Priority: Doctrine or Practice?
| Posted On: 04/30/08 08:05:12 PM |
Age 70, NJ |
Too many Christians, some of them in influential positions, give more priority to what they see as 'serving' or putting Christianity 'into practice' and less priority to doctrine. They prefer to stay out of doctrinal disputes, which they see as a distraction from practical service.
They don't realize that doctrine is the foundation on which the practice of our faith stands. By being blind to doctrinal matters, they become gullible to the subtle wiles of the Devil. Using the excuse 'doctrine is not my gift' or 'my strong point' is shirking responsibility. You need to at least get the fundamental points correct.
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is this right?
| Posted On: 04/30/08 07:12:05 PM |
Age 21, ENGLAND |
I have attached 3 Scriptures at the bottom if this post for the consideration of the writer of this article and all those who have responded.
The way that people are discussed and talked about on this website are not God-honouring. The correct thing to do according to the Bible if somebody sins is go TO THAT PERSON and tell them, if they refuse to believe you take ONE other person with you and if they still refuse to accept they have sinned then you should take them to the elders / church leaders etc... after that treat them as you would an unbeliever.
It seems to me that all this site and its readers are interested in is telling other people how to live, taking the speck of dust out of Rob Bell's, Erwin McManus's and the Dobson's eyes.. to name just a few...
The way this website addresses these issues is gossip, slander and causing quarrels and factions... the Scriptures below point out this is wrong.. and that if i am guilty of breaking one part of the law i am guilty of breaking all of it.
I have met Erwin McManus and other leaders from his church and they are strong men of God... perhaps if you took the time to sit down and get to know them you wouldnt feel the way you do about them.
BUT.. however you feel, it is not right to attack them publically this way and I ask you to stop. What you are doing on this site contravene's what the Bible teaches about dealing with people you believe have sinned!
Proverbs 18:8 (NIV)
"The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's inmost parts."
2 Corinthians 12:20 (NIV)
"For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder."
James 2:10 (NIV)
"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."
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- Is This Right
| Posted On: 05/01/08 02:09:38 PM | | Age 60, MO |
I understand your feelings on this but Paul did not hesitate to identify those who were teaching false doctrine. He also commended the Bereans for searching the scriptures to make sure what was being taught verbally was in line with what was written. There are too many Christians today that are Biblically illiterate and false teachings must be exposed.
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- being lead to a false truth
| Posted On: 05/01/08 10:54:23 AM | | Age 46, MO |
You are perhaps confused and have been lead astray by all kind of false doctrines and teachings as it says in 2 Peter 2:1-3,
"False Teachers and Their Destruction"
1.But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2.Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3.In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. And in Revelation 22:15,
Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. You also had a great scripture you used which is 2 Corinthians 12:20, and within this scripture it warns that he fears of " factions and arrogance ". Here he is speaking of false doctrines and the arrogance of the truth. The truth lies within the bible, the Holy word of God and not with no man! The scripture tells us," seek ye the truth and the truth will set you free". Notice it says, seek YE, not believe what a man tells you. And then YOU will be set free from your bondage of false teachings that cause you to be tossed around by every wave and blown here and there by the wind.
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- Rebuking Biblically
| Posted On: 05/01/08 09:40:00 AM | | Age 35, TX |
"Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear. I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality. Do not lay hands on anyone hastily, nor share in other people’s sins; keep yourself pure."
1 Timothy 5:20-22
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- How much of what you are taught is based on biblical principles?
| Posted On: 05/01/08 09:30:10 AM | | Age 32, AR |
Beloved child, I want to quote something from Kay Authur, Lord teach me to Pray.
"How much of what is seen and heard in the media or print directed your thinking toward biblical standards and precepts? There's only one way you are going to know, my friend, and that is by getting in the Word and studying it systematically-not a verse here and a verse there, but book by book. As you do this, you will find your mind being renewed as you are confronted with absolute truth.When you come across something in the Bible that is contrary to the way you think,believe,or live,then you have had an encounter with truth and an adjustment is required.When you make that adjustment,you have renewed your mind...and the prayer of our Lord is being answered." (John 17:15-17) You must be very careful when you claim verses that you are not using them out of context.
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- Is this right?
| Posted On: 05/01/08 07:45:07 AM | | Age 55, IN |
We are NOT gossiping. We are telling the truth, and if you, and tens of thousands like you, would get you a "REAL" Bible, you would know that!
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- Matthew 18 Is For Personal Offenses
| Posted On: 04/30/08 08:28:16 PM | | Age 41, WI |
It seems the only Scriptures that evangelicals actually know and use (out of context)are "judge not lest ye be judged" and the applying of Mattthew 18 to public stands and issues. When a national media figure takes a position among evangelicals and disobeys God's clear Word, it is not a private offense. Public error demands public exposure and rebuke. Luther's 95 theses were posted on a church door, not sent in a private letter to the Pope. The Pope had publicly blasphemed the Lord and violated God's Word. As such, Luther was publicly rebuking and challenging the pope to debate on the issues that affected millions of Roman Catholics in that day. It was not a private matter. Brannon is doing the same. Someone long ago needed to put 95 theses or more on the doors of Focus on the Family in Colorado Springs demanding biblical answers for their emphasis on pop psychology and fuzzy feelings for Jesus instead of sound biblical theology. This vacuous spiritual foundation has resulted in the scandal of Shirley Dobson and H.B. London running to the Crystal Cathedral and once again endorsing the work of rank heretic, Robert Schuller. This is sin, and God has told us that judgment begins in His house. Christians are in need of some frank speech. For too long, the evangelical tolerance brigade has attempted to shut down anyone who dares point out that the emperor leading the evangelical church is wearing no clothes.
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Deceiving, and Being Deceived.
| Posted On: 04/30/08 07:04:49 PM |
Age 56, NEW ZEALAND |
All of us make mistakes, and all of us have unwitting errors in out theology, and in Christian love, we make allowances for such human weaknesses. However, I feel the sames way about the Dobsons as I do about politicians promoting the man-made global warming hoax, which is to say that it is simply not possible that these people are ignorant of the truth. Therefore, they are liars and deceivers. Is there the remotest chance that Shirley Dobson does not know what Schuller preaches, or that she is too silly to recognize these things as blatant heresy? Of course not. Therefore, with the words "Thank you Dr Schuller for the good work you are doing here", she and her organization lost forever any claim on the allegiance of God's people. Let her fellow apostates finance her from here on in. Read II Tim.3 once more, and have done with such "evil men and seducers".
- Mac
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Amen!
| Posted On: 04/30/08 06:29:53 PM |
Age 39, TN |
Amen Brannon! I have been waiting for you to explode over the Dobsons for awhile.
Diana
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On Dobson and the Emergent Apostate Church
| Posted On: 04/30/08 06:10:18 PM |
Age 64, OR |
Since psychology is a pseudo-science Dr. Dobson is not a recognized Christian authority leader. Psychology has no place in the authentic Christian church just as "witchcraft" is apart from Christianity (Deut. 18:9-10). True Christians have a Biblical directive to "come out from amongst them" not be absorbed into their beliefs. For many so-called evangelicals they've become conflicted between liberal emergent apostates and authentic Christianity. To those, it may be counted as being confused and misguided...evidence of not having mature pastoral guidance or clear understanding of God's Word...or even being taught the Word, Book by Book, Chapter by Chapter, Verse by Verse. This is an exceeding weakness in most churches. A revival to getting back to first century Christianity is sorely needed in the post-modern church.
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covering angel
| Posted On: 04/30/08 05:39:22 PM |
Age 45, OK |
Satan is indeed dangerous not by direct conflict, but by taking the word and twisting it. ie sexual relations in a marriage is biblical and beautiful, satan takes this and twists and distorts to all kinds of abominations. As far as religion, it is not (at first) weirdos around a bonfire sacrificing someone, it is Christianity in form but not substance, it has a twist. the great deceiver is good at what he does, he does not have a pitchfork and horns with red jammies, he works and takes form and uses dupes with such vehicles as the emergent church. IT is the work of satan, those promoting it have a new father. Pray for them.
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Show them the money, honey
| Posted On: 04/30/08 05:06:04 PM |
Age 39, GA |
I don't know about you, but I think James and Shirley Dobson are doing an *awesome* job leading Focus on the Money! They have lucrative relationships with so many wonderful people--they should be able to retire very comfortably and in style. I mean, what better way to spend your life than carrying out the nice, easy, profitable, comfortable work of the Gospel, right? By the way, did I say "profitable"? ;)
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Deceived
| Posted On: 04/30/08 04:34:49 PM |
Age 40, MS |
I greatly appreciate your article. Open communication like this will help us hold each other accountable. I don't think the Dobson's have been deceived. I think they are compromising for the sake of promoting Christ's agenda. That doesn't work. I pray that they are confronted by their error, realize their mistake, and publicly set the record straight.
I do disagree with your last comment though. You said "I plead with Dr. Dobson and Mrs. Dobson not to be part of the elect that will be deceived in the last days by false teaching as the Bible says will occur." The Bible does not say that. Mark 13:22 says that the false prophets would deceive even the elect if it were possible. But thank God it is not possible!
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Dobson, on the broad road
| Posted On: 04/30/08 04:32:40 PM |
Age 58, NJ |
I once heard DR. Dobson say that the pope (last pope) was one of the greatest Christians of the century.
Also, he promotes Huge Ross, who is a progressive creationist. Progressive creationist need to compromise the Bible so it can reflect what the world of science believes.
thanks for you article
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All about status and money
| Posted On: 04/30/08 03:38:50 PM |
Age 56, KS |
The Dobson's aren't in agreement with the Emergent Church. However, It is very simple to discern why they show their face anywhere. It is all about keeping Focus On the Family in the lime lite and keeping the money coming in, nothing more.
Rick Morrison
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