The Righteousness of God is "holiness"
| Posted On: 02/25/08 05:21:08 PM |
Age 59, MA |
God is Holy because He is Righteous. We are sanctifified unto holiness because we meet what God requires as righteous - not how any man may define righteousness, but hod God through His Word expresses His Righteousness. Holiness or sanctification is not something that can be obtained. It is a by-product of God's defintion of righteouness. Righteousness is not a Word that should be read over or taken lightly when God uses it within His Word. More on "Righteousness at: http://www.earstohear.net/Kingdom/Righteousness.html
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UGH- people!
| Posted On: 02/19/08 11:29:25 AM |
Age 32, WA |
For some of the commentors on this piece: Why are you so afraid to call evil what it is!? If someone is a heretic and is helping to lead people to hell, then call them on the carpet! Stand up for what is right!These fine truth- telling pastors and teachers that are not putting up with the rewrititng of the word, do not deserve your critism for their work to expose the works of darkness( false teachers). You are barking up the wrong tree! Align yoruself to the correct side per the bible, people.Rob Bell and friends- teach the bible the correct way, and if you don't, good men and women will call you out!! And then Jesus will...
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Kadosh or Holy
| Posted On: 02/17/08 08:50:10 AM |
Age 47, KS |
If we need instruction on what Elohim considers holy, I would suggest we all study the over 700 commandments in scripture that tell us how He wants us to live and what He considers holy and unholy. Mildew is not holy, blood stains are not holy, and yet many of us are guilty of ignoring the things that Elohim said are holy and unholy in how we will live.
When was the last time that you burned a load of laundry because it sat too long and got overripe in the washer and got mildewy? When was the last time your wife accidentally created a stain on your bed sheets during her monthly cycle? Did you burn the sheets and get new ones? When was the last time you refused to sit in the same chair your wife sits in during her cycle because it is unclean for up to 14 days? Have we all been diligent to check to see if our clothes contain mixed fibers like linen and wool?
Think that is persnickety? Not my opinion, that is what His standard is: Leviticus 13:52 and Deut 22. We all need to start studying HIS standards of Holiness and commandments for everyday life and stop creating lists that serve our own convenience.
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Could it be?
| Posted On: 02/15/08 09:26:20 PM |
Age 26, IN |
I wonder. Could it be that Bell is simply not a great communicator? I have read a couple of his books now, and I think the man has a grasp of sorts on some of the tenets of what makes the gospel the gospel. It's some of the other things that he seems to have trouble putting words to. He does have an extensive knowledge of cultural issues in scripture. Really extensive. He's definitely done his homework when it comes to exegeting correctly. That makes me wonder if he doesn't just have a hard time expressing himself, so he confuses concepts trying to find the words to use. I haven't made up my mind on him yet. Some of the things he says disturbs me, but some of the things he says make sense. I'm wondering what the real Bell is. Is he someone who just confuses what he means, or is he really trying to mislead people. I doubt the second is true.
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- ONLY ONE CONDITON TO BEING SAVED
| Posted On: 02/18/08 12:52:30 PM | | Age 64, OH |
A man who is confused or does not know the truth can not tell others the truth. There are not tenants to the gospel but the gospel is made up of one condition and only one condition. Pauls says in Col 1 there is only one condition to being saved and that is to trust the Lord Jesus Christ to save us. We have to stand firm in this trusting Jesus and trust in nothing else or no one else to save us. The Devil has only one job towards believers and that is to cause someone to trust in Jesus and something else so as to discount the blood of Jesus Christ. Lou
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It's not holiness he's redefining
| Posted On: 02/15/08 04:08:48 PM |
Age 19, CA |
I've read the book Velvet Elvis multiple times, and I think you missed the point Bell's trying to make. If something that is holy is something that is set apart for God, then one could make the argument that the heavens and the earth ARE holy, since they fit the definition. Once I began thinking of creation as set apart for God, and ours to take care of until the time He comes, I found it much harder not to worship God every time I step out into His creation. You also take issue with Bell's saying that if something "is real, it's showing us God," and that "Where you find those (passion, love, and exhilaration), you are finding God." I don't understand why you disagree. Yes, God is found through faith and through Christ, but many more experience Him through the simple joys of their own lives. Shouldn't we evangelize by pointing people to the times in their lives where the have encountered God, whether or not they realized it?
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Confused?
| Posted On: 02/15/08 03:30:26 PM |
Age 58, OR |
I don't think all goosebump moments are of God. People into the occult or non-Christian religions also have their goosebump experiences but that doesn't make them holy.
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- Goosebumps = Holiness?
| Posted On: 02/19/08 11:58:58 AM | | Age 37, SC |
When I was a full fledged satanist / wiccan and we performed ceremonies and cast spells I got goose bumps many many many times. I even had the shivering feeling many times. When I saw first hand some of the results of these ceremonies and spells did that mean I was having an experience from God?
Seeing how satan is a fallen angel and one of Gods creations did that bring me closer to God? NO NO and NO again...
Sheesh... some people are just way to gullible. Just because it is in print does not mean it is right or accurate.
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Elprup
| Posted On: 02/15/08 09:17:21 AM |
Age 52, OH |
Sad that in the body there seems to be a growing cottage industry of people who seemingly justify their existence by detracting from other brothers and sisters work and ministry. Why not do the hard work, be vulnerable and open yourself to critics such as yourself, and write your own book, rather than just tearing others down..? There is just way too much of this, made more manifest by a proliferation of websites by those who feel themselves blessed with the gift of criticism. May God be merciful to us His dysfunctional children...
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- Criticism
| Posted On: 07/30/08 08:35:32 AM | | Age 44, NC |
It's wonderful when we have a person being critical of those who are critical of another all the while condeming the first party for their critical spirits. Wonderful, just plain wonderful...agreement with falshood is not unity...it is sin.
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- Rob Bell “Undefines” Holiness
| Posted On: 02/19/08 10:45:08 PM | | Age 54, IN |
We are to CONTEND for the faith. Good article.
Jude 1:3
[ The sin and doom of Godless men ] Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
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- Bob Dewaay does do the hard work!
| Posted On: 02/15/08 09:03:21 PM | | Age 42, NM |
Bob Dewaay is a pastor and stands before his congregation week after week properly exegeting the Word of God. He has also written several books already - if you would take the time to look before criticizing. Any shepherd who sees his flock being led astray by false teaching, is going to shoot the wolves luring his sheep. As a pastor, I do the same. This is not fault-finding, this is protection.
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- Doctrinal error is dangerous and worth refuting
| Posted On: 02/15/08 08:57:49 PM | | Age 42, NM |
Rob Bell, by overusing/misusing the word "holy" may cause some to think they have "experienced God". That that can give them a false sense of security about their own salvation. But because they've never been born again or washed in the blood, they'll be condemned on judgment day...much to their surprise. All because they experienced existential things they attributed to God's presence and approval. This is the danger of allowing pantheistic views to invade the church. The church is called endure "sound doctrine".
This article is not harsh, nor does it issue personal attacks. It just corrects wrongs teaching, and in so doing, it protects sheep.
Good article.
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- Thank you to Bob Dewaay
| Posted On: 02/15/08 06:54:05 PM | | Age 57, CANADA |
It is because of ideas such as these that we (the Christian church) need people like Bob Dewaay to point out the contrast between Biblical truth and man's ideas. Mr. Dewaay is in no way attacking the author of Vevet Elvis; he is pointing out the contrast between the foolish thoughts of man and the thoughts of God as revealed in scripture. (Isaiah 55:8,9)
Thank you, Mr. Dewaay.
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- Say What?
| Posted On: 02/15/08 01:50:15 PM | | Age 18, SOUTH AFRICA |
Perhaps you should consider that most of the letters in the New Testament are apologetics. We are told to be as innocent as doves but as wise as serpents (Matthew 10), the Bereans compared everything that Paul said to scripture (Acts 17)! How much more should we be questioning teachers today! We're not supposed to sit back and watch heresy take over.
Thank you Mr DeWaay; I wish we had more pastors and teachers who aren't afraid to stand up and say that someone is wrong and explain why. I pray that their is either massive persecution and this foolish idea of the gospel being comfortable and non-confrontational which the majority of 'churches' these days seem to believe is eradicated or, that God sends revival and reforms the church!
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- Iron sharpens iron
| Posted On: 02/15/08 12:56:23 PM | | Age 47, MO |
I know I need to look into Rob Bell and see if this stuff is true. If it is, then is Bob wrong in exposing him? Don't get me wrong, I too find it easier to correct and defend than to teach. This is because most of us are unteachable and don't like to sit around comparing notes and swapping blessings. We are competative by nature and sharpen one another as iron sharpens iron. There is nothing wrong with this and is played out time and again in Sunday schools across the nation. When the conversation is lively, there is learning. Where there is no debate, most people don't come prepared and end up sharing feelings. Just testing a thought; are you a woman? John
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TEST THE SPIRITS
| Posted On: 02/14/08 06:49:38 PM |
Age 64, OH |
Good job Bob. Eve heard from a spiritual source also, known as the Devil. But he is not the Holy Spirit but the unholy spirit. 1 John 4 tells us how to tell between the two. Every spirit that says that God came in the flesh as the Lord Jesus to save us is from God. every spirit that says different is from the unholy spirit. It sounds like Bell has been spending a lot of time with the unholy spirit. Lou
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Everything???
| Posted On: 02/14/08 04:15:13 PM |
Age 31, KS |
If everything is holy & sacred (ie. set apart), then nothing is. It is all common. By blending everything together & calling it all "holy", you eliminate the distinction. Certainly doing so is profaning that which is really holy by associating it with that which is common.
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