Prayer and New Age Thought are not even close!
| Posted On: 03/04/08 08:16:52 AM |
Age 57, FRANCE |
I agree with N.M., that neither New Age "gods" nor muslim Allah are the same as the one God, and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Thanks Ingrid
| Posted On: 03/02/08 04:47:40 PM |
Age 60, LA |
Thank you, Ingrid, for all the hours of very distasteful research that it took to put this together. For those who can see this for what it is---apostasy---it is another chapter of prophecy being fulfilled and we know that we are one day closer to the return of our Lord. Sadly, to those who's eyes have yet to be opened to this working of the wicked one all of your words seem to be over-kill or like the boy who kept crying that the sky is falling.
Know that you and all of those who work with you are in my (our) prayers. I hope the times of discouragement are fewer and farther between. Whatever the case our Lord is sufficient.
Slice reader/former commenter, Darrel.
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Thanks for your research!
| Posted On: 03/01/08 11:07:26 PM |
Age 56, AZ |
I am a missionary working in the Philippines. I am presently having to deal with staff members polluted with the lie of Universalim/Inclusionism. Do you have anything that pertains directly to those heresies that I can use in my scriptural defense of truth?
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- Info on Universalism
| Posted On: 03/02/08 02:25:26 PM | | Age 41, WI |
Hi,
Rev. Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries--www.apprising.org has been tracing the resurgence of universalism that has come through emerging church teachings. He finds those teachings in many of the popular authors materials, like Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, and so many others. He's written a lot on the subject here.
http://www.apprising.org/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&search=universalism
I hope that helps. The idea that we are all in, only those who "opt out" will not be saved, is really universalism and that's what these emerging authors teach. Here's an example of this from McLaren.
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/09/emerging_inclus.html
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Thank you
| Posted On: 03/01/08 01:28:13 AM |
Age 52, WA |
Thank you for writing this article. I wonder how many churches will buy into
this apostasy?
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Repeating the mistakes all over again
| Posted On: 02/29/08 05:15:39 PM |
Age 43, CHINA |
Man is always repeating the mistakes they made. Adam and Eve disobeyed God thinking they can become like God as they turned their ears to the serpent's lie. Throughout the Old Testament we can see how the Israelite was blessed by God, yet they chose to depart from God and chose their own ways, and how prophets were sent to warn them to repent, and how they killed the prophets and how they finally repent and then the blessing starts to come again.
America has been blessed greatly when America declared In God We Serve. The blessing has blinded many and the human rights policy comes in instead of God's Right. Satanism and other false teachings were allowed on the context of "freedom" which actually brought many into bondage. The Church also begins to deviate by focusing too much on SELF (independence, self proximity, etc) and churn out a new generation who knows little of God. Then come the group that starts to tell people they are "God"....
When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn???
Sad that today all we hear in worship songs are soft songs about love. We are God's Army fighting battle everyday, and the evil one has soften the Church by getting the Church to focus on self with all those BLESS ME songs...
This is a CALL for the CHURCH to awaken to gird up their armor and live the Word to let the world see that God's Truth is still relevant Yesterday, Today and Forever, Amen...
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Who are these people?
| Posted On: 02/29/08 04:11:41 PM |
Age 47, FL |
Oprah? Isn't she supporting Obama?
Whenever you write a column, you always cite these people who I have never heard of and then you fold them all around Rick Warren as if he were out in the midst of it.(I understand that he may be dancing on the edge of it).
I'm sure no Christian who browses this site and Ingrids columns would ever pick up a copy of the "Secret" and find a new religion. The book is a complete piece of crud. The kind of blather you come across when you are out saving the lost, not the kind of stuff infiltrating any believers reading list, muchless consciousness.
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- You never know
| Posted On: 03/01/08 11:36:50 AM | | Age 61, MO |
It is good to keep informed of these latest heresies, even when you are not out "saving the lost." My older daughter who lives away from home came to me just a few weeks ago with excitement having discovered Joel Osteen. Need I say more? George Cancilla
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- You Are Very Wrong
| Posted On: 03/01/08 07:13:18 AM | | Age 41, WI |
Oh, how very wrong you are. You speak with a whole lot of authority but you don't know the half. I spoke with a woman this week who wanted to know what was really wrong with The Secret, after all. Assemblies of God church member. If you want to see what one professing evangelical, formerly on staff at Rod Parsley's church and several other evangelical megachurches, is now teaching, visit http://www.theravenwing.org/ and read her statement of belief. To say that New Spirituality is not infiltrating Christian churches is shocking denial. We have Bible churches now where the youth pastors are using eastern meditation practices with the teens that they learned from Youth Specialties, Inc., a formerly evangelical ministry. Youth Front, formerly Kansas City Youth for Christ, has young people praying in front of icons at their Altar events, chanting and engaging in contemplative prayer and Lectio Divina. Contemplative spirituality has literally taken over the National Pastor's Convention in San Diego which took place this week, where the pastors started the day with yoga. The overlap between New Age and emerging teachings is now here. Only the willfully ignorant would deny this when so much evidence has been provided in this article alone if you follow the links. I did my homework. I'd encourage you to do the same before you blow off what I and so many others are warning about.
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- Disservice to Youth Specialties
| Posted On: 03/03/08 10:23:13 AM | | Age 50, MN |
to call Youth Specialties a "formerly evangelical organiziation" is really going to far and real diservice to them and your readers. But I'm afraid, it's your regular mode of operation. When you do that, I have to question all of your other connections that you come up with, you do a lot of linking that just isn't reality in my opinion.
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apostasy
| Posted On: 02/29/08 04:07:41 PM |
Age 58, NC |
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 "For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."
"The Church in the Wilderness" should be in bookstores by spring. It is a call from God to His church to come out of the Wilderness where it has wandered in the blindness of deception and awake to righteousness for these perilous times. Arise, shine for the Light has come!
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I don't see it
| Posted On: 02/29/08 04:00:51 PM |
Age 55, FL |
My comment is meant neither to defend Rob Bell nor attack Ingrid, but to make an honest evaluation of what she's claiming. After looking at the text Ingrid provides, supposedly proving that Bell says we are "co-creators with God", I must confess I don't see it. Looking only at the provided text, Bell is talking about pro-creation, no "co-creators with God". How do trees, fish, et.al., "create"? By reproducing, that's how. If Ingrid says this is being "co-creators" with God, she needs more text. As it is, her claim falls short. Hubbard's claim is clear. I am not an Emergent Church/Bell/McLaren/Jones fan, not by a long shot. I have strongly spoken out against them. Indeed, the Shift is coming. But if we're going to make claims like the above, we must be complete with our evidence.
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- Do Your Homework Before Blowing This Off
| Posted On: 03/01/08 07:16:39 AM | | Age 41, WI |
So Rob Bell's rejection of Scripture as the Word of God and his heretical claim that the Bible is a "human product" doesn't bother you at all? You can completely ignore that? Apprising.org, a research ministry, has page after page of articles on Rob Bell's panentheism and his false teachings. I'd encourage you to do your homework before dismissing what is said here so lightly. Celebrity idolatry has blinded a whole lot of evangelical Christians to what is being taught today. That's why the church looks like it does.
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2000 years of Christianity..
| Posted On: 02/29/08 01:30:27 PM |
Age 61, KS |
I think the idea most appealing to human beings, at least the seekers and thinkers, is that we can somehow alter events by our thoughts.
Lets think about this. When we pray we are using our thought process in an effort to have God/Jesus intercede into a situation aren't we. How about prayer trees which many congregations, including my daughters, use for the sick? How about Catholic prayers during their service for the sick? Aren't these all thoughts? Aren't we, in effect, doing what the new age guru's are saying?
I tend to think that much of the so called new age is simply another way of saying what the bible says. Some of it goes beyond the reasonable for sure but I know God still communicates with His creation and He has plenty to say.
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- Here's where it falls apart
| Posted On: 03/02/08 01:45:41 PM | | Age 29, TX |
I get what you're trying to say with this, but you miss a vital distinction. The New Age tries the Old Lie--using works and words to force an outcome by enslaving God to the performer's will. The Christian, in prayer, submits himself to God's will and asks God to grant something. No bargaining. No visualizing. No special tricks. It's like asking Daddy for a cookie; He can still say "No."--Mrs. Pilgrim
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- Prayer
| Posted On: 03/01/08 11:43:39 AM | | Age 61, MO |
I'm sorry you feel the way you do about new age thinking and it's correlation to the Bible, because there is none. In prayer, it is not our thoughts that change anything, but rather that they move God to impose His will on the situation. Prayer is merely communication with God. We individually, or collectively, move no one or no thing. George Cancilla
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- Exactly.....
| Posted On: 03/01/08 11:39:53 PM | | Age 61, KS |
God always does the work of His will through His Love for creation. Sorry my words were misunderstood. It does point out a great problem we as humans have. Many misunderstandings. This includes midunderstand of biblical teachings as well.
Some prayer is quiet prayer. Those are thoughts are they not.
Again, some....not all....new age material is just another way of saying what the bible says. Kind of like the "Living" bible says what the King James bible says but in modern and more understandable language. Or when a preacher goes into detail of the meaning of a particular point of scripture. He/she goes beyond the actual scripture quote.
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- Prayer and New Age Thought are not even close!
| Posted On: 03/04/08 12:44:44 AM | | Age 42, NM |
New Age thought and "theology" believes that the thought itself is what produces change. That if we all "visualize" world peace it will happen. This belief "deifies" thought itself making the thoughts or words powerful; even god. And since we are the master of our thoughts and words and the words are the power to bring things about...we become god. This concept is idolatrous. Really its grounded in pantheism, which says, god is in all things and all things are in god. God only exists as the collective of all our "energy". He doesn't exist without us. That's quite different from Biblical Christianity which says that God always existed and his existence is not changed one iota by whether or not I exist. God simlply is.
Biblical prayer recognizes that God is sovereign. God is powerful. God is majestic and above all things. God is the one who holds all things together. And God is the one who can change bad situations. As Christians we talk to God about the things we see. And our heart becomes like his. We become more and more like him. And God answers prayer, often in powerful and dynamic ways.
But Biblical prayer never puts the power in us, like some magic spell or incantation.
I'm concerned whenever a believer says Biblical Christianity and New Age thought are really the same thing. That's like President Bush saying time and time again that Muslims pray to the same God as Christians. That's simply not true.
I know you mean well, and I hope I don't come across in a demeaning manner.
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- About Mr. Bell
| Posted On: 03/04/08 12:27:21 AM | | Age 42, NM |
I too see the fallacy in Rob Bell. As a pastor, I purchased several of his Nooma videos. The first one had some interesting thoughts. By the time I got to the second one, I was getting seriously concerned. After about the fourth one, I threw them all in the trash.
So I'm no Rob Bell supporter. I also stay in contact with Apprising Ministries and support them in prayer for taking a stand against false doctrine in the American church.
Having said that, the claim that Rob Bell says we are co-creators with God. Does seem to be a stretch. He does seem to be talking about procreation more than claiming we are all god - at least in that particular context.
There are plenty of substantive reasons to avoid Rob Bell and his teachings, but this particular statement is certainly not his most erroneous.
For what it's worth.
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