foolish and should have read his Bible before speaking. He says that he can CAUSE himself to be taken into the 3rd heaven by his faith. NO MOVE OF GOD STARTS WITH MAN. God does not follow man, but we are to follow him. Peter knew this fact when he wrote 2 Peter 1:21 (New American Standard Bible) 21for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.-- No prophecy ever started with man but always starts with God. This would also be true for any move of God. But for Bentley to speak that he is going into the 3rd heaven would be prophecy if it came true. This man is following demons not God. -- For Bentley to say "faith is the substance of what we are saying" is gross error. Romans 10:17 (King James Version) 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.-- This does not mean that faith comes from hearing men speak, for men are not The Word of God. The Bible is very clear who the Word of God is and that is The Lord Jesus Christ. When Peter got his revelation that Jesus was God is did not come from the scriptures or preaching of men, but Jesus told Peter that this came form the Father in heaven. It is upon this principle that Jesus builds His church. We do not depend on any man for a revelation or miracle from God. There is NO mediator between us and God except Jesus Christ who is God Almighty Himself. So we are to look directly to The Lord Jesus Himself NOT to any man or super prophet. This is error of the worst kind. This Bentley is drawing people after himself and they will disappointed in the end for depending on any man. The Lord Jesus is THE ONE who shed His blood for us and we are to trust in Him and no one else. Bentley is trying to imply that he has super faith and so we should look to him. Faith is nothing but a gift from God so NO MAN SHOULD BOAST. Lou
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little raptures
| Posted On: 07/25/08 03:39:52 PM |
Age 39, FL |
Bob Jones describes his "trips to heaven" as "little raptures" that he takes each day.
I cannot believe that people would believe this, but upon speaking to the staff of a leader involved in contemplative spirituality, I was told that Paul's vision of heaven could have been done through mantra style medition.
It seems that many people are twisting scripture to allow themselves the freedom to practice pagan spirituality.
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How is one unbiblical and the other biblical?
| Posted On: 07/25/08 09:10:05 AM |
Age 49, MT |
It is not enough to simply assert that the Jones/Bentley experience is false or satanic when compared to Paul's account. The fact that the two experiences are different is irrelevant. I'm not saying that the Jones/Bentley experience IS legitimate, because I don't know. The author, however, apparently does know, but does not tell us how.
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- Notice Who Is In Charge...
| Posted On: 07/26/08 12:25:25 PM | | Age 40, NH |
In Scripture we see visions, signs and wonders as gifts from Yahweh not because we learn or are determined enough. We may need determination of certain knowledge in order to perform certain tasks but the power and control is ALWAYS God.
Bentley, King, Roberts, Hinn and many others supposedly do these things because they control the power (directionally and the ability to turn it off and on). Jesus never acted independently of His Father's direction (He waited for ministry to start at His Father's command and pronouncement) and neither did the apostles. Bentley and other fakes are man-centered, man-controlled, man-learned and man-executed "prophets" and "healers." Just because one says "in Jesus' name" doesn't mean that it is true.
Hinn supposedly can control the Spirit enough to direct it to knock over a section of rally attendees.
Bentley knees someone in the stomach to bring "healing."
King is inc charge of when she sees "visions" from God.
Robertscan "feel" those with specific needs through the airwaves.
All of these people bring the focus on them. Scripture says that the focus and glory will go to Him and not the person if the person is a true prophet or spokesperson.
Grace and Peace,
Jim
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- Here's how
| Posted On: 07/25/08 03:26:27 PM | | Age 61, MO |
There is a common thread in the teachings which predominate the signs and wonders movement today. It has to do with how to get God to do what we want Him to do. It has a theme of US being the center of the universe, and how to get God to service US. We should never deny miracle possibilities, or signs and wonders, as long as they point to Jesus: that is if they are all within God's will and unto HIS glory. These do not include such things as a "miracle service," "miracle road show," or attaching giving money to God's willingness to work miracles. It is about the power of the Holy Spirit which works in and through people who seek Him, and who surrender to Him. Those are the kinds of miracles God wants to do today. If Christian people would truly seek God for Himself, and open themselves up to Him, then God would be free to do miracles, for He could then trust us with them. We wouldn't turn them into a profit center, or a side show. The key is to real miracles is to get into personal business with Jesus Christ. Signs and wonders which point to Jesus will completely agree with Scripture, because Scripture points to Jesus. They are of God. But signs and wonders which are clothed in false teaching, used to raise money, and which lead people away from Christ, are not of God. And the source from which they come is too terrible to contemplate. George Cancilla
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Great discussion
| Posted On: 07/25/08 06:47:22 AM |
Age 61, MO |
Thank you for the informative article. "Now faith is the substance of things HOPED for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN." (Hebrews 11:1). George Cancilla
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