Previously Spanked
| Posted On: 04/01/08 06:19:34 PM |
Age 35, FL |
When one touches a hot stove after they are told not to touch the stove because it is hot, they get burned...and it hurts. When I was a child, I was spanked several times. I was told not to do something and when I did, I was spanked. It hurt. I didn't enjoy it. Afterwards, my parents would explain to me that it also hurt them emotionally but, I broke the rules and had to suffer the consequences. Being spanked as a child was a result of me doing wrong and to this day, I think about my consequeces before making a decision. If spanked in the correct setting, children will learn from their mistakes. A child does not understand the logic of a conversation as much as a spank on the tush when they are in the middle of irrational behavior.
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Your Word is Spreading!
| Posted On: 04/01/08 06:16:50 PM |
Age 35, WA |
I read about your good works on another site. Keep it up!!!
... it was an article explaining how Jesus would go about “disciplining” a child ...
[Jesus would discipline the child with a] flexible switch made from an olive branch, across the fleshy part of the buttocks or upper thigh.
<a href="http://dickard.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/todays-top-ten-links/">The Teachings of Our Lord</a>
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wrong wrong wrong
| Posted On: 04/01/08 03:50:06 PM |
Age 36, CA |
Because God sent pagan armies to punish the Jews has nothing to do with spanking a child. "Vengeance is mine" I believe is the relevant quote; we don't get to start wars just because God did; what a silly argument to make.
You want to abide by the Old Testament? So you advocate stoning adulterers to death, and forcing virgins who are raped to marry the rapist?
Nonsense. Jesus told us this: The highest commandment is love. If you spank out of love, then I suppose it's acceptable. But ALL the research on this matter shows that corporal punishment is not necessary, and that it is often destructive to a loving relationship between parent and child. Certainly, when done out of anger, as is often the case, it is unChristian.
Bottom line: Your logic, theology, and knowledge are sorely lacking.
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- Amazingly wrong, wrong, wrong
| Posted On: 04/04/08 12:07:13 PM | | Age 51, IL |
For the moment let's consider the corporal punishment issue away from any religious context and only from an historical one. Also for this discussion let's limit our time frame to the entire recorded history of mankind leaving out the multiple millenia before man learned to write. It's historical fact that corporal punishment of children was almost universal in just about every culture in every time and place. To believe that corporal punishment was used in a sadistic way, was not effective, and was not a difficult thing emotionally for a parent is to believe that essentially every parent in all of recorded history either didn't love their children or were not particularly bright. To believe that you know better how to raise a child than essentially every parent who ever lived is quite presumptious.
It's a tough thing to cause your child pain. Where do you think old sayings like spare the rod, this hurts me more than you, you'll thank me for this one day, and just wait until your father gets home come from? Those sayings come from the reluctance to inflict the correction that the parent knows is needed and from society's support of the parent as they do what is appropriate.
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- Research?????
| Posted On: 04/01/08 11:40:06 PM | | Age 48, CA |
Whos research? As our kids are getting pregnant, using drugs, joining gangs, shooting up our schools, and killing thier parents when they refuse to cater to their wants more than ever before in our history I can assure you, it is not because kids are being overly disciplined.
Quite to the contrary, in my forst marriage, I had a spepdaughter who was never disciplined. She turned out to be one of the most bitter and angry kids I have ever known. She threatened to kill me for going through her room and tossing our her dope, not allowing her to sleep with her boyfriends, and trying to get her to go back to school. Counselors such as you pretty much believed that it was all my fault and her violence was not the problem, my failure to please her was. I was even warned that if she ever did kill me they would defend it as a justifiable killing.
All too often, I see kids getting very violent and their parents applying the modern methods of begging them to stop hitting them and having a tantrum. Usually, the parent relents and buys them what they were havning a tantrum over.
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- Hitting isn't the only discipine tool out there...
| Posted On: 04/02/08 03:02:04 PM | | Age 30, TX |
"I had a spepdaughter who was never disciplined. "
The person was not advocating not disciplining. Of course a child parented with no boundaries whatsoever will become angry. Children need to feel secure. Since when is smacking a child the only way to discipline? I don't need to hit my child to enforce boundaries.
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- wrong wrong wrong is wrong wrong wrong
| Posted On: 04/01/08 06:38:46 PM | | Age 45, IL |
My gosh, I do not know how people take others out of context.
Eric was simply saying that God judged Israel by other Pagan nations when those nations rose up against Israel.
God is all about correcting and chastising those He loves, expect it. I am glad that He does chastise me, therefore I know He loves me.
Do your homework next time Wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!
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- Discipline is discipline
| Posted On: 04/03/08 09:17:19 AM | | Age 48, CA |
I don't know what you do instead of a smak to the rear but I will bet that CPS would consider it just as abusive. According to cps: Depriving your child of a sex life, no allowing them to use drugs in your house, or anything that upsets them is considered abuse. When my former stepdaughter threatened to kille me, CPU araned me that if she ever suceeeded, they would defend it as a justifiable killing. I think it is ironic that your type, in the name of non violence, wants to send SWAT teams to machine gun parents who give their kids an occasional slap on the rear.
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- you talkin' to me?
| Posted On: 04/03/08 06:24:29 PM | | Age 45, IL |
Cuz if ya are you must have me confused with someone else. I believe in spanking when it is called for.
Those "(CHRISTIANS)" who don't believe in spanking do not have a thorough understanding of Scripture.
Spare the Rod Spoil the Child!!!!
Monday, November 03, 2003
The Minnesota Crime Commission wrote:
Every baby starts life as a little savage. He is completely selfish and self-centered. He wants what he wants when he wants it: his bottle, his mother's attention, his playmate's toys, his uncle's watch, or whatever. Deny him these and he seethes with rage and aggressiveness which would be murderous were he not so helpless. He's dirty, he has no morals, no knowledge, no developed skills. This means that all children, not just certain children but all children, are born delinquent. If permitted to continue in their self-centered world of infancy, given free reign to their impulsive actions to satisfy each want, every child would grow up a criminal, a thief, a killer, a rapist.
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The Olive Branch!
| Posted On: 04/01/08 03:40:44 PM |
Age 55, MO |
Absolutely, no doubt our Lord could and very well might! When I heard him Pat R. I about flipped! This is the second time in the last few months ( backing rudi) that he has used his show very unwisely, I e mailed them and let them know what he just did. As Christians we have to be very stern, this is an other wedge
for satan in the church! Of course we are to be good stewards, but this is not a perfect world
(only when Christ returns) that it will be. Why
should a wanning country as the u.s.a. with so many other problems have to lead the World, It will destroy us as a nation as planned. Yes a
spanking of some kind is in store, I just pray
that any good of the ministry will not have to
suffer to much. We'll have to cut back some, not for this very reason (that we know of) though! Pray for them and maybe he will step down. The Lord knows best. There a saying somewhere "spare rod, spoil child", wonder where thats at? hemmmm...
byron
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To spank or not to spank
| Posted On: 04/01/08 02:00:10 PM |
Age 30, AL |
I agree 100% with your article. Today there are too many people who have been raised without the proverbial rod and now rebel even more against the church and every authority in their lives. Our society has forgotten how to be humble, and the reason is that we have neglected the rod that used to knock that rebelion out of us. As you said, God chastises us because He loves us, not becuase He hates us or wants to make us suffer. Refer to James 1:2-3 to understand how we should look at the chastisement from God.
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Sounds like another "reinterpretation" by "Red Letter Christians"
| Posted On: 04/01/08 01:07:58 PM |
Age 47, VA |
This sounds like a lot of what we hear coming out of so-called "Red Letter Christians" nowadays. Here's the formula I've observed: take some selected words of Jesus that agree with your own worldview and pour your own meanings and interpretations into those words as the only way Jesus would have meant them, thus elevating your own beliefs to the level of Scripture and above the "harsh, unloving" Scripture that is the Old Testament. Works great! I wrote an article just recently about this very subject that some may be interested in:
http://cajoneador.blogspot.com/2008/02/are-you-red-letter-christian.html
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Jesus would not spank!
| Posted On: 04/01/08 12:40:42 PM |
Age 45, NY |
We tend to think of Him as a man just like us. In many ways, that is correct but in other ways, The LORD is not like us at all.
We feel we need to justify our discipline of our children by asking: "What did Jesus do?"
We will never find an example of physical discipline Jesus performed on a child. His power was to the heart of every issue. He needed not the rod of correction to discipline even his own disciples!!! The mind of Christ understood the human condition perfectly. Therefore he was able to discipline perfectly through reasonable words. It's only after words have failed parents that they resort to using the rod on their children.
Without perfect understanding of the heart of our children, we cannot perfectly administer discipline.
How many times does a parent feel they could have done that better with their child? How often is there remorse for correcting out of anger or even after finding out the child wasn't the guilty party? Can you take back the stripes given to the buttocks? No. Jesus would not have spanked. He wouldn't have to. His ability to speak directly to the situation at hand proved his power over disobedience.
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- Great reply
| Posted On: 04/02/08 03:22:27 PM | | Age 39, VA |
I so agree with what this this poster said (NY 45).
I strongly believe discipline can be effective and God-honoring without involving spanking.
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- jesus Would Not Spank - Really??????
| Posted On: 04/02/08 01:07:19 PM | | Age 57, CANADA |
John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
Maybe he just held the scourge and waved it around,
BUT not likely!!
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- my experience
| Posted On: 04/01/08 04:44:25 PM | | Age 19, WA |
I'm just a college student, so i'm not the most muchur person in the world, but i do know my personal experience. I completely disagree with this author. I think that to many times we take selected verses and take them out of historical and cultural context. In the old testament (under the old covenant) hitting a child was condoned, because the culture at the time was unaware of new advances in child psychology and more effective ways of raising children. you'll notice that in the new covenant (in the new testament) mercy and understanding is focused on more than lwigalistic and harsh forms of correction. Certainly we need to discipline and correct, but in an understanding, loving, and Godly way. I remember as a child my dad hit me 2 times. Out of anger. I did not become humble, submissive, or obedient or whatever people like to say. I became worse. I became angry, and agressive. To this day the anger the yelling, the fear, the harshness, still plaques my thoughts and my heart many years later. Fortunately God is healing me, and reasuuring me that I do not need to fear coming to Him. Sure in some instances hitting is the only option, but if it's not the only option, than why don't we share God's love with children, instead of teaching them how not to deal with problems. (in an agressive and angry way).
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- Really? Tell that to the Money changers...
| Posted On: 04/01/08 03:16:07 PM | | Age 48, CA |
People who talk like this ususally have the worst and most violent kids. They then go on to excuse thier own kids violence because the world wronged them and that others need to appease them. My stepdaughter was only spnaked twice in the ten years we were married and both times it was for defying correction. My 7 year old needed it more but even here, I only use physical discipline when they rebel lesser correction. Currently, it is no longer necessary. We shall see what will happen with my one year old.
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- We are not God
| Posted On: 04/01/08 03:10:50 PM | | Age 47, MO |
You are absolutely correct but I hope you are not suggesting that we can perfectly mimic Jesus. That is impossible since He is God, knows our minds, hearts, and motives before we do. John
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- Not God but a father of three
| Posted On: 04/01/08 11:46:23 PM | | Age 48, CA |
And I am accountable to the Lord to, among other things, discipline them. If my kids have a tantrum because we don't buy them what they want, when they want it, I will not do things your way and beg them to stop having thier tantrum. They will be disciplined. Once they learned the rules, they no longer require such extreme measures. Every case where parents use this "New way" The kids are not only violent and disrespectful, but the parents excuse it blaming others for not being "Loving enough".
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- You misunderstood
| Posted On: 04/02/08 09:18:53 AM | | Age 47, MO |
You may have misunderstood my short response. I advocate spanking BECAUSE we are not Gods. We can never know what goes on in their little heads or know the best response as parents. Jesus didn't have to spank because HE is God. So I advocate spanking as an attention getter but not as THE SOLE response to error. The problem with our society is parents haven't been parenting. So we have kids doing adult things, undisiplined, without control or authority, heading toward self destruction. Thanks for keeping me straight. John
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Amen!
| Posted On: 04/01/08 11:20:27 AM |
Age 20, MN |
I totally agree with this article. Sadly, this is happening everywhere. I am thankful that my parents raised me properly or I would not know where I would be right now. Our Church has talked to the city officials and we are allowed to spank our kids. This does not mean that we break our hands doing so. Sometimes our brains are located down there and we need to "spank" them back into place. Any criticism here, well, go study the Word's that came out of God Himself.
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discipline/spoiling and abortion
| Posted On: 04/01/08 11:13:14 AM |
Age 28, TX |
First of all, I think that parents tend to spank out of anger and frustration and not out of restraint and love. Spanking is not always effective and is usually not the best discipline for all situations, it should be used sparingly. Secondly, why is this woman spending so much time and energy and money to outlaw spanking when 4,000 unborn babies are brutally murdered every year? Seems a little unbalanced to me- she should concentrate her attention on the bigger picture.
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My question
| Posted On: 04/01/08 10:55:33 AM |
Age 48, GA |
My question is, was there someone there to present the biblocal point of view in order to refute her?
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