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Bravo! Bravo!
Posted On: 07/11/08 12:20:45 PM Age 50, MI
Just a Question: Since when can someone be more of a Christian than someone else? One is either saved or not saved. One either believes that Jesus is the son of God or does not believe. One either gives his or her life to Christ totally or doesn't. There are no levels of Christianity . . . only levels of obedience. One is either a fully-devoted follower of Jesus Christ (and therefore, a Christian) or one is not (and therefore, a non-believer or at the very least, severely backslidden with need of repentance). If a candidate, such as BO, claims to be a Christian, then there will be outward evidence, such as belief in God's Word and his commands. No outward evidence, then not a fully devoted follower. . . period!
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Who cares?
Posted On: 07/10/08 06:51:54 PM Age 50, WA
Who cares about his religion? What's next--whether he wears boxers or briefs? The issue is how well he would be president, not how well he would be pope. Wondering about his morals makes sense; wondering about his religion doesn't. The Constitution prohibits a religious test for public office. It'd be nice if the American voter was equally unconcerned about a candidate's religion.
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  1. re
    Posted On: 12/16/08 04:23:11 PMAge 29, MD
    "Wondering about his morals makes sense; wondering about his religion doesn't." Perhaps, but as it is, I do wonder about Barak Obama's morals. He claims to be a Christian, yet his words and actions (and hidden past) are loud and clear to the contrary.
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  2. who cares
    Posted On: 09/21/08 03:51:38 AMAge 75, FL
    I think we should all care if the candidate we are considering to be our president belongs/subscribes to a religion/doctrine, whos basic tenent is to kill all who do not believe as they do. I, for one, will never vote for a professed muslim whos followers strap bombs on to their children to kill innocent people.
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  3. BO
    Posted On: 07/12/08 11:43:25 AMAge 64, OH
    Well how would BO do as President. BO claims to be an agent of change and says he is willing and able to change this nation. BO sat is a church that had a Black Nazi for a preacher and BO sat in a pew and said nothing. BO was not willing to change that church or was not able to change that church. I do not not see either as a good thing, do you. The constitution does not speak against the Christian religion. Read the orders of George Washington to his troops and you will see that he ordered his troops to attend Christian services every week. He ordered his troops to have a day to humble themselves before God and fast and pray every April. GW gave credit to Jesus for every victory in written orders to his troops. GW said in writing to his whole army, that the outcome of this war depended on their commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ. He asked congress and they approved for a Christian Chaplin for every regiment. They tried one for every two, but it did not work. The regiments were from different local areas and of different Christian denominations. It is clear that the fathers of our nation founded a nation for Christians and it was to be Christian. The no religious test simply means that no specific doctrine of Christianity would be forced on any candidate. Lou
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    1. (reply to BO post)
      Posted On: 07/21/08 03:26:48 PMAge 50, WA
      Sure, Obama’s following a nutjob pastor is a problem to me. McCain has his own problems with Hagee and Parsley. What’s the lesson here? I dunno—maybe to avoid getting too close to religion? You say that “the fathers of our nation founded a nation for Christians and it was to be Christian”? Read the Constitution and think again. The Constitution is secular—end of story. It baffles me why Christians would want it any other way. Do you really want a theocracy? Maybe you want a theocracy lite? Seems to me that the status quo is about as good as it gets: you can think and believe and attend church as you want. You can proselytize from the street corner. Churches get tax breaks. And (bonus!) you can send your kid to public school and know that they’re not going to get preached at by a Muslim or a Wiccan or a Mormon or a Hindu. Sounds like a pretty good deal, no? Maybe keeping religion out of the government isn't such a bad idea after all!
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      1. THIS NATION WAS CHRISTIAN
        Posted On: 07/22/08 12:43:18 PMAge 64, OH
        The framers of the Constitution were very clear that they intended this nation to be a Christian nation with laws that agreed with the Bible. Read some of the writings of these men and see what they said about this issue. George Washington ORDERED the entire Army to attend worship services every Sunday. Every regiment had a paid Chaplin who preached and taught every regiment in their own denomination. The regiments where from a certain town which tended to be of one denomination. The entire Army had a day of humbling themselves before God and fasting and praying to seek Jesus Christ. The entire Army gave thanks to The Lord Jesus when a victory came. The entire Army was ordered not to use the Name of our Lord In vain and the officers were ordered to punish those who broke this rule with any regularity. Washington also made it very clear who the God they worshiped was, The Lord Jesus Christ. After the first inauguration the whole congress and court attended a CHRISTIAN SERVICE. This nation was not set up as Mormon it did not exist then. It was not set up for Muslims, as they shed no blood, sweat or tears to fight for it. It was founded by Christians for Christians. They were generous and let others in to their nation and then these people wanted to come to this land and then make it like the terrible land that they wanted to leave. If the Muslims want a Muslim land with Muslim laws, go back to the land of their birth, it was Muslim. They did not like that land, then want to come to this nation and make it like the evil place that they left. Lou
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Obama:An Icon for Deception
Posted On: 07/10/08 03:11:29 PM Age 56, LA
Amen, brother about the church. That is exactly why we have "come out from among them, and be seperate, or you will share in it's plagues." We can't afford to be associated with an organizational system who is so closely tied to the world's ways which are being held sway under the evil one. Who we are joined to, we will be judged with suggests the Lord. The church system no longer loves the truth, so the remnant has to leave it.
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The 'other' white meat!
Posted On: 07/10/08 09:17:20 AM Age 47, MO
The problem is NOT Barack redefining Christianity but rather Christians not defending true faith. Today 'Christian' means 'other': other than Muslim, other than JW, Mormon, Hindu, Pagan, etc. Christianity has become a generic term to mean "nice spirituality." So if you believe in a higher power who blesses his followers- you are now a Christian. True Christianity however, is not about us, is not a self help program, and is not an alternative lifestyle. Christianity is death of self. John
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  1. WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR LIFE TO JESUS
    Posted On: 07/10/08 12:58:05 PMAge 64, OH
    I always read your comments John. And you are correct if you say that true Christianity involves death of self. But just death of self does not make one a Christian. If we give our life to someone other than Jesus Christ it will all be in vain, as I am sure you will agree. Lou
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    1. Absolutely,
      Posted On: 07/12/08 11:40:24 AMAge 47, MO
      Thanks for making that clear. John
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Exchaging the truth for a lie!
Posted On: 07/10/08 12:57:49 AM Age 60, IN
There is a truth that has been made apparent during this upcoming election; “As goes the Church, so goes the nation”. Truth used to be modeled by the Church and its preachers whether it was popular to society or not. Many preachers in America no longer consider themselves accountable to God, but only to those who hire them. They no longer listen to the Spirit of truth considering themselves to be as wise as God, but due to their foolish heart being darkened by sin, have quit preaching the truth, or, are preaching some deluded form of it, denying its power. Consequently people in churches across America no longer know or discern who or what the truth is. This is why you have people calling good what God has called evil, or calling evil what God has called good, and why you have man following man instead of following God. 20 years ago, people in this nation would’ve flat out rejected the gospel according to Barack Obama. But today many in America act like they don’t even know the difference. In his gospel he exchanges the Word of God for his own version of the truth, a lie. Now he holds up his gospel, which radically differs from God‘s own Word, and wants you and me to believe in, and accept his gospel over the True Gospel. I say with Paul, “anathema”! (Gal.1:6-9). Jesus said in Mark 3:26,27, “a nation divided against itself, cannot stand”. Basically said, when people in a nation are in revolt, because they can no longer agree with what or who is the truth, that nation will become divided and cease to exist. He said the same thing about a home, or individual. So is Barack Obama the savior that will come to save the nation? Or will he further divide the nation with his form of the truth and bring it closer to the end, if not thee end? Could the gospel according to Barack Obama be one of the strong delusions talked about in 2 Thess. 2:10-12? America as a nation and all its “politically correct” leaders, for the most part, have rejected God, turned from the love of the Truth to the pleasure of lawlessness and sin. Jesus said in John 12:48, “…the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge you in the last day.” In the day of judgment when Barack Obama stands before Jehovah God to give an account, I want to hear him explain to God his statements, as quoted from his speeches, why he preached another gospel other than the true gospel. Remember what he preached here on earth, if it’s not repented of, is the same thing he’ll have to stand by when he appears before Christ in the day of judgment. If what he has esteemed as truth and preached as greater than God’s own Word was not truth, it will not save him in that day, but will only condemn. Truth according to Christ will save and excuse in that day! But truth according to Barack Obama will enslave and accuse in that day! Wake up America! Repent and quit being deceived.
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Well state Jill
Posted On: 07/09/08 09:48:00 PM Age 46, AZ
You have really nailed it Jill. I haven't seen anyone so clearly illustrate that this guy is a FRAUD. He's not a Christian. He's not a Patriot. He's not a leader. He's not in any way presidential material. He may be a Muslim, at the very least a very confused agnostic. He is a socialist and may in fact harbor communist feelings. (see William Ayres) He is leading people around like zombies and no matter what he says, he can't shake his following. This is a very scary time for America. WE in the Christian community must continue to sound the alarm. To the Methodist in Canada...God help you, I will pray that you find the REAL Jesus.
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Just a minute
Posted On: 07/09/08 07:34:11 PM Age 60, CANADA
I recognize that Obama may not be your kind of Christian, but don't forget that the remarks you have quoted fit very well with most main line Christian traditions (they certainly wouldn't be out of place in my Methodist church). Not all Christians are literalists, and many Christians have become Christians after switching from another faith (or no faith), which we should celebrate. Without commenting at all on their policies, I would have to say that, as far as I'm concerned, Obama exemplifies more of a Christian life than McCain does.
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  1. YOUR OWN GOD?
    Posted On: 07/10/08 09:40:51 AMAge 51, MI
    I am a great golfer. I can shoot 59 anytime I want. If I loose my ball, I simply hit another one without penalty. When I am on the green, it is as good as in. You see, I have my own idea of how golf should be played. Therefore, I am a great golfer. Now you may say that I am cheating because I am not following the written rules (the word) of golf. When you pick and choose anything that suits you from the bible, this makes you a great christian...but does it? You may call me a literalist, but I say you are trying to be your own god.
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  2. Bravo, Bravo...
    Posted On: 07/10/08 07:54:00 AMAge 35, MI
    Look at the lifestyle of the candidates and where they came from and it is quite clear Obama is more of a christian than McCain.
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    1. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA
      Posted On: 07/10/08 01:18:45 PMAge 64, OH
      A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ. Obama supports partial birth abortion. That means Obama supports the piercing of the scull of a baby that has its head out of the womb. I helped to deliver my youngest son. When he had just his eyes out of the womb, I said, "hi Isaac, I am your daddy, and I love you". I will never forget the look he gave me. You see I knew he was a son and his name was to be Isaac because God had promised him to me. He said he is a child late in life and a child of promise, so call him Isaac. I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that if I would have taken a sharp instrument and pierced the scull of that poor little innocent baby, while he was looking at me, that Jesus would have been pleased. A true Christian does not support the killing of the most helpless and innocent of humans. Obama says he is for the poor. He is a liar. If he was for the poor, who is more poor than these babies. Even their mother wants to kill them. Obama is for the mother who wants to kill her own child, because the mother can vote and the child can not. That is simply being selfish and has nothing to do with helping the poor. When you are old and unable to get to the poles to vote; Obama will treat you the same as he does these babies. He will leave others kill you if they are able to vote. Lou
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Question
Posted On: 07/09/08 05:34:40 PM Age 77, WI
This is not for publication, but I have a question on this article I'd like an answer for. First, I definitely am not an Obama fan but I tried to go to some of the places mentioned in the article and while I am not real computer smart, I think I should be able to access the links but, in no way was I able to do so. I feel the article would be better at convincing a skeptic if one were able to really see where the info comes from. None of the named sources were done as links so I could not see/access any of them. Thank you and god bless.
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  1. Try this link again--I got there
    Posted On: 07/12/08 11:48:57 PMAge 48, IL
    http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html also--go to www.snopes.com and enter in his name -- you'll get so many links it will make you're head swim...I like to use snopes to debunk all kinds of urban myths. while you're doing websites, go to McCain's own website (just put in the search) I know McCain was standing up for Christianity in the form of Jesus as his Savior at cost of his personal health, in the worst possible circumstances, as a P.O.W. Look him up in Snopes, too. The information is plenty available. I might also suggest you use the google "goodsearch" search engine, which pays your charity for the research you do through it. You have to add it through Google.
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DOES OBAMA BRING ABOUT CHANGE
Posted On: 07/09/08 10:40:30 AM Age 64, OH
Obama claims to be an agent of change that we can trust in. If he is an agent of change and did not agree with the racial hatred that was preached in his church for over 20 years, then why did he not change that racial hatred. Obama is either lying and did not disagree with the racial hatred OR Obama would not or could not bring about any change. We do want need a liar or an impotent man who claims change but does nothing. We can see what kind of a President Obama would be by the change he brought about in his church. Lou
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I Agree,Obama's faith is in himself
Posted On: 07/09/08 09:51:08 AM Age 50, TN
Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey both have expressed their belief that there are many paths to God. No wonder Oprah is a big supporter of Obama. As I heard a pastor say once, "If all roads leads to salvation then why the cross? Why would Jesus suffer and die?" Those who say there are many roads to heaven must either not know the Bible or believe Jesus is a liar when he said in John 14:6, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me." Augustine said, "If you can believe in the gospel what you like, and reject what you don't like, it's not the gospel you believe but yourself!" Obama also says he rejects some passages in Romans. Some Christians who know Obama's stand on the issues call him the "Obamanation of desolation." People say I am narrow minded because I stand by what the Bible teaches, that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus alone. I just thank them because the Bible says, "narrow is the way!"
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  1. The WAY never changes
    Posted On: 07/09/08 12:33:50 PMAge 81, NC
    BO claims to be the"change we can believe in".MAN!he has changed what being a Christian is all about.I have pondered for such along time.Can a person be a true Born Again Christian and support abortion the way he does,or anyone else for that matter?The same would be true concerning approving same sex marriages and homosexuality life style.I believe humans that have never heard the gospel know it is wrong to destroy an unborn child.I know God forgives when we confess our sins.in fact they are already forgiven.HE paid our sin debt in full when HE died on the cross.I pray BO will honestly turn to Jesus and God will open his eyes to his sinfull condition.The scriptures tell us people like BO's eyes are blinded by sin.I also pray for Christians who vote for him for what ever the reason.He is a very charismatic personand many will be led down the wrong way.When we have ungodly leaders;CAn God bless American?
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