Too bad
| Posted On: 03/05/09 03:55:49 PM |
Age 37, MN |
All I can say is that it's too bad that this man is who we get to replace Billy Graham as the evangelical spokesman to the media. (and Presidents).
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Saved, or "Not" Saved, That is the Question
| Posted On: 03/01/08 11:21:02 AM |
Age 58, TX |
First of all, I remember hearing Rick Warren saying on the streets in Syria when he was there a couple of years ago, that the conditions there weren't dissimilar from Christianity. As a college history instructor, I disagreed with his assertion in that regard vehemently.
Additionally, from time to time, I have heard utterances come from him which are reminiscent of teachings and ideas that the Bible clearly associates with the Laodicean Church in Revelation.
So many people today both within and without the churches have confused a great many "isms" with scriptural teaching.
However, in addressing the clip I viewed of Warren with Hannity, the only degree of truth I perceive from his statement is that we can only give over our lives to Jesus Christ if we realize that it is needed, and without doubt, it always is. The giving over of our lives and the choices in it are a daily basis.
However, I take issue with the concept of accepting Christ as saviour by degrees on a daily basis.
The scripture clearly enunciates the opportunity to do so as "one time, once for all" or ephapax pas. The choice to accept Christ as saviour, therefore, is NOT an ongoing, daily, repetitive choice or series of unlimited opportunities. The choice to follow HIS leadership IS! If the latter was what Warren was stating, THAT is correct. If Warren was referring to our daily choices to "walk" closer to Him and within His will, that concept is correct. However, our daily, mundane choices will not substitute for genuine repentance.
The Bible or Textus Receptus, without a doubt,is saliently clear on that point.
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- No life to begin with:
| Posted On: 09/09/08 11:34:32 PM | | Age 52, NJ |
Hey Everyone,
Greetings in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I am new here and would just like to say a thing or two.
One of the greatest errors that men like Rick W., Joel O., and many others like them make with their concepts of being the best you can be; living your best life now, etc., is this from what I can see.
It is the very fundamental Biblical truth that the true Christian has been crucified with Christ so that it is no longer we who live but Christ who lives in us.
A dead man has nothing to offer Christ simply because the true Christian is dead in Christ and it is now Christ who lives in us to fulfill God’s Word in and through us for Christ is that Word, alive in the believer to perform all that God has for each of us to do in His Son through the power of Him in us.
Christ was the only one who ever served God fully and without fail. The vital truth to the true Christian life we must all grasp is that He, Jesus, is still the only One who can do so.
I have absolutely nothing to offer God for all I was before Christ was as filthy rags.
The concept of one giving their life to Christ is totally backwards. We were dead in sin with no life to offer to begin with. Sure, it sounds “spiritual”, so to speak, to give our life to Christ sounds like a real commitment, but it is in truth anything but the truth.
The truth is that Christ not only gave His life “for us” but He gave His life “to us” if we have been truly born-again. And therein we still remain dead, but not in sin, much the rather, we are now dead to sin with Christ and made alive unto God in Christ also.
It is what Romans 6 teaches us, take verses 8-11 for example:
“8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Most people don’t recognize what is going on with men like Warren but they are teaching a social Gospel for the most part which basically says that Christ left us an example to follow and thereby they by and large leave out the offense of the Cross.
In other words they are teaching people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and live their best life now. One doesn’t need Christ to do that and that is why men like Warren and so many others who are adrift on the “ecumenical ark” of the emergent-church can unashamedly partner with the heathen on social and moral issues and issues of all sorts. It is because they are not saying with Paul:
“1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” 1 Cor. 2:1-2.
These men like Warren are pretty much doing the opposite of what Paul did for they are coming with “excellency of speech or of wisdom” whereby they lay aside “Jesus Christ, and him crucified” for a weak, watered down Gospel, which is no Gospel at all, by which they have great numbers following them.
It is akin to what Paul said in his farewell address to the Ephesians in Acts 20:28-30 which reads as follows:
“28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.”
I’m coming nigh the 750 word limit here so I suppose I’ll have to close this out with that.
A Christian,
Timothy J. Bortner
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weak
| Posted On: 02/28/08 02:06:04 PM |
Age 27, MN |
weak, weak, weak. where is the remorse and repentance and the giving ALL of myself to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Who, on this earth and all throughout eternity, has given ALL of Himself for a sinner such as I?!?
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Mr. Warren's testimony interview.
| Posted On: 02/27/08 09:55:46 AM |
Age 69, FL |
In all do fairness to Mr. Warren, I think you should have showen the whole clip. Please do that next time you ask some one to write comments.
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- Don't be so quick not to discern
| Posted On: 05/06/08 11:30:15 PM | | Age 38, FL |
I saw the whole interview on Hannity's America. The clip is a good slice of the entire gospel Warren was espousing. In fact, the clip is kind to him. He said more things which seemed even more errant. He described most Christians in the world living to survive and not really to the full potential God had given them through their natural talents. But few live triumphantly like him (and Hannity took that as a clue to consider himself triumphant since he is a newsman and gifted with the gab). What strikes me most about Warren and why he is very dangerous is that he calls Christians to live up to their potential for Christ. It's a skewed concept. We are to surrender ourselves. lay down our lives so God can use us up to His potential. In what potential would you rather live?
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"Where's the beef" - a missed opportunity, but ?poison?
| Posted On: 02/26/08 01:57:27 PM |
Age 52, NC |
At the risk of being jumped on as ignorant, I really want to respond to this clip and the comments I see here so far. I find myself recognizing that the Warren clip doesn't tell the whole story, but not finding much fault in the portion of Warren's comments that was included in the clip. He stated that "he believes" wanting to be god of our own lives is the worst sin and agreed with Hannity's labeling that as 'pride', but claiming a position belonging to Christ is not simply 'pride' but IS denying Who Christ is. Others mentioned that Warren was "telling us how to get to heaven", but I didn't hear Warren asserting that here, but speaking of maturing in our understanding of what this relationship with Christ is all about. I certainly know that my understanding is different (more complete) than it was at the time of my salvation. I can see areas for disagreement in nonessentials, and agree with the earlier comment that Warren certainly didn't "hit a home run", but don't understand the vitriole here in some of the other responses if this clip is a reasonably complete record of what Warren said...
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Not What I Would Have Said Myself, But Fine
| Posted On: 02/25/08 09:10:38 PM |
Age 42, FL |
He missed another opportunity to clearly enunciate the Gospel.
But, given the audience, and hoping for a return trip in the future, he did OK in my opinion.
He didn't say anything wrong.
He didn't say all that is necessary for a "man of God" to have said.
And for that, I find him lacking as an example, or a teacher for Christ.
He was not ready to give an account for the hope within him.
He was wishy washy, all gooey and give as much as we know of us to God, whatever that really means to Rick.
We need to continue to pray for Rick Warren, and the tens of thousands who are falling for a love, love, love Gospel, rather than running from their sins and pleading for mercy at the foot of the Cross.
Many will be okay in his "church," because where God's Word is spoken, people are changed.
But many more are buying into a false Gospel in this "ministry."
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There he goes again!
| Posted On: 02/25/08 05:29:36 PM |
Age 57, AR |
Saying that God is looking down and saying, "That's my boy"?? What is that? He obviously is trying to make us feel good about ourselves. Possibly using that phrase to stress God's love for his own, at least I hope he means his own. You never know about these feel gooders today. Listening to them is making me sicker and sicker. I am mourning for todays church.
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Faith Comes By What?
| Posted On: 02/25/08 11:29:38 AM |
Age 46, SOUTH AFRICA |
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, the only thing I heard was Rick. His pop-psychology appraoch to the gospel is nothing short of an abomination. Indeed, he is ashamed of the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation.
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- FAITH COMES FOR HEARING JESUS SPEAK TO US
| Posted On: 02/28/08 09:25:44 AM | | Age 64, OH |
You are correct; and someone who even quotes the Holy Scriptures is far better off than someone like RW who does not even believe the scriptures. But the scriptures also tell us that The Word of God is the person of The Lord Jesus Christ and not a book. A person has to seek and hear Jesus, and the scriptures are surly a good place to look, to have faith. Lou
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Trying to be all things to all people
| Posted On: 02/25/08 12:42:19 AM |
Age 36, MO |
Let's just say it: Rick is a Universalist.
His promotion of eastern mysticism cloaked in christian terminology (i.e. breath prayers, contemplative prayer, spiritual formation) should have clued most in to this fact from the beginning. So some missed it...that happens. But how can one miss that at every opportune moment, Mr. Warren labors to be all things to all people? These are the actions of a Universalist, not a born-again Christian.
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