nothing wrong in naming names
| Posted On: 05/01/08 09:36:39 AM |
Age 62, DE |
Well, for the first time in a long time I see most of the people agree on this issue, except one so far. I don't know all the scriptures, but listening to our pastor Sunday night, he was calling names and WARNING his people about who is preaching false doctrine. If names are not being named, then how will we watch out for the false teachers. I want to thank this site for not being ashamed to name names....keep up the good work, and GOD BLESS YOU AL!!!!
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thanks
| Posted On: 05/01/08 09:26:29 AM |
Age 69, TN |
Brannon,where have you been? I have been reading reports about Dobson and his organization lending credibility to these leaders of false religions for quite some time.
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WELL SAID
| Posted On: 05/01/08 09:15:16 AM |
Age 51, IL |
So well said! Thank you for saying all that I wanted to say but could have never found such eloquent words to say!
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Eye Opener
| Posted On: 05/01/08 09:13:14 AM |
Age 54, TN |
First I would like to thank Brannon for opening my eyes to this. I may not have heard it otherwise. I've admired the Dobson's for a long time and listened to his radio program many times. I am shocked that they would have anything to do with the Emergent church. It just goes to prove how carefully & prayerfully we need to listen to exactly what people are teaching and ask God to give us discernment.
Second, I would like to respond to "is this right". If this was one person in a church that wasn't televised worldwide,who committed a sin, then yes, you would be correct. But think about it. This wrong teaching is reaching millions of people worldwide. If the public is not made aware, and the party in question doesn't give clarification to what they believe, then many people will remain deceived due to lack of awareness or biblical knowledge & discernment. I don't believe what this site is doing in this case is gossip, or wrong. Brannon, along with many of us, just want to know clearly where Dr. Dobson stands.
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- thanks...
| Posted On: 05/01/08 01:11:48 PM | | Age 21, ENGLAND | ... thanks for your reasonable response to what i wrote in "is this right?".
firstly perhaps i chose the wrong article to repond to as i dont know anything about Schuller and have very little knowledge of the Dobsons other than what my parents have told me.
My point was a more general one regarding the attitude of this site.. it is so hateful. I have met a couple of the leaders from Mosaic (Erwin McManus and Eric Bryant) and one of their biggest problems is that people who write on sites like this never approach them.
At the Origins conference at Mosaic last year somebody was there and blogging about all the "heretic" things they apparantly heard, however when an announcement was made saying the leaders like Eric Bryant and Erwin McManus would love to actually discuss why they hate their church so much, nobody ever came forward. People, especially journalists like the ones on this site, think they can say what they want from the comfort of their offices at their computer desks, but shy away from an actual discussion about the issues.
Many of the articles on this site take wildly out of context a lot of the words of Rob Bell and Erwin McManus. It is obvious when reading their material and listening to their messages over a long period of time that what the writers on this site claim Bell and McManus believe are not even close to their actual beliefs.
A site like this could do so much good but instead it just operates as a bitter outlet for its writers against other people. Writers like McManus and Bell and others dont focus on all the "wrongs" in the world because they like to focus on the positive things people can do. This doesnt mean they lack moral teachings: their teachings on moral issues such as sex before marriage, homosexuality etc are all in line with the Bible.. and even from what I have gathered through actually listening to and reading their work, their theological beliefs arent that different from the mainstream either.
The problem is that this site misrepresents them, but God's people will be recognised by their fruits, and having met some of these leaders I can tell you they are humble, they are bearing great fruits and bringing many people to know Christ. And lots of people I know (including myself) have been inspired by their works to get out and bring people to know God. After all, wasnt that Jesus' last command before he went up into Heaven???
Thanks for your response, perhaps as i said this was the wrong article to reply in.. but it just seemed like the writer was giving yet another verbal bashing to another Christian preacher that i felt I should say something to question what he was doing! Click here to reply to this post
- Going tto a brother
| Posted On: 05/01/08 08:00:20 PM | | Age 54, MI | Scripture calls us to go to a brother who personally offends us. What Rob Bell, Dr. Dobson, et al do is public so it requires a public response.
The problem with many is that a critical analysis of beliefs and actions is automatically deemed "hate". Where does Mr. Howse say we should hate anyone? He is simply challenging their actions which do not conform to Biblical standards?
According to your standard, you are doing hate speech because you are saying that Mr. Howse is saying hate speech. Isn't that judgemental? Why didn't you write him directly instead of on this feedback form?
by the way, I HAVE personally written Dr. Dobson on some concerns about his view that low self-esteem is why kids do bad (rather than viewing those actions as sins) and all I got a form letter back thanking me for my correspondence.
Experience has shown the that FOF is not very discerning about their theology and only about expanding their ministry. Click here to reply to this post
A Call to Act
| Posted On: 05/01/08 08:13:23 AM |
Age 33, ME |
The following is an email I sent to our local Christian radio station along with Branons aritcle: Dear WHCF staff,
I am writing in concern for information we have found recently regarding a ministry you project by your station. My husband, Brent, and myself have supported WHCF many years in the past and have been blessed my your station much over those years. Please, thoughtfully consider this information we are passing on to you. It is our responsibilty, before God, to uphold the Truth of the gospel and the authority of Scripture and to, in the process, be above reproach and to flee the pretense of evil. This includes the caution we must exhibit regarding the ministries we (individually and cooperately) support and endorse. Satan knows that attack from without the Church is nowhere near as effective as a subvertive attack from within. Again, please consider the information we are sending and may you desire to know the truth for yourselves, be propelled to dig further for the truth or lies behind this report. And may our God grant you the strength of His Spirit to act accordingly. Thank you again, for your time and consideration.
I hope others will be motivated by this to contact those ministries they know that have aligned themselves with FOTF.
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Foundation of Scripture
| Posted On: 05/01/08 07:02:52 AM |
Age 29, MO |
Thanks for speaking to this subject. I think you nailed the central issue when you mentioned deviation from the authority of scripture. This is true of all cults and false religions. They either question what God's word clearly says (as Satan did in the garden)or they take only a portion of the truth to make it more palatable. When the authority of the Bible is abandoned, only error can result. Daniel KC
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Nazarene denomination promotes Emergent
| Posted On: 04/30/08 09:57:36 PM |
Age 51, OH |
After investigating the grip of the emergent movement on the Nazarene denomination, (of which the Dobson's are a part of) my family and I left that denomination entirely after investing 24 years of our lives with that church.
What I found after trying to sound the alarm to leaders was denial, shrugged shoulders, apathy, and accusations of being against 'change'.
Focus has alot of Nazarene employees on staff, I suspect. Unless the General Superintendents of the Nazarene Church comes out against the Emergent Church, Focus on the Family likely will not.
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Dobsons and the Emergent Church
| Posted On: 04/30/08 09:34:47 PM |
Age 75, KS |
Branonon,
This is very disturbing. We has supported FOTF for 15 years, and have received much help, personal help, from that organization, in some very trying times.
Do I understand you have personally attempted to talk to them about this question, and have had no response?
We need some answers on this.......
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Fred
| Posted On: 04/30/08 08:39:28 PM |
Age 52, OH |
Mr. Dobson has dabbled in the realm of humanism for a long time. Though many times he gives biblical advise, other times it is just Freudism galore. This lining up with Emergent leaders and CGM leaders is unacceptable. He needs to get away from psychology and get back to some Biblical theology. He seems to have gotten off track.
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- Dr. Dobson and Mrs. Dobson & Emergent Church
| Posted On: 05/01/08 10:57:59 AM | | Age 55, TX | I withdrew myself from listening to Dr. Dobson a long time ago. His messages started sounding off as very humanistic and also gave the impression that self-love was more important than GOD-love. It is my belief that their aligning themselves with Dr. Robert Schuller is just further proof of what the HOLY SPIRIT showed me a long time ago. I am not surprised at all. I never listened to Dr. Schuller, even as a newborn babe. The word teaches us try the spirit by the spirit. If you are truly saved than you will know what is of GOD and what is not. Click here to reply to this post
My Thought
| Posted On: 04/30/08 08:27:13 PM |
Age 38, VA |
I like many of the shows, (usually preachers), on Focus, but the E-church is dangerous I hope he clears it up soon. I know we should be praying for him.
I don't know about all the money stuff and his motives, they seem genuine. Maybe the ones bashing him about money should earn their own doctorate and get a high paying job, there's nothing wrong with that!
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- tell it to Paul
| Posted On: 05/01/08 06:10:53 AM | | Age 50, AUSTRALIA | it seems only in America is someone who professes to lay down their life to preach Christ and yet earns an enormous salary not questioned. I think you are mistaking the kingdom of God with the Kingdom of this world Click here to reply to this post
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