Have miracles finished?
| Posted On: 07/23/08 07:16:20 AM |
Age 46, ENGLAND |
Todd, are you arguing that miracles are now finished and have no part as part of the Gospel of the Kingdom?
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- Are miracles for today?
| Posted On: 07/25/08 07:34:25 AM | | Age 61, MO |
There is a common thread in the teachings which predominate the signs and wonders movement today. It has to do with how to get God to do what we want Him to do. It has a theme of US being the center of the universe, and how to get God to service US. We should never deny miracle possibilities, or signs and wonders, as long as they point to Jesus: that is if they are all within God's will and unto HIS glory. These do not include such things as a "miracle service," "miracle road show," or attaching giving money to God's willingness to work miracles. It is about the power of the Holy Spirit which works in and through people who seek Him, and who surrender to Him. Those are the kinds of miracles God wants to do today. If Christian people would truly seek God for Himself, and open themselves up to Him, then God would be free to do miracles, for He could then trust us with them. We wouldn't turn them into a profit center, or a side show. The key is to real miracles is to get into personal business with Jesus Christ. Signs and wonders which point to Jesus will completely agree with Scripture, because Scripture points to Jesus. They are of God. But signs and wonders which are clothed in false teaching, used to raise money, and which lead people away from Christ, are not of God. And the source from which they come is too terrible to contemplate. George Cancilla
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- So when we're good enough?
| Posted On: 07/30/08 08:34:57 AM | | Age 46, ENGLAND |
It sounds like you're making a case for miracles flowing from good works? The gifts of the Holy Spirit are precisely that - GIFTS. The Bible is full of accounts of people operating gifts of the Spirit who clearly didn't have everything together -Peter, James and John being obvious examples. I don't like 'side show' evangelism, but I don't think that God always gives His gifts as we would give them.
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- Miracles Happen
| Posted On: 07/27/08 05:50:14 PM | | Age 46, TX |
Well put George, thank you. Most supposed signs and wonders claimed by those in the public eye today have absolutely no proof to validate them. This seems to prove that these "miracles" are merely a gimmick to get people to those meetings which means popularity and money to the promoters. Miracles are biblical and Jesus told us that an EVIL generation seeks a sign. His true disciples seek HIM not a miracle, sign or wonder. Jesus is coming. SafeGuardYourSoul.com todd
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- So . . ?
| Posted On: 07/30/08 08:30:14 AM | | Age 46, ENGLAND |
So is God still working miracles today or not, or are you taking a cessationist position?
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- JESUS STILL DOES MIRACLES
| Posted On: 09/02/08 12:21:50 PM | | Age 46, TX |
Jesus Christ is hasn't changed (Heb. 13:8). Yet He told us repeatedly to TEST all who come in His name and He also warned that "MANY" who prophesy and cast out devils and do many wonderful works don't know Him. "Beloved, believe not every spirit but try (test) the spirits to see whether they are of God, for MANY false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1) See Deut. 13. Also, it seems that many times in the book of Acts and in the sequence of Mark 16:15-20, there is FIRST the preaching of God's Word (to bring forth the greatest miracle - men coming to repentance and being born again), and then miracles. In either case (regardless of what happened first) there WAS ALWAYS THE PREACHING OF THE WORD OF GOD at the forefront and as the centerpiece of the work of the kingdom. "Preach the Word..." - and especially in light of the foretold reality that many would turn away their ears from the truth, not enduring sound doctrine, and would be turned to fables (2 Tim. 4:2-4). Jesus preached, taught, and did miracles (Matt. 4:23-25). He taught and preached the kingdom of God and then healed and cast out devils, THEN He gave (preached/taught) the "sermon on the mount" which was a long teaching about His kingdom (Matt. 5-7). THEN, beginning in Matt. 8:1, Jesus heals a leper...wow. LORD, please grant us understanding. The point is, that when someone like Todd Bentley gets up and is supposedly doing miracles and signs and doesn't preach the Word of God, he should immediately be marked for what he is - FALSE (Rom. 16:17-18). SafeGuardYourSoul.com
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Emotions
| Posted On: 07/20/08 06:54:06 PM |
Age 61, MO |
Thank you for a very informative Biblical lesson. I would add that Bentley and others of his ilk prey on the emotions of people. Our emotions are a dimension of our natural Adam makeup that are reacting agents. Emotions do not originate anything. They just react to everything else. From a natural standpoint, this means that emotions do not originate thoughts, but react to them. Emotions don’t originate what happens in our environment, or in our relationships, but rather react to them. Because emotions are reactionary by nature, they happen whether we like it or not. We can control our emotions in the sense of not letting them out, or in the sense of letting them out. The truth is, if we are governed by our emotions, and allow them to frame our perspective, and direct us, or even allow them to masquerade as the voice of God to us; then we are walking according to the flesh, because our emotions are part of the flesh: the carnal Adam self. There are many other ways to walk according to the flesh, but one way to walk in the flesh is to think that the way WE feel is the way God feels; or is created in us by God as a means of direction. God does not use emotions to speak to us. George Cancilla
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