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I'm Crying
Posted On: 07/06/08 01:50:25 PM Age 18, CANADA
When I first read this article, I was mad. None of it sounded like the real Jesus. Now, tears fall wet on my cheeks as it hits me: the Jesus of this article, is very real to many Chrisitans, including Mr. Holmberg. How horrible.
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CHILDREN NEED TO BE TOUCHED AND LOVED
Posted On: 04/11/08 08:05:40 AM Age 64, OH
The bottom line is this: Should the government or parents have authority over children. 1 - God gives the authority and responsibility of raising children to the parents and no one else. 2 - Who birthed the children, not the government but the parents. Even grandparents have NO authority over children for they did not birth them. 3 - No taxation without representation, or THE PERSON WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY ALSO HAS THE AUTHORITY. Is the government going to take the responsibility of taking care of children. Is it going to feed and cloth them. The parents have the responsibility and so also have the authority. We might not like or agree with the actions of some parents. But the parents are better suited to care for children than government. So the government should stay out of this business. 4 - The parents made sacrifice and endured pain to have the children, but the same children are a burden to the government. The parents will care for children much better than government. Government has a tendency to want to get rid of problems. Where most parents would give their own life for their child. 5 - Do we want the government, who has stolen money from the Social Security and can not even run a fund of money, in the business of taking care of children. Money is simple, children are complicated. 6 - Every child is different, and one has much different needs than another. Only the parents can give the individual attention needed by each child. 7 - A child is better off getting the individual attention from their mother and father, even if it is not the best kind of care, than to be cared for by an institution that can not LOVE or TOUCH or HUG. IT DOES NOT TAKE A VILLAGE, BUT A CHILD NEEDS A FATHER AND A MOTHER. Only one man and one woman can have a child and God made it that way for a reason. When a woman wants to have a child with no father it is lack of love for her future child and her own selfish desires that bring this rebellion against the way of the Lord God Almighty. Lou
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I wonder..
Posted On: 04/09/08 02:17:40 AM Age 26, IN
...what Jesus did with that whip He made at the temple when He cleansed it from the moneychangers? Was He just making it to scare them? I kind of doubt it. You make a whip to use it, or you don't take the time to make it at all. I bet someone got hit that day.
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The bottom line is..........
Posted On: 04/03/08 02:46:07 PM Age 48, CA
I have used physical discipline on my kids and will continue to do so if and when necessary. Those who claim this is evil have yet to show a viable alternative. The exaples I personally have seen produced some pretty violent, selfish, and defiant kids whose "Enlightened parents" answer to such behavior is to excuse it and blame others for not giving the kids what they want. In other words, thier kids have a right to be violent if others fail to please them.
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  1. what alternatives have you looked at?
    Posted On: 04/05/08 06:38:23 AMAge 25, GA
    have you checked out GOYB (get off your butt) parenting or GD (gentle discpline)? I encourage you to google those, and I believe you will find some viable alternatives.
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    1. Yes I have
      Posted On: 04/08/08 09:41:23 AMAge 48, CA
      And it all involves allowing your kids to be punks. Don't get them mad overt something they want, just give it to them to avoid conflict. Another "Alternative" is to spend hours begging and argueing when a simple stren "No!" noramlly suffices. AAs our kids are ever more killing thier parents, shooting up schools, engaging is sex, doing drugs etc. Cracking down on parents whome you believe are cruel is not the answer.
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      1. You obviously didn't read it
        Posted On: 04/11/08 04:35:46 PMAge 30, CO
        Your assessment of gentle discipline is ridiculous. You obviously haven't read about it or taken the time to visit the site goybparenting - b/c it's certainly not about giving in to children & letting them run all over you. You think the only way to discipline is spank? How uncreative is that.
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GODS MERCY IS SOMETIMES SEVERE
Posted On: 04/03/08 09:43:30 AM Age 64, OH
1st of all the law of God allows a parent to spank a child. But we are not under the law but are to follow the Holy Spirit in all things. Some here want to follow a law of never spanking and some want to follow a law of spanking; both are wrong. The sons of God are those who walk in the Spirit (not the law). We should not decide to spank or not to spank, but follow the Holy Spirit. There are certain situations where physical force is the only way to life. If a child is about to walk off a cliff, and sure death, then surly physical force is the only way to prevent them from death it would be not only appropriate but it would be hateful not to use it. I have learned that the mercy of God is sometimes very SEVERE; But He always does what is best for me. Look how severe God was with Israel sometimes, But it was because God loved Israel. Lou
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  1. Good Answer
    Posted On: 04/08/08 12:29:10 PMAge 39, MI
    I think this answer is great. Walk in the spirit, not in a hard fast law. It is up to us to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit in all things. I personally choose to follow the non-violent approach first. I do my best to reason with my child, explain consequences, allow her to learn on her own, and teach her instead of just preaching to her. But I do have to admit that despite my efforts, that doesn't always work. There are times that her actions will harm herself or others, and I just can't allow that to happen. That is when she gets a spanking. It's always on the butt, and always over clothing... nothing overly violent or evil. Just something to get her attention and let her know that what she is doing is very wrong. I believe this is love. Think of the life your child is going to live if they never experience discipline.
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A shepherd who hit his sheep would soon find himself out of a job....
Posted On: 04/02/08 06:13:34 PM Age 25, GA
"But when sheep rebel, He loves them enough − and the Bride that they will become − to break out the rod. And so should we." Anyone who deals with animals knows that you cannot hit them and expect true obedience--only compliance at best. Therefore, why assume that a shepherd using a rod with his sheep would be using it to hit them?
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  1. You obviously have never worked with animals
    Posted On: 04/03/08 09:20:14 AMAge 48, CA
    The shepherds rod is a multi purpose tool. It has a hook with which to grap the animal and is also used to prod the animal in the direction one wishes it to go. While no Shepheard viciously beats his animals, the prodding they do would be condemmed as beating if you ever watched it being done.
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Email response from NoSpank
Posted On: 04/02/08 03:05:39 PM Age 38, IRELAND
I emailed NoSpank today and got this illuminating response... On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:47:15 +0100, Jordan Riak wrote: Sadism disguised as parenting, March 29, 2008 By Jordan Riak (Alamo, CA) - See all my reviews Religion and sadism have enjoyed a cozy relationship since the beginning of recorded history. Little seems to have changed. During the Inquisition, robed priests, clutching their gilt-edged bibles, sent heretics to a slow death on the rack to teach them respect for authority. And today, authors of so-called Christian parenting books instruct parents how to whip children into repentance and obedience. The first group never saw a heretic they didn't want to torture, and the second group never saw a child they didn't want to smack. Informed parents don't hit their children. They know the difference between love and cruelty. They are not lured by any amount of pious claptrap into purchasing books that have more to do with porn than parenting. Jordan Riak
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  1. I wonder....
    Posted On: 04/03/08 02:03:37 PMAge 61, KS
    As I read the comments about this and many other topics on this site, I have to wonder. With all the things we've (humanity) done wrong over the centuries, how did it happen that we now have over 6 billion people living on the planet. And we live longer than ever before. Alas, we're bored and have to find ways to beat up on each other, in a figurative way that is. Somewhere between using no corporal punishment and beating the "living tar" out of our youngsters, lies the best way. Love is the answer for sure but sometimes it needs to be accompanied by a bit of a firm response to augment the love. If you have a strong voice, that may be enough.
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  2. As kids are more rebellious then ever...
    Posted On: 04/03/08 09:24:35 AMAge 48, CA
    As they use more drugs, have more sex, are more defiant of parents than any time in our history, as they join gangs and shoot up our schools, I doubt that the one probelem we need to work on the most is a aparent who gices his or her child an occasional swat on the rear. Those who claim they have a better way actually have the mosr violent disrespecful kids I have ever seen and worse, they then claim it is the worlds fault that thier kids are this way for not loving them enough.
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Here's the deal
Posted On: 04/02/08 12:49:37 PM Age 47, MO
The problem with some of these responses is that people are advocating to do What Jesus would do (WWJD?). However, we are not called to do what Jesus would do, nor is it possible to do what Jesus would do. We are not God. We cannot perfectly discern situations or perfectly respond. Only Jesus knew what people were really thinking and responded with the sword of the truth that cut to the heart of the matter. We Christians are called to do what the HS would tell us to do. As Christians, this is to train up the child, to disipline, to nurture, and to teach them the real world so they can exist as adults. However, most parents are guilty for their immaturity, their divorce, their lack of involvement, their ???, and misunderstand love as being tolerant and emotional. Thus they think kids will grow up and be stable just because they are aging. Next thing we know we have young adults still living at home, engrosed in video games, and only work when they need money for entertainment. John
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  1. On the contrary...
    Posted On: 04/09/08 12:55:29 PMAge 57, CA
    It's obvious that you have not read the Bible for... It is written that we are to do greater things than Jesus. We are to perform greater miracles than Jesus.
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    1. GOOD LUCK!
      Posted On: 04/10/08 09:09:07 AMAge 47, MO
      Go get em tiger! John
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  2. Thank you John!!
    Posted On: 04/06/08 01:45:10 PMAge 30, MN
    I couldn't agree with you more. You are right when you said that we can't do what Jesus would do because we are not God and are far from perfect. And for parents(or professionals for that matter) to think that children will turn out to be stable adults just because they are "growing up" is ridiculous. Thank you for posting your very logical opinion. It seems very obvious to me.
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    1. Thanks
      Posted On: 04/08/08 10:24:02 AMAge 47, MO
      Thank you for taking the time to respond. It is good to know we have agreement, yet mostly we post to express our disagreement. Well, at least I'm guilty of that. One Spirit, His! John
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A good spanking
Posted On: 04/02/08 09:06:23 AM Age 61, KS
Most mammals use some type of corporal punishment to keep their "pups" in line. While we humans are so much more advanced in our thinking and actions (tongue firmly planted in cheek), we're really no different and occasionally need to do the same. I was "switched" as a child and somehow survived the ordeal. My Mom even hit me with a closed fist when I was a teenager. I certainly never committed that infraction again. I remember swatting one of my children on one occasion but I normally used a firm voice. They knew I meant business. I worry about states making too many laws governing how we raise our children. I also know that parents can go overboard with corporal punishment so there is a balance that needs to be decided. The balance of personal freedom and government intervention. The balance of love and occasional tough love. Today, my mother could have been jailed for the way she punished me but it would have been wrong to do so. I knew then and know now how much she cared about me. The love she gave her children far outweighed the rare but firm punishments. I don't think things were much different in Jesus time and I wouldn't be surprised if His Mom gave Him a swat or two during His youth. Wow! Spanking God! What a concept!
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  1. huh?
    Posted On: 04/02/08 06:08:57 PMAge 25, GA
    Um, and what exactly would Jesus--who never sinned--have done to merit this "swat" from his mother?
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    1. write me when......
      Posted On: 04/03/08 01:43:29 PMAge 61, KS
      The simple answer is that Jesus was also fully human and probably even cried when He was an infant. Shucks, he probably even played outdoor games with friends. I'm sure he didn't quietly sit/lay there until he was an adult. Even simpler answer....Nothing was ever writen about His childhood so we don't know. In any case, I was having fun with the thought.
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      1. Whatever He did
        Posted On: 04/03/08 06:25:40 PMAge 45, IL
        He never SINNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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        1. Maybe he didn't sin but
          Posted On: 04/28/08 09:45:40 AMAge 61, KS
          I'll bet He occasionally irritated the pooh out of His parents...like any child occasionally does. But then, I wasn't there.
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Spock -- Brats!
Posted On: 04/01/08 09:50:18 PM Age 44, TX
Dr. Spock very successfully convinced America, and many Christians, to not spank their children. But the Word of God says in Prov.13:24 'He who spares the rod hates his son, but he that loves him chastens him quickly.' God disciplines those He loves. So to discipline is to love your children. To not discipline, in God's eyes, is to hate your children. What was the fruit of Dr.Spocks' advice? Let's hear from his own words Dr. Spock is reported as saying near the end of his life, 'We've raised a bunch of brats!' Let God be true and every man a liar. ~We must rightly divide and obey God's Word! Lynn
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  1. The Spanking Experiment Failed
    Posted On: 04/09/08 01:22:45 PMAge 57, CA
    Since World War Two, parents have been told that spanking is bad and raises children to become violent. And so they refrained from spanking. Look around today and see the results of this experiment. It failed. Kids today are out of controled, spoiled, demanding, rude, disrespectful, disobedient to parents, covetous, highminded, without natural affection, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. Everything the Bible says about people - even most Christians - in the end times. And all because for the lack of spanking and the proper Biblical training up of children by parents.
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