The Best Case Against Christian Music, the Psalms
| Posted On: 05/08/08 09:41:23 AM |
Age 48, OH |
If you follow thru with this logic, I should return the CD's I bought of yours. What is the address to return them and get a refund? There is a whole book in the Bible of music, Psalms. Ok, enough joking around. When someone has been hurt,they need the body of Christ to help them. The right part of the body of Christ, sometimes this is the Counselor. You might what to post in your next article any further thoughts on this subject. Jeff
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Ignorance is dangerous
| Posted On: 04/30/08 08:58:33 AM |
Age 36, MN |
This article is dangerous. Well intending people of faith may read it and deny themselves or their children the very intervention that could save them from unnecessary pain, destructive behaviors and suicide. The Bible tells us to seek out counselors, and that doesn't just mean your resident Bible scholar. This article is not only misguieded, but factually wrong. It's based on a caricature of a particular brand of therapy known as psychoanalysis--the traditional Freudian variety. This does not represent 99% of the therapy done, and my graduate training in clinical psychology hardley prepared me to deal with people in that way. Yes, psychology does have a history of antireligious protagonists, but even the APA is coming around to the value of religion. See "Psychology and Christianity: Four Views" edited by Eric L. Johnson and Stanton L. Jones for an excellent EDUCATED discussion on this topic.
I am further troubled by Steve's inept application of scripture and his shoddy hermeneutics, but that's an issue for another day.
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DO NOT JUDGE THE LORD SERVANTS
| Posted On: 04/27/08 10:25:42 PM |
Age 64, OH |
Luke was a medical doctor and I see nowhere in scripture where he, the apostles, or Jesus denounced Luke as a doctor. If we can have doctors of the body then doctors for the mind are just as valid. People have made idols out of both medical doctors and psychologists instead of looking to the Lord Jesus. But the fact that these people have done evil by their idolatry does not make ALL doctors or the psychologists evil. People read the Bible and do evil by misunderstanding it. That does NOT make the Bible evil. For every GIFT of God there is a counterfeit from the Devil. But the counterfeit does NOT make the real gift evil. It seems most psychologist are in error and leading people into drugs and trusting in them and NOT god. But there are men called of God to study the problems of the mind and use the scriptures to point people to the Lord Jesus Christ. BE VERY CAREFUL - IT IS A EVIL THING TO CALL THE SERVANTS OF THE LORD WHO GIVE THEIR LIFE TO JESUS, EVIL. I personally know a humble psychologists who is lame and uses the scriptures to help people. By his knowledge of the mind he can see where they have not followed the scriptures and calls them to repentance. This man helped me more than any pastor ever did. He is a friend and servant of Jesus and I would not want to call him a false servant. I would fear Jesus his friend. It seems many pastors gather people after themselves and are wolves, but they do not make ALL pastors evil do they. Lou
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Oh Boy
| Posted On: 04/24/08 08:25:20 PM |
Age 40, NH |
Past the caricature of those in the psych profession and how they go about attempting to help people, this article displays a lack of knowledge about the role of Scripture and of counseling.
1. Scripture is sufficient
2. Counseling is not evil
3. Counseling others with the Scriptures is the (obviously) biblical model
4. Quoting chapter and verse usually doesn't do squat
5. Utilizing Scripture to speak to that person in need so they understand Him and how the Scripture applies to that person is the way
6. True counseling is using Scripture to help others grow, heal or prepare for the future.
7. Understanding the truth and lie within each preset counseling theory is key. Much like heretics, they have a piece of the truth and take that truth to the illogical and unbiblical extreme (humanity versus deity debates throughout history are a good example)
8. Brother, you have born a false witness (at least in description of those in the field) and they should be apologized to.
Grace and Peace,
Jim
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Oh, how I chuckled
| Posted On: 04/24/08 04:55:29 PM |
Age 26, JAPAN |
So filled with spite and pious nonsense this article was. The ring of truth it did not have.
Enough with the Yoda speak. Let me ask one questions:
1) When was the last time psychologists started a war? And what percentage of wars are based on religion?
Answered it? Now tell you still think religion in the answer to all your woes?
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Psychology . . . Man's attempt to heal the soul
| Posted On: 04/24/08 02:59:20 PM |
Age 54, CA |
Call it what you want . . . psychology was invented by man to deal with the problems that were meant to be handled by God. It is man's attempt to heal the soul, with or without God.
Unfortunately, too many Christians have been sucked up into the whole industry. Every major Christian college offers training in psychology. It has been accepted as science, but it deals with spiritual issues . . . guilt, repentance, forgiveness, selfishness, hatred: These are all spiritual matters that can only be handled by the Great Physician.
Pastors need to be ready to lead people to the Great Healer. Unfortunately, too many pastors also buy into the "science" of psychology and recommend counseling instead of speaking from the wisdom presented in the scriptures.
A Christian counsellor friend of mine recently lamented the fact that he had wasted 30 years of his life trying to help people by applying the wisdom of man.
So, Steve, when you expose the fact that the emperor has no clothes, you can expect that the millions of people trapped in the false "science" of psychology will start kicking and screaming. I think that the bitter responses you have received point that out.
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- THE PHARISEES CALLED JESUS THE DEVIL
| Posted On: 04/28/08 09:46:10 AM | | Age 64, OH |
Certainly the Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of all that exists and the person who has Christ has everything and lacks not one thing. Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life. I have been miraculously healed by The Great Physician many, many times. One time I had a bone broken in my hand that was bent at a angle so anyone could see it was broken. It was swollen and black and blue and very painful. Jesus healed my hand in an instant and made the bone straight, the swelling and black and blue were all gone in a second. Jesus once sent me to the hospital and I seen a woman there that was told she would die within the hour. She had complete kidney failure and was so weak she could hardly talk. The Lord told me to pray for her and she stood up in the bed and said Jesus healed her. They examined her and said her kidneys were working fine and sent her home. But once I had the shingles and I prayed for healing and nothing happened. I waited several days and it was very painful. After more prayer, I felt the Holy Spirit was telling me to take the medication the doctor had given me and I did. The pain was gone in several days. Are you telling me that it is a sin to go to a medical doctor. Does not God give a gift to certain men to help the Lord heal them through medicine. Is not the mind also part of our being. Can not Jesus send someone to help those with problems of the mind. Would you lump those sent by Jesus with those who are serving themselves or even the Devil. I know a Chiropractor who loves Jesus and prays for help from Jesus while working on every single patient. Would you call him evil. Lou
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3rd member of the trinity.
| Posted On: 04/24/08 08:53:12 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Steve: I would disagree a tad with your article by saying the BEST is not Scripture but the Holy Spirit. The scriptures attest to Christ but the Spirit brings them to life. If we are guided by the Spirit; we will never fail, we always have hope, we will follow Scripture, we have purpose and joy, and we have salvation. Many follow Scripture, interpreted by SELF, to their own destruction, but He who follows THE WORD (Christ) has life. Christ gave us Himself in the Spirit- having the Spirit is by far greater than having a book. Amen? John
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Accurately handling the word of truth
| Posted On: 04/23/08 11:50:46 PM |
Age 50, OR |
God's word is Sufficient! What we are short in is workmen who accurately handle the word of truth. I recently attended a training seminar put on by the National Association of Nouthetic Counselors.(Nouthetic means from the Bible) We as Christians should be able to give hope to people in need. It is hard work to be equipt, but we need to be light in a very dark and hurting world.
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- Seems we are one of few who think Yahweh is sufficient
| Posted On: 04/25/08 08:35:46 PM | | Age 45, NJ |
It's a sad commentary that Jesus is not sufficient for those professing their trust in Him, that we need something more. I know there are few who need drugs and many many many more who need to surrender to His sovereignty.
The Bible is sufficient for the teaching and reproof we need, and The Spirit of God working through the hands and mouths of Mature Believers are Yahweh's best tools to heal the brokenhearted, feed the poor and dress the wounded.
Patrick J Burwell/Patrick@OnlyJesusSaves.com
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JESUS SPEAKS BY THE MEANS THAT HE CHOOSES
| Posted On: 04/23/08 09:34:10 PM |
Age 64, OH |
I was once sent to a psychologist who was a Christian and in a few minutes he was able to point me to the heart of Jesus more than any Christian who was a pastor. The study of the mind is not evil for the mind was created by our dear Lord. Not all Psychologists are evil and not all pastors are good. It is NOT what a man chooses to study that makes him evil or good to seek out. But it is WHO that man looks to for guidance. Just as it is good to ask another man what he sees in the scriptures and discuss them with him to seek out the voice of the Lord Himself; it is also OK to ask another man about our bodies or minds and hope to learn what the Lord is trying to say to us about the mind or body. Can not the Lord speak even through unbelievers as He did the donkey. Many men read the scriptures and have gone on crusades or inquisitions and killed millions. Does that make the scriptures evil, of course not. The pharisees looked to the scriptures and were lost. The disciples looked to the one who wrote the scriptures and were saved. Some men worship the sun but that does NOT make the sun evil for it was created by the Lord and He said it was good. The Lord has spoke to me through many ways and many people but mostly through the scriptures. But any way the Lord chooses to speak is up to Him for he is sovereign and is the Lord. He leads and I only follow. If The Lord sends someone to a Psychologist would you call the Lord wrong. Certainly we should be looking to the Lord and not the Psychologist who is but a tool in His hand. Did not the Holy Spirit speak through the high priest who was the man who sought to kill Jesus. Lou
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- Give me an example
| Posted On: 04/24/08 05:12:53 AM | | Age 54, VA |
Can you show me from the Bible where God sent someone to a psychologist? I can't. Therefore would God do it today. No!
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- THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ORIGINAL COUNSELOR
| Posted On: 04/27/08 10:03:32 PM | | Age 64, OH |
This is too easy. The Lord Jesus told us that He would send us a Counselor. The Wonderful Counselor of the Holy Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ has been counseling all that would come to Him. Jesus is the Creator of the mind and is the original psychologist. Certainly Jesus studies the minds that He has created. He even says that we should stay our mind on Him. certainly we are called to be like Jesus. Jesus is the original Prophet and he calls men to be Prophets. The same is true for evangelist, teachers and pastors. Then Jesus calls men to be COUNSELORS and to study the mind also. I am not to look to a psychologists or a pastor. I am to look to the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the original healer and he calls men to heal people both by the gift of healing by prayer and by being called to be a doctor. Why would you even pretend to know the will of God for others. People are to seek God for themselves and hear Him for themselves. Show me a scripture that says we are forbidden to see a psychologist. Lou
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- Truth is true because it is
| Posted On: 04/27/08 08:23:57 AM | | Age 47, MO |
Friend: You are missing a crucial point. Truth is true where ever it's found. Creation is not true because God said its true, creation is true because it is. God is I am because there is no other. So, it's not boasting to be God, He is what He is. My point is that a counselor who speaks truth to a situation is just as good as the "book" that speaks truth to a situation. God will use whatever means he desires to speak the truth in our lives; it could be others, pain and suffering, love, calamity, nature, the cosmo's...even a donkey. Remember, scripture is nothing without Spirit discernment and one of many ways God speaks to us. Amen? John
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A Sorely Misguided Article
| Posted On: 04/23/08 07:11:26 PM |
Age 60, CA |
Dear Steve,
As a Christian who is as into apologetics and theology as you are, I find your article problematic at best. I am the product of years of therapy due to an extremely abusive childhood. My counselor was a stellar example of godliness and pointed me towards Christ in all things and through that one healthy relationship I was healed over a number of years. The church failed me.
As for the fees counselors charge, you really need to get educated. Counselors in CA not only earn a Masters level education, but also are required to do 3000 hours of unpaid internship. It is not a high paying field. Also if the church did it's job instead of screwing people over, most Christians wouldn't need a safe place to go to be heard and loved unconditionally....and believe it or not therapists really do care about their clients...maybe not all of them, but the ones I know do.
Maybe you should get some therapy, because the love of Christ isn't as apparent in you, as it was my counselor and all your knowledge of scripture is like a clanging cymbal.
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- AMEN
| Posted On: 04/25/08 01:58:32 AM | | Age 26, IN |
amen to that, brother. too many people are burned by "the church". It's safer to see a counselor. Also, Steve, why did you proof-text instead of using the WHOLE word of God? I think there are times in the Proverbs where it talks of "wise counsel"?? Psychology isn't a failed field. Human beings do have psychological needs. The Bible isn't an owner's manual and shouldn't be treated as one. It's a book that talks about the gift of Salvation. Believe it or not...there ARE some subjects it doesn't touch on. God did give us minds to think. Use yours and stop prooftexting..it's an abuse of the Word.
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