Enough is enough!
| Posted On: 04/16/08 10:28:09 AM |
Age 38, GA |
The very reason for the title is simple.Enough is enough.Why?We have seen what happens when man turns his back on God.We have seen what happens when Christians lay dormant,and don't use the power that has been given unto them by God himself.Our children have suffered because of this.Evolution has not only left a blood stained legacy,but countless people are roaming this earth,and await an eternal torment because they have been betrayed.Millions of students of our schools and universities thought they could believe what their teachers were telling them was indeed the truth.But to no avail,we have found out the hard way.Man is fallible.The heart is wicked and deceitful.Who can know it?The only way to stop the bloodshed is through prayer without ceasing,and being specific in our prayers.Not only that,but we must teach our children how to trust in the lord,and look right through these people that are decieving the world.We all could discuss all day,and in great detail the pitfalls and lies of evolutionary belief,but it can and will fall onto reprobate minds.Especailly when it comes to an adult that has been indoctrinated.The humanists,and we could name some names and organizations at this point,that know the only way to turn hearts and minds from God is get them young.Start them off early.That is why our children are at risk.They believe that they can destroy God and his word in this manner.It's time for Christians to fight.Meek does not mean weak.We must hold fast to the promises of God,and get up,and fight.There is tons of literature out there so the thinking minds of the world.If information is what they want,then that is what we can give them.Christians,be angry and sin not.Don't give up.Don't give in.Don't throw in the towel.Get in the trenches and fight.
In Christ,
Derek
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Who Do You Believe, Jesus or Darwin?
| Posted On: 04/15/08 10:12:03 PM |
Age 81, TX |
Jesus said to those in His day, "You wouldn't believe Moses and you won't believe Me." Moses said that God created the heavens and the earth in six days (the word "day" meant a literal 24-hour day), and Jesus said that God created the heavens and the earth. I would rather believe Jesus, the Son of God, who is alive ever more, than Darwin, who is dead and even doubted later in life that evolution could be proven (and it hasn't). Rex Willcox, Carrollton, TX
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The Processes
| Posted On: 04/15/08 09:33:15 PM |
Age 72, AR |
If one truly believes God created man, Earth and universe, he must also believe that she also created the processes like tides, winds and evolution. Thinking is perhaps the most marvelous of all the processes, but is evident in this article only for having been displaced by irrationality. Evolution, like the timing and height of the tides and power of the wind, is something to be learned and understood. It is not something that needs to be believed. All people interested in other things, other pursuits, need to know about evolution is that it works. That it has worked repeatedly and continues to work today, and has never failed to function. It is not responsible for the origination of life, but it is responsible for turning basic life into functioning organisms of all sorts, and for doing so many times over, most notably after all five mass extinctions but more quietly as a continuing process. It is irrational, and deleterious to man's well-being, to fight knowledge, of which evolution is an important portion.
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- Evolution is not true but neither is blind faith
| Posted On: 04/19/08 11:43:52 AM | | Age 47, MO |
Friend: You wrote: "If you consider yourself an individual and accept that God granted you the right to explore the world he created with your own mind, research the subject by yourself, and you will discover the truth." This is a good statement and I would encourage you to do the same. However, the problem with your POV and the religious POV is that they are both based on blind ignorance. The truth about our origins are found in Scripture and in proven scientific evidence, not in blind faith and unsubstantiated theories. When we both are honest with ourselves, we will find that the earth is a lot older than Christians want to believe and that micro-evolution is true. We will also find that there MUST be a CREATOR, and that macro-evolution is a leap of faith for those who can't stomach the thought of GOD. John
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- Evolution and Survival of the Fittest
| Posted On: 04/18/08 10:22:36 AM | | Age 46, AR |
So if you believe in evolution, then you must know that this comes about because of the natural acts of the survival of the fittest. If this is the case, then, remember, each man (generic term)can do whatever necessary to obtain what he needs and wants and any who opposes him and ends up hurt or dead in the process must remember in those final moments, that it is just a factor of evolution. Only the strong and smart will survive. And please tell me WHY would we want to waste OUR time and OUR resources helping someone else.
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- irrational
| Posted On: 04/17/08 05:12:52 PM | | Age 44, IL |
Why do you think we can think?because God gave us a reasoning mind and a conscience.God created those things in man,not evolution. HE created everything,do you understand,everything.evolution is not proven,it is a THEORY. Show me a transitional fossil...can't do it because there are none.And if things are evolving as you say,then where is the PROOF of this?
Everything works in harmony because God created everything.Period.It is more harmful to man when he is being deceived by such nonsense as the theory of evolution.
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- SHE???? was that a TYPO?
| Posted On: 04/17/08 04:51:37 PM | | Age 48, TX |
If you actually mean SHE, I disagree... please provide your proof He is a she. Thanks
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Disappointing
| Posted On: 04/15/08 08:08:22 PM |
Age 55, AL |
I'm a devout Christian, and the fact that you are preaching this close-mindedness in this day and age is silly. Its childs play. Evolution is based on centuries of empirical data. It is based on very simple, very logical principles, supported IN PARALLEL by research done in biogeography, biochemistry, anatomy, embryology, etc. There is a WEALTH of information supporting evolution in every aspect of science that touches upon it.
Seriously. When people find out the church is unwilling to coexist with logic and science, THEN you will find people turning their backs. More damage than good, Mr. Comfort, more damage than good. God Bless, and I hope for your one life through God that you don't remain so ignorant.
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- Creation v. Evolution
| Posted On: 04/17/08 01:27:45 PM | | Age 29, KS |
Anyone who claims to be a devout Christian, but discredits the first chapters of the Bible leaves a lot to chance. If you want to assume that God was wrong about how He made the universe, that's fine. How does the rest of the Bible sit with you? How do you explain the reason that Jesus died for your sins? If there was death and bloodshed before Adam, why did God say it was "Very Good"? I believe that you can call yourself a Christian and believe that Jesus died for you without beliving what I just wrote above. At some point, though, in your spiritual growing, you need to ask yourself the 'why' questions.
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- Disappointment?
| Posted On: 04/17/08 10:39:29 AM | | Age 23, WI |
The fact is, Mr. "Devout Christian", that those who don't believe, need to know why we are different. We can't just blend in and remain "politically correct". It is the difference in us that will set the world free. Would you rather be polite and let someone go to hell, or tell someone the truth (though it may not be easy) and see them in eternity? Safe comfort for cowards. If you aren't willing to tell someone the truth, then who are you to accept the gift that Christ gave you. You are wasting it.
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- Devout Christian? That's disappointing...
| Posted On: 04/17/08 01:01:51 AM | | Age 52, GA |
My dear sir, if you were a devout Christian, you wouldn't call a brother, and a valiant defender of the faith ignorant. A devout Christian would view these verses and the ones I mention further on as inspired holy scripture - "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:... So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Gen. 1:26-27 One thing that many have overlooked in this debate, is that the deceiver has been at work from the beginning. The old man, the dragon, the liar, the father of all lies, has been at it a long time. Are you too smart for the deceiver? Have all the scientists in the world outsmarted him? Do they now have it all figured out, and his tricks and lies have all been uncovered? Is your spiritual discernment such that, now you have complete clarity, and the Word of God is simply a byline to the real story figured out by us humans? If you look to our Lord's example, He only responded to the liar with scripture. Why did he do that? Was he not smart enough or man enough or Godly enough to deal with satan off the cuff? Be sure of what you now see, which is as through a glass darkly, according to scripture my brother... Thus I refer you to these verses - "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:3-9 If you'll recall, doubting the Word of God as suggested by the tempter, to Eve in the beginning, is what got us into this mess. That is, if you are fundamentally a Bible believer? Follow our Lord's example, have faith, and banish doubt. That is the way, He is the way! Porter +++
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- Proof
| Posted On: 04/16/08 09:32:03 PM | | Age 50, SD |
I am glad the writer is a "devout Christian", however he defines that. But in answering Ray's article he talks about centuries of empirical data and states some of the simple and logical principles supporting evolution. What kind of "evolution" are you talking about here? Is it that life that came into being by accident, and mutated into all the different forms of life? Ok. Where is the proof? Where are your transitional forms? What one thing changed into another kind of thing? If you have the proof, the "wealth of information", then show us, where are the transitional forms?
On the other hand, if the kind of "evolution" you are talking about is that of variation within a kind of creature (microevolution), I doubt there is any argument.
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- Why So Close-Minded?
| Posted On: 04/16/08 03:00:38 PM | | Age 28, AZ |
"I'm a devout Christian, and the fact that you are preaching this close-mindedness in this day and age is silly."
I agree with this. I am neither a devout theist or atheist, since both are extremely close minded. But Ray Comfort and many of the commenters here are being extremely narrow-minded. I hear the website admin is also deleting 'atheist' comments (though the ones I have seen are insulting and inappropriate, no so blame there...).
But I just don't see how anyone outside of the Christian Worldview Network can take any of this seriously. Ray isn't questioning anything, he's taking the Bible at face value. Is this not a complete intolerance against anyone who doesn't share the same exact point of view?
I send the same message to non-believers who refuse to acknowledge religious teachings. Atheists can be just as close minded.
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- devout fool
| Posted On: 04/17/08 12:54:38 PM | | Age 46, IRELAND |
How can you class yourself as devout or a devotee of Christ and suggest the scriptures are intolerant is not Christ the fullfilment of every jot and tittle
in the scripture , he said before abraham i was . In the beginning God Made ! what is your problem with that ? Is Christ a liar
Do you believe his literal word ? I would love to know .
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- Once Again...Proof?
| Posted On: 04/17/08 12:49:15 PM | | Age 50, SD |
Discussing "close-mindedness" is all well and good folks. But not one of you accusing Ray of being close or narrow minded has answered the question. Please stop diverting the issue into something that doesn't matter. End the debate already. If you have the evidence of transitional forms then produce it. Show us the evidence where one kind of creature changed into a different kind of creature. You claim this took place, well, where is the evidence. There should be billions of fossils to show that process if it happened.
On the other hand my friends, if there is no evidence, who is being narrow-minded by believing this took place, regardless of where the evidence leads?
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let's think about this
| Posted On: 04/15/08 07:54:01 PM |
Age 46, WI |
When we refute others comments if we are Christian's dealing with Christian's we should be looking to scripture to help us. In Dt 32:39 “See now that I myself am He!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.
The Holy Bible : New International Version. electronic ed. Grand Rapids : Zondervan, 1996, c1984, S. Dt 32:39
This clearly says there is but One God not many.
Dt 32:44 44 Moses came with Joshuah son of Nun and spoke all the words of this song in the hearing of the people. 45 When Moses finished reciting all these words to all Israel, 46 he said to them, “Take to heart all the words I have solemnly declared to you this day, so that you may command your children to obey carefully all the words of this law. 47 They are not just idle words for you—they are your life.
The Holy Bible : New International Version. electronic ed. Grand Rapids : Zondervan, 1996, c1984, S. Dt 32:44-47
Dt 31:15 15 Then the Lord appeared at the Tent in a pillar of cloud, and the cloud stood over the entrance to the Tent. 16 And the Lord said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your fathers, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. 17 On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?’
The Holy Bible : New International Version. electronic ed. Grand Rapids : Zondervan, 1996, c1984, S. Dt 31:15-17
There is danger in taking up other (secular) idea's and embracing them. The unbeliever can not see the truth. 2 Cor 4:3
3 If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Tyndale House Publishers: Holy Bible : New Living Translation. 2nd ed. Wheaton, Ill. : Tyndale House Publishers, 2004, S. 2 Co 4:3-4
I thank you Ray for being faithful to God and writing article's that trigger the minds of other believer's. You may not all agree with Ray's idea's but you will have to admit that he loves the Lord Jesus Christ and is willing to take criticism from both Christian bothers and sisters and those who are lost. Beware Brothers and Sisters in Christ, the secular world is on the attack. Which side are you on?
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This is a test?
| Posted On: 04/15/08 04:35:26 PM |
Age 56, CA |
Look, the facts are the facts. It's how you choose to interpret them that makes the difference. The fossil record is what it is. Observation is observation. We tend to agree on what we see (altough not always, just ask an accident investigator). It's all about interpretation. That is where science becomes speculation. The Bible says that God (we all know who He is) created everything in six days. There is no scientific evidence to the contrary, only interpretations, projections and speculations. Still, you don't have to believe that to be saved. Our perfection is not derived from our effort but from faith granted us by God's grace. It's fruitless try to prove what faith has revealed because then it is no longer faith. Believe what you will but know that what you conclude is not evidentiary science but simply another faith.
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Intelligent Design
| Posted On: 04/15/08 04:21:17 PM |
Age 80, AUSTRALIA |
Ray I think your answer needs to be clearer.
Many who believe in intelligent design believe in evolution. They call it thiestic evolution. Intelligent design leaves the door open for Christians to accommadate evolution.
Man was created on the sixth day according to my Bible.
I would like WOTM to be as clear in the teaching of creation as you are in presenting the gospel through your tracts,which I use, and your open air ministry.
Lloyddownunder
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Evolution Theory is not science
| Posted On: 04/15/08 03:43:51 PM |
Age 63, FL |
Ray, I think you struck a nerve with this one. The Theo-evolutionist's are ashamed to get off the fence and accept God's word as the truth. Good science is something that can be measured, tested, and applied with the same results every time. Math is an example of a real science. Evolution goes against every known science and bends every rule. Common sense will tell you that the Earth can not be that old. Rate of decay of the Sun, salinity of the oceans are just a couple. Both Creationism and Evolution are "theories" and neither can be proven. The more "real" science is applied along with common sense, it's easy to accept God's word as the truth.
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re: i'm shocked
| Posted On: 04/15/08 02:55:08 PM |
Age 34, AL |
Ray was not saying that a child cannot be saved, nor is he saying becasue during the process of being saved a child could not give ther heart to Jesus.
What Ray is referring to is false conversion. Many, well meaning Christian, push people to "ask jesus into thier heart", or "pray a sinner's prayer" and this does not save someone. A child that does not see themselves as deserving God's wrath, will not turn to Jesus for mercy.
So the motive and knowledge that a child has when "being saved" is important. Are they asking Jesus into thier ehart becasue mommy and daddy really want them to, or because a gift has been offered to them, or becasue all thier friends are doing. All of these will more thank likely be false converts.
A loving parent makes sure thier children know that God is holy, just, and good. Because of His goodness He will remove all evil from the world one day and judge it. He considers those who lie, steal, commit adultery, etc as evil. A loving parent will also let thier child know that God loved them so much He sent His only begotten Son, and crushed Him for thier sins. If they will beleive in Jesus they will be right with God and have eternal life.
Many of the responders in this post need to read thier Bibles more and without help of commentatires to explain away such things as
"depart from you workers of lawlessness"
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Don't Believe it ever!
| Posted On: 04/15/08 02:38:08 PM |
Age 20, WA |
This is one of the strangest articles i have ever read. Like the writer above me said (I'm Shocked) why would you say something like that? I'm sure you have reverse phycology or something in mind but its not very clear.
But also, I have decided NOT to believe evolution under any circumstance. I am a scientest and the "scientific" thing to say is "If the theory is proven then I will believe it." Well evolution can't be proven. But even if it was "scientificly" proven beyond any human doubt, i wouldn't believe it because it is contrary to God's Word. If all humanity found something (THE MISSING LINK or some conclusive evidence) I would still deny its credibility and believe as the Bible says that god created the world in six days. What good is our Christian faith if it can be thrown out and replaced by man's completly fallible science?
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