AA Hoax
| Posted On: 05/22/08 06:16:19 PM |
Age 49, IL |
IF AA works, why do people keep having to go back, over and over again? Why do they cling to their coffee and their ritualistic 'healing'? It really is sad, these AA meetings keep people coming back again and again, and most I know either trade alcohol for pills, or other drugs. So they just give up one addiction for another, and like robots, keep going to something that does not work. "If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed"-John 8:36. We, as sinners, do not have power over sin, certainly man-made programs offer no permanent cure. Only Christ can set us free from our bondage to sin. When we choose to drink, we risk becoming addicted. Sadly, many have fallen prey to this enticing way of life. Millions are spent in advertising, making alcohol glamorous, fun, popular. But, they refuse to advertise the flip side, the poor soul who has now become addicted, lost his/her job, family, home, etc. Their health is deteriorating, their mind is going as well. How can a 12 step program which simply repeats itself {somewhat like brainwashing} at every meeting possibly set the addict free? Not to mention, it isn't empowered by the Most High God, but by whatever your god of choice may be; a toaster, a sycamore tree, anything you name will do.
For anyone who struggles with addiction and is sick and tired of it, please...cry out to God, admit you have sinned against Him and repent, turn away from your sins. Surrender to the authority of Jesus Christ in your life, and indeed, you will be free at last!
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- AA Hoax
| Posted On: 06/13/09 01:33:54 PM | | Age 66, MS |
"It really is sad, these AA meetings keep people coming back again and again, and most I know either trade alcohol for pills, or other drugs. So they just give up one addiction for another, and like robots, keep going to something that does not work. "If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed"-John 8:36. We, as sinners, do not have power over sin, certainly man-made programs offer no permanent cure. Only Christ can set us free from our bondage to sin. When we choose to drink, we risk becoming addicted."
All I can say is AMEN! AA keeps one in bondage...if it's not alcohol, it's the program itself. Programs (12 step or whatever) do not set people free from sin. Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY (John 14:6). Alcoholism is not a disease....it is a sin. My second husband died from "acute ethanol toxicity"....all the while "doing the 12 steps of AA" and attending meetings. AA does not have Christian roots...it has occultic roots, as the article states.
AA is not the answer to true freedom from alcohol...Jesus Christ is!
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:36)
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- Assumptions Assumptions???? Part 1
| Posted On: 05/28/08 03:58:11 PM | | Age 38, CA |
Very Funny - the religion thing I mean. I suppose I'll take the bait.
I also suppose you are making an assumption for a reading audience that is an assumption, that I base my whole life on AA or 12 Steps.
So I take it that the fact that I am a Christian man, with a college education in theology, and who has worked in the inner cities of this country with thousands of people in recovery (amongst other problems) who has used AA methods, Celebrate recovery methods, and other methods to help people (sometimes no 12 step or AA information at all if not needed) has no bearing on the conversation.
Also as a person who has been on staff at 2 large churches and has counseled many people who were victims of church abuse (including people who tried to get recovery in churches where people told them that the reason they were not getting better in the different churcheds they were attending was a lack of faith or not enough praying etc.) and managed to help these people find lasting sobriety might have a bearing.
In otherwords you keep sterotyping the people in AA by your experience and what many people experience. That is like saying that all pastors are child molesters, cheaters, or liers because there is so much media coverage about the ones who are.
The fact that I am able to bear witnes to errors in the common flawed reasoning (THE IDEA THAT BECAUSE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING DO SOMETHING THAT IS CLEARLY CRAZY) and that I actually studied the history from an perspective of not making the decision before I researched meanS that the difference between me and you is: if I see parson with an AA background, I can say "Hey, you have that all wrong, If you don't get a deep personal relationship with Christ it will not work. Here let me show you in the book you have."
Your only possible response is, "Hey, what you have is evil, I got better by Christ."
The funny part is that probably 60-70% of the people I work with have long term church backgrounds and are actually spiritual people, but still have chemical dependency.
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I suppose the fact that one person can get better with little help means that all should be able to get better the same way. An altar experience and a sudden loss of desire to ever use again. That does happen IN EXTREMELY RARE CASES! If that were the norm there would be recovery meetings in churches that look like Benn Hinn or something like that. People would come to the miracle recovery healers and get the magic fairy dust blown on them.
There needs to be a mentoring process and a process of change. a James 4 washing of hands and cleansing of the heart that will give one God's perspective. Seeing the world from such a perspective and realizing how much has to be changed makes one hopeless and miserable. The joy and laughter will be turned weeping and mourning and a certain feeling of hopelessness. But once a person is humbled in this manner, (broken down to his or her knees so to speak) that person is in the correct position to rely totally upon God and have God lift him or her up.
The 12 steps started as one man's attempt to describe the discipleship program used by the Oxford group (before he came along). This is by no means the only method of discipleship and I definately agree that what is taking place in many if not most AA meetings is absolute stupidity relative to the Bible and their own literature that assumed you were reading the Bible. (We realize we know oonly a little. God will have to disclose more to you and to us... ALcoholics Anonymous Book pg 164 - last page of the program)
A key thing to realize is that Bill Wilson and Dr. Robert Smith did not make up anything. They just took what already existed in Oxford Movement doctrine and tried to focus it on alcoholism.
It was much later that all the crazy stuff that is sterotypical of AA today came into the picture.
END Part 1
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- Flawed Logic
| Posted On: 05/27/08 11:49:17 AM | | Age 38, CA |
If you use the same logic as the first statement in this post you prove that Church Does not work. If Church works, Why do people have to keep going back. The rest of the logic is flawed too. If there are mainstream churches like Jehovahs Witnesses, and LDS, that call themselves churches, then anything that calls itself a church must be evil. After all, there is made up books, and multiple gods, and multiple wives, and forcing little girls to marry old men. What kind of thing is this "church" place anyway.
This is the hazzard of being alarmist. Just becasue you view something and you associated as the whole experience does not make that the facts. SImply because some people who claim to be experts say that is how something is (like the leadership of the aforementioned churches) does not mean that is how the entity (be it AA or church) is supposed to be.
Is it correct to say the church as a whole is evil or that the churches that I have seen where there are clear errors in understanding are flawed?
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A Little Bit of Information is a Dangerous Thing!
| Posted On: 05/22/08 05:30:51 PM |
Age 38, CA |
The Oxford Group Movement, of which the original A.A. movement was a part (the title Alcoholics Anonymous began with the writing of the book years after the movement started) was a christian fellowship, with some ideas that were outide of the mainstreamof the time.
The focus of the Oxford Groups was small home groups that studied the bible and discussed it. These types of groups were outside of the norm for that era, but not for the current times with similar movements such as th G12 movements (which have produced some of the largest churches in the history of mankind), Church planting Movements (known as CPM movements), the House Church Movement, and many others.
Whatever we try to say we think their God was, the God that was discussed at the early meetings (at a man named T Henry's house) was the one found in the Bible. If you were to go to Akron Ohio today to visit AA group #1 (which was really an OXford group meeting til many years after it started) you can still see the bible that was used in the meetings to open and to read the passage of scripture that was to be discussed that day.
The devotionals (like the Daily Bread) that were required reading for all of the people working with Dr. Bob Smith (one of the founding members) are extremely Christian and many of them are still read by Christians today.
In the AA book many of the direct statements about God are still there just ignored by those who for some reason do not want to hear it (some for AA and some against AA)
the seconfd word on page 11 is Christ. on page 99-100 the book tells a person when working with a newcomer to "Remind the prospect that his recovery is not dependent upon poeple. It is dependent upon his relationship to God." page 68 says "...we are now on a different basis; the basis of trusting and relying upon God. We trust infinate God rather than our finite selves." the same page also says "We never apologize to anyone for depending upon our creator." Dr. Bob himself writes "If you think you are an atheist, an agnostic, a sceptic, or have any other form of intellectual pride which keeps you from accepting what is in this book, I feel sorry for you." The truth is that Dr. Bob was opposed to the writing of a book to begin with as his group (now called AA group #1) though that the Bible was book enough. The only reason he agreed was because he thought the recovery information could not remain consistant and people would go back to being abused by their current congregations that did not know how to work with alcoholics.
My point in saying all of this is to say that if the totality of ones research is in literature that is opposed to something to begin with you will end up with an erroneous understanding of whatever you are researching. Please understand, that what I have seen in many meetings is nothing like what was done in the 1930's and is all that is described above. The same logic could be applied to messed up churches. If someone encounters a messed up church or see a pastor fall publically should that person get on the internet and say that Christianity is evil. If you do a search right now many people have done the exact same thing to be anti Christian.
I appreciate the concern and the desire to help those you perceive to be misled with this article, but the information is innacurate and is just what gives unbelievers ammunition to say all Christians are liars. I would simply ask that you start by doing more research but without preconceived notions. And yes, many meetings are cult like and do some crazy things that make no sense at all, I simply don;'t go there just like many churches are cult like and do crazy things, I don't go there either
Thank you for your time and for allo2wing me to share:
Alethinos Paradoxos,
Member, Foundation Principles AA
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- AA a spiritual mix
| Posted On: 05/23/08 10:29:41 AM | | Age 54, OR |
I appreciate the thoughtful reply. AA is like a pie--many want to believe it is, say, a lemon meringue pie because those ingredients went into it. People often point to the Oxford Group and Anne Smiths Quiet Time/Prayer as Christian roots of AA.
But Anne was participating in seances with Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob (this is in PASS IT ON)and this raises questions, at least for me, as to who or what she was listening to in Quiet Time. Like Bill and Dr. Bob, she was a caring person who dedicated her life to hurting alcoholics.
The Oxford Group had many critics who saw it as works-based rather than Biblical.
It is totally unfair to hurting alcoholics to tell them AA is Christian in origin. The Oxford Group, Quiet Time and other factors are in the pie mix with spiritualism, New Thought, Carl Jung, William James, Swedenborg, and more.
If you make a lemon meringue pie and also include ingredients such as tar, mud, rat poison, and sand, is it really a lemon meringue pie?
What we have today are folks who write about the lemon meringue ingredients and discount the harmful stuff in the mix.
We must separate from this thing. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17. We can. Alcoholics and addicts can gain Salvation and freedom.
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- What???
| Posted On: 05/27/08 10:08:26 AM | | Age 38, CA |
This seance thing seems to have very limited support historically relative to the massive amounts of support for the Biblical roots and church roots of A.A. or even deeper biblical roots of the Oxford Movement. The fact that some members may have screwed it up or watered it down over time does not make the facts any less so.
If that were the case a person like Reverend Wright would totally disprove anything the Bible has to say as the fact that one or two people somehow disprove the whole thing. Even deeper there are lots of people who feel the same way in churches several times a week and all day on Sunday (more than most of us). Since there is lots of people in church who have the message messed up and whole churches that have the whole thing messed up does that mean the idea of a church is not Biblical???? By this sort of reasoning that would be the truth following the saem sort of reasoning!!!! The truth is that most of not all movements tend to drift toward degredation over time and generations. when the drift becomes too much, there often arizes a grass roots movement that attempts to bring the whole thing back to it's original intended state. Often the result is sepreate movements that have some similarities but in many ways are directly opposed to one another (thus so many denominations). There are many such movements, but several are by invitation only (due to the depth of the evil desires of some in the modern version of AA to keep it the way it is) and some are simply a small voice in the noise of those doing whatever they want to do.
But, I suppose in working with the sickest of our society (Alcoholics and drug addicts etc) and being a place where they have come to get better, I would not be in the right place if there were not people in various stages of getting better (some still crazy as can be) the problem comes when there is no limitation on how crazy you can be and take on leadership. At this point in time much of the overall leadership of what callls itself A.A. is a group of people that by the original standards would be considered stilll crazy and definately not Godly. It's like if all you saw on TV were Reverend Wrights and everyone started assuming that all things church and all things Biblical were reflected by these people!!!!!!
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- Awesome
| Posted On: 05/23/08 07:00:33 AM | | Age 30, MN |
You nailed it. I see these people and their posts and I would bet none of them have even been to a meeting or picked up the big book. Thank you for setting the record straight about the AA you and I obviously know.
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AA is not Christian
| Posted On: 05/22/08 11:17:15 AM |
Age 43, WI |
Christians should stay away from AA. While I could go on with many reasons, the main thing is they don't teach the complete and total healing of Christ. I had to go and it was sad, the meetings start: my name is __ and I am an alchoholic. Christ heals and delivers completely from ALL sin and bondage, there is one step and that is Christ. No bondage to 12 steps, no "I'm kind of healed". No, Christ and Christ alone heals and delivers, totally and from all.
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- MY NAME IS LOU AND I AM A SINNER
| Posted On: 05/23/08 08:27:42 AM | | Age 64, OH |
Couldn't we start every meeting with "My name is ______ and I am a sinner". It is not the words but what we mean by our words. People can also argue against saying we are sinners. They can say that Jesus cleansed us and forgave us of all sin and took away all power of sin in our life. They could also be correct. But our flesh is still in sin, is it not. I attended an AA meeting once and I agree with you that they do not seem to free but seem to be still in bondage to alcohol. But this could have been meant in a correct way in the start of AA. Just as our churches have strayed from the Truth, this does not make Jesus wrong does it. We must remain humble to see the Truth. Lou
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Take 12 steps back and reread the author's point
| Posted On: 05/22/08 07:18:16 AM |
Age 45, GA |
I find too often when someone disagrees with an author's article that often additional information or facts supporting one's disagreement are not offered up, but instead insults are slung, justifications or excuses are made, and emotional reaction wins over proactive logical argument almost every time. My take on the point of the article is simply found in the title. Generally, the founders of AA have been called Christians. Twelve step programs have been embraced by many churches perhaps as a result of this loose understanding. The author disagrees with labeling these men Christian and successfully writes the reasons he believes this. AA's temporal success is not what he focused on although he may question it simply by the fact it has shades of truth without the main catalyst of true change-Christ. The matter at hand was to alert us to be cautious to not call something Christian that is not. If you don't believe in Christ as the Savior from eternal damnation resulting from sin(rejection of God's law)and that conviction doesn't become your "higher power" that you submit to and obey, then it can't be Christian. Call it something else. My husband is a 'recovering' alcoholic with 24 years of sobriety. Shades of truth can have their positive impact. He knew that a "higher power" was nebulous. Considering one's world view, AA can fit into any of them except for maybe atheism. AA may have helped him begin anew here in this world, but it did nothing for his eternal state. Let us not give people a false impression that their higher power can do that. It won't anymore than the church they attend make them a true Christian by God's standards. Fixing the body does not fix the soul without a true knowledge and acceptance that Christ's saving sacrifice is the only truth and allegiance worthy of your focus. I know that first hand. A dry drunk is still controlled very much by his flesh until he submits to Christ. We are in an age where everything is up for redefining and Christian beliefs seem to be in the forefront of redefinition and encompassing all sorts of heresy. I applaud any author that raises concerns about muddled thinking and alerts us to be clearer definers of truth. Now if someone has info. that counters that these two men were not how this author portrays them, then speak up and let's have a productive platform to sharpen our thinking.
Otherwise, let's thank those whose discernment understands that the world view someone holds does matter and when you heal the soul the rest follows.
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OA was based on AA
| Posted On: 05/22/08 12:34:25 AM |
Age 47, IL |
Overeater's Anonymous read the "prayer" as "great light bulb grant me the serenity..." I think they meant to believe in the lightbulb on the fridge when you opened it...You were required to believe in something, anything, in order to start your "healing." The leader of the group was an AA fellow who just wanted people to talk to him, but he was really proud of his sinning lifestyle. I remember having watery eyes from his non-filtered cigarettes. I quit that group two meetings after I started it 15 years ago because I felt it was compelling me to overeat to a greater degree. The local hospital sponsored it.
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Really??
| Posted On: 05/21/08 08:49:03 PM |
Age 35, FL |
I just pray that a Christian struggling with alcohol does not deny the help of AA after reading this article. Please, Mr. Lanagan, repent and ask God to forgive you for possibly extinguishing what little hope of recovery some Christians struggling with alcohol may have had.
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- False Hope!
| Posted On: 05/22/08 11:45:19 AM | | Age 54, VA |
You have placed your hope in a pagan ritual. Repent, and do not lead other Christians down this path.
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Lanagan article on AA
| Posted On: 05/21/08 11:48:02 AM |
Age 65, NC |
I wonder if Mr. Lanagan, when he has to go to the emergency room for an apendectomy, interviews the doctor to see if he conforms to Mr. Lanagan's version of Christianity?
If Mr. Lanagan can't see the New Testament in the 12 Steps, I must be reading a different Bible from the one he reads. AA (and any other 12 Step group) is not a religion, nor a church. It is a proven, time tested way to be rid of the burden of addiction. I would venture a guess that the percentage of believers in the average AA meeting is more than in most evangelical churches on Sunday morning. If I have to chose between his version of Christianity and Bill and Dr. Bob's, I will take Bill and Dr. Bob's everytime. I guess if Mr. Lanagan saw the list of books I have read, I would probably be subject to being burned as a witch. I am proud to say that Jesus is my Lord and savior and a bunch of drunks in smoke filled rooms led me to Him. Mr. Lanagan reminds me of one of the reasons the secular world hates us, sometimes we sound too much like the Islamic fundamentalists. I am disappointed that CWN would even post garbage like this.
Clyde
Kinston, NC
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- 12 Step Religion
| Posted On: 05/22/08 10:05:26 AM | | Age 54, OR |
Yes, but I am going to a doctor for medical reasons. The 12 Step program is a "spiritual program" is it not? So why do I want to go to something that does not honor my God? Things of the Spirit in my life belong to Christ my King. Yes,my God is a King; he is not my uncle or my neighbor.
My God, who is my King, loves each and every drunk--which is what I was. I understand your anger, but I am going to be saying a lot more about this. We have been snookered. This thing is not Christian, and never has been.
Christ offers something far more important than sobriety--although it is hard to deal with much of anything when under such bondage--He offers Salvation.
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- Right info
| Posted On: 05/23/08 06:25:24 AM | | Age 30, MN |
I see a lot of posts on here from people who are very mis-informed about AA. The twelve steps are definitly not a spiritual program they are a system and written guidance to follow through your recovery. A main reason addicts are addicts is because they have no system or set of rules to follow in their life. You don't pray to the steps.
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- Really?
| Posted On: 05/22/08 09:30:46 AM | | Age 54, VA |
I have seen a few studies showing that people who don't go through any kind of recovery program have a higher success rate than those who go through AA.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html
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- AMEN
| Posted On: 05/21/08 08:49:55 PM | | Age 61, MO |
George Cancilla
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Alcoholics Anonymous CoFounders were not Christians
| Posted On: 05/21/08 08:55:19 AM |
Age 36, GHANA |
I am a Ghanaian,(West Africa) and met AA first in one part of Texas in the US. Initially I thought it was a Christian organization trying to help victims out of substance abuse. I was on missions and doing prison ministry. Almost all the participants were smokers. Even at the meeting place they had their freedom to smoke.
At another time I had the opportunity to put up at a rehabilitation center in another state in the US, and had the opportunity to speak to another AA group. One of the group leaders was still on drugs and was a chain smoker. When I attempted to share Jesus with them, they delibrately refused and mentioned that they do not preach at such meetings which I accepted and apologized.
I think AA programs are not Christ centered and do not help participants to receive salvation. I personally doubt if they are really helping people to come out of addiction. I have been praying for them anyway.
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Very Very Sad
| Posted On: 05/21/08 07:33:33 AM |
Age 30, MN |
I don't usually get to upset when reading these articles but you should be ashamed of yourself for writing this article. Regardless if the founders were christain or not is irrelevant, I am a christain who goes to AA and there are non-christains who attend also. First I have never seen anyone "worship" the twelve steps they are simply a guide to follow through your recovery because addicts need guidance and direction to follow, that is a huge reason why they are addicts to begin with, and if you ever have read the twelve steps God is mentionmed more than once. I believe God inspired these men to start AA. AA has saved millions upon millions of lives countless families are back together, and you down grade it because of the two guys who have founded it and it isn't christain enough for you. When I go to a meeting I talk about God and if it were not for him I'd be lost, and I have news for you 98% of the people you meet at a meeting are christain. Praying to God and reading the bible sad to say usually isn't enough in this fallen world to stay sober I believe God has put AA here along with the bible and his giuidance to help us. To down grade AA and recovering alcholics because they go some where to help them stay sober that isn't christain enough for you makes me very sad for you. I could care less if the founders were pagans, I'm not, and we are not influenced in AA to folow the masons or any other pagan rituals. We say the our father at the end of every meeting!!!! and our staple prayer begins with "GOD (not buddha not satan not the masons) grant me the serenity" you need to re examine the article you wrote because you are very mis-informed.
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- Go up the page
| Posted On: 05/23/08 07:02:35 AM | | Age 30, MN |
Read age 38 from CA. titled a little bit of information is a dangerous thing. He nailed it.
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- Honor Christ our King
| Posted On: 05/22/08 10:14:50 AM | | Age 54, OR |
Sorry this upset you so much, but AA is not Christian, nor are the 12 Steps. The 12 Step program is a spiritual system where any and all gods can be inserted.
It is a system where Jesus Christ is the only God (He is the only God) who cannot be praised or glorified at meetings.
Much of the breakdown in belief in America has come through the introduction and implementation of 12 Step programs. It is here so many of us learned to make up our own gods.
I believe a wonderful thing is happening--the Body of Christ (with zero, nada, no 12 Steps) will begin to minister to alcoholics. But, first, God's people must understand that neither AA not the Steps come from Christ.
Knowledge first. Then our Lord will show us what to do. Try the Bible instead of the Big Book.
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- Not getting the point
| Posted On: 05/22/08 03:58:55 PM | | Age 30, MN |
I never said the twelve steps are god they aren't meant to be they are a tool to have guidance, and by the way I found christ at AA and he is my only king. AA is merely a tool to help us stay sober and it does work I am proof of that.
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- And another
| Posted On: 05/23/08 06:38:19 AM | | Age 30, MN |
If you want to dialogue thats great, but right away you are doing the typical christain thing these days by passing judgement on me that I read the big book more than the bible? In fact I do meditation every morning that includes 45 minutes of reading the bible. I rarely read the big book. If you have ever read the big book you would no that there are countless refrences to many bible passages that the big book encourages you to know and read from the bible.
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- Not so Sad...
| Posted On: 05/22/08 09:32:51 AM | | Age 54, VA |
AA does not have a very impressive success rate. Most of it seems to be Urban Legand.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html
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- ?????
| Posted On: 05/23/08 06:18:17 AM | | Age 30, MN |
I know approximetly 133 people who with the help of christ and yes the "evil" AA have been sober for more than 12 years. I think you should be concerned about where you are getting your info.
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- AA is anti-Biblical
| Posted On: 05/23/08 01:57:39 PM | | Age 54, OR |
If these people have been sober 12 years and are Christians, why are they still attending AA? This article was written for the Body of Christ, that we may know AA is an ungodly thing.
Really, it is not about its (anti-Biblical) origin. The question is: Does the Word of God permit us to be part of AA? No, it does not. In Galatians 1:6-9 Paul is very clear about those who bring a strange gospel. Why do people ignore clear Biblical mandates? For the exact reasons you can find at the beginning of this article: AA has them convinced they cannot remain sober without it; and it has become an idol, one that is worshiped passionately.
If someone is in AA 12 years, and is truly a Christian, one or both of these points are probably a factor.
Some people claim they are in AA so they can share the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Praise the King for that! However, it has been my experience that this is more often an excuse to remain in the AA religion. This soothes guilty consciences. In terms of boldness in the actual meetings, testifying for Christ, there is little of it.
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 tells us to come out and be separate? What, after all, does Christ have to do with Belial? Well, unfortunately, in AA, plenty.
This article is not so much for the Christians who already have AA as an idol, for these claws go deep, but for the Body of Christ, that we may begin to seek the Lord as to His will regarding alcoholics and their Salvation and sobriety.
I have very much appreciated the thoughtful responses on both sides. No one ever mentions that AA cofounder Bill Wilson's grandfather was given sobriety while (literally)on a mountain by the Lord. He marched down into his town, went straight to church, and testified. This is in Susan Cheever's biography of Bill Wilson.
Never hear about this in AA though. Old Grandpa Wilson died sober.
Christ delivers in many different ways. May our hearts be right with our King.
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- What?
| Posted On: 05/24/08 04:07:28 PM | | Age 30, MN |
It obvious you are not an alcholic or a addict. They have been sober for twelve years BECAUSE they have been consistantly going to AA. Example you see new comers right out of trearment coming to AA consistantly, and they stay clean. 99.9% percent of the time when they stop coming guess what happens in a matter of a couple weeks....They use!!!! I'll contend that there are people in AA who aren't christain and who get into other religions, but in my VAST years at AA most of the people are practiciing believing christains. They aren't substituting the twelve steps for God, and by the way that is ridiculous NOBODY WORSHIPS THE TWELVE STEPS IT IS ONLY A GUIDE. With the help of AA and GOD I have been sober for 6 years I firmly believe that God had me meet the christans I met in AA. We live in a fallen world that satans protects and addicts need all the help we can get to stay sober. Accepting christ in my life was the best thing that has ever happend to me. mI thank god for every sober day in my life. AA is a waonderful thing that has helped so many people. Rip it if you want the facts about it speak for themselves.
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