Atheists evolve from chickens
| Posted On: 01/26/08 06:00:16 PM |
Age 61, MO |
This kind of article proves absolutely nothing and only causes many who might be convicted of the Holy Spirit to turn away. Invoking Islam in the discussion results in further deterioration of any possible positive message there might have been. From the comments, I see that it did generate some hatred. I'm not impressed. George Cancilla
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Evolving from chickens
| Posted On: 01/25/08 02:40:50 PM |
Age 44, ENGLAND |
ray, those chickens, would they be battery or free range?
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This is not a Muslim Country
| Posted On: 01/25/08 12:41:47 PM |
Age 52, IL |
Ray you miss the point completely. No one is trying to enforce Islamic law on the American public. Fundamentalist Christian groups want Americans to conform to their belief system. That is why you won't see American athiests railing against other religions. "Christians" want religion taught in science classes, and they want gays and abortion to disappear. If Muslim groups were doing this - the athiests would be "hateful" to them too!
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- Huh?
| Posted On: 01/29/08 07:53:50 PM | | Age 28, LA |
"No one is trying to enforce Islamic law on the American public."
Your right, they're not trying to enforce islamic law on the American public... they're just trying to kill us all!!!
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- Re: This is not a Muslim Country
| Posted On: 01/25/08 04:49:47 PM | | Age 45, NJ |
Well you are actually WRONG about that: There ARE muslims trying to impose their faith on their local governments. Look at Britain where they are trying to impose Sharia law! Or how about that town in America that tried to do the same?
Remember September 11th? They attacked us for their faith! Or don;t you remember than Bin Laden has Sworn to kill America and Americans and impose Islam in America?
Your naivete is ASTOUNDING.
Have some courage and walk into a Mosque and do what Ray says. Better yet walk down the sidewalk in Paterson NJ and yell how Mohammed is a charlatan and their god a lie. See how long you last.
Chicken?
Ray is right. Your courage only goes as far as disparaging Christinaity because you think you can just push Christians around. But just like I said to a guy who threatened to push my face in for speaking about Jesus : You'd better think twice (AND I KEPT TALKING). Jesus never said we're to be doormats. That's WHY we are taking BACK this country from your godlessness, step by step... Stand by, we aren't through yet...
Ray has been trying to tell you the truth and you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell, just like Orthodox Jews do when you mention the name of God. You don't want to hear it? Fine. But you have no right to stop us from telling others. That's what the freedom of expression is all about.
See, we know the truth: You're afraid we're right. Otherwise you wouldn't care what we say. You KNOW it's true and that's why you're SO upset.
Repent now because Hell is HOT. God is merciful if you let him be.
For more info on what you need go to http://NeedGod.com and pay attention...
Patrick@OnlyJesusSaves.com / OnlyJesussaves.com Founder
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- You cannot take back anything
| Posted On: 01/26/08 10:53:13 PM | | Age 48, CA |
Nowhere in the Gospel are we commanded to regualte the conduct of unbelievers. This is what the Scribes & Pharasees attempted to do only to earn the scorn of Chrsit himself. Seeking to do things like pass laws against abortion accomplishes nothing. Abortion clinics need to close due to lack of demand for thier services, not by some SWAT Team with crosses on thier kevlar vests. Sadly, as much as we cry out against sins such as abortion, the abortion rate among those who call themselves Christian is no different than the rate among those who do not. There is a lot of work to do and we need to start within the walls of our own Chruches.
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- Speaking in ??
| Posted On: 01/26/08 08:00:17 AM | | Age 44, ENGLAND |
Don't tell me, let me guess, your speaking the truth in love? Am I right?? Steve
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- This is Simple
| Posted On: 01/25/08 08:21:19 PM | | Age 52, IL |
In the United States athiests are RESPONDING to attacks by those who call themselves Christians. If Muslims were trying to get Islam taught in science class and fronting groups against abortion and gays, the athiests would be responding to THEM. This is simple to understand and does not mean athiests condone Muslim, Hindu, Scientology or any any religion. Frankly, many people who are opposed to fundamentalist Christianity don't even think of themselves as athiests - that's the tag Christians pin on them. I think a more accurate term is apathiest.
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- And here you describe the problem
| Posted On: 01/26/08 11:05:45 PM | | Age 48, CA |
Muslims have no qualms about creation. Nor do they have any beef against the Ten Commandments. Their own Sharia Law is based upon them. Science has become religion unto its self. True science seeks to learn the truth. There is no proof that complex creations can come together without inteligent design and yet this is what athiests want us to believe. Can the wind blow through a junkyard and build a car?
Junk scientist attempt to assure us that a fetus is not a human being and that it is ok to kill it in the same manner Nazi junk scientists assured people that Jews were not human and before that, junk scientists assured us that Balcks were only 3/5's human. Yet, when the fetus is "Wanted" Doctors constantly cry out "Take care of your baby before it is born!"
In the case of Homosexuality, Gos warns that it is an abomination. Once again Junk scientists are trying to say one is born to act this way and now these same junk scientists are trying to say the same thing about drug addicts and that we need a war on "Dopaphobic biigotry" in the same manner we have agaisnt :Homophobic biggotry"
Once again, science says the human body was never designed to be used in this manner. In describiung the act of sodomy, Dr. Koop once explained how the rectal cavity was never designed to be penatrated and how even under the best circumstances, microscopic tears occur. he concluded that one could not design a better way of transmitting the AIDS virus if one set out to do so.
So, including God's plan in science classes is not as outragious as one would think.
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- Design and microscopic tears
| Posted On: 01/29/08 10:15:13 PM | | Age 41, AUSTRALIA |
"In describing the act of sodomy, Dr. Koop once explained how the rectal cavity was never designed to be penetrated and how even under the best circumstances, microscopic tears occur. [spelling corrected]"
So on your (and Dr Koop's) logic, the mouth was never designed to consume food because of the tears, or scrapes or burns that can occur, allowing disease to enter. Try eating baguettes sometime.
Not that it was designed. And if it was, the designer was definitely a learner driver.
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- ?
| Posted On: 01/30/08 09:19:07 PM | | Age 30, IA |
You're comparing mouth to anus?
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- The reason why
| Posted On: 01/25/08 04:11:22 PM | | Age 41, WA |
The reason why we want everyone to repent of their sins and believe in Christ is because we love them and so that they won't suffer an eternity in the Lake of Fire!!!
This world would be far better off if everyone would stop believing in trivial things and start trusting in God's Word, the Holy Bible!!!!
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- God and slavery
| Posted On: 01/28/08 02:12:30 PM | | Age 56, TX |
I am an atheist, but a tolerant one. Why didn't god abolish slavery in the Old Testament? Don't you think that the All Knowing might have noticed that slavery is not in the best interest of his children? And why didn't god come up with the idea of the Bill of Rights and put that in the bible instead of that insipid Ten Commandments, or at the least the idea of the Magna Charta? What am I missing here? Why did it take 19th century man to finally come up with the idea that slavery is abhorrent to the very nature of humankind?
You tell me that He has a plan for my life? Did he not have a plan for all of those millions of slaves throughout antiquity? Did he forget? Were they just breeding too fast for him to keep up? Or was that his plan? Live in misery and die an early death?
Why didn't the god of the bible tell his children that they had been born with certain inalienable rights, and that furthermore they were going to hold free and open elections to determine who shall lead their respective governments and that those who cheated were going to Hell instead of setting everyone off against each other, ordering the murder, slaughter and enslavement of millions for over 5 millennia?
You see where I'm going here? I mean, don't you think it a bit odd that the god of the bible (and the other two major religions) just happens to hold a mindset that too closely resembles that of his minions? It wouldn't even have taken a miracle. All god had to say to Moses was, Thou shalt not own any slaves. What an idea! With just six little words this god of yours could have cut human misery by wholes.
Why didn't your god come up with the idea of freedom?
The whole idea of a god to me would seem to be a benevolent, caring spirit who through all of ones plights and tragedies would understand on a deeply spiritual scale the human condition and would try to teach, heal and lead. The god of the bible seems to display a penchant for multiple personality disorder. Why, of all of the pestilences and miseries visited on man, particularly in the name of god, did he allow the practice of slavery? You see, that is why I reject your beliefs. Your god so conveniently seems to agree, in every sadistic chapter, and with such minute detail, with the primeval thought processes of primitive man. Why did he allow slavery? Because it was, and still is, the most profitable of enterprises. Cheap, disposable and renewable energy.
Slavery was early mans idea. And so was your god and so was your bible.
So why wasn't it gods idea to put an end to slavery?
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- who made the computer you're using?
| Posted On: 01/29/08 10:38:20 PM | | Age 30, IA |
Have you ever told a lie? Ever stolen anything (ex. a single Jolly Rancher, an idea, a kiss, cheating on a test, etc.)? Have you felt any deep hate towards another person, even for a second? Do you ever contribute to the destruction of the earth? Do you ever support slavery? What happens after you die?
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- Define slave
| Posted On: 01/29/08 05:26:04 PM | | Age 39, ENGLAND |
To address the issue of slaves in the bible, there's a lot of information on the internet to show what's going on here, but in a nutshell I'll explain, though this might be a bit of an oversimplification. The word slave to us means someone who is forced against their will into a lifestyle they have not chosen and in the worst case to be the property of someone else and no longer a human. This is not the biblical definition, again look it up on the net if you want the details. Let me give you an analogy. Let's say there's a knock at your door one day and outside is a man dressed in rags. He tells you how he has fallen on hard times and he is prepared to work for you, doing jobs around the house and garden etc, in return for food and lodging. This man is asking to be your slave (in the biblical sense). Now tell me is it kinder to tell him to go away or to take him in and help him get back on his feet? God wants us to look after the poor in the world, after all they're poor because we want cheaper clothes, food etc, and want as much for ourselves as we can get. Don't ever think that God allows us to go and steal some people from their homeland, ship them to our plantation and make them work for nothing! By questioning God and His ways all we do is reveal our ignorance, read the book of Job. God will answer genuine questions, and He has done it already by giving us the bible wherein is the answer to all the issues you have by which you choose to disregard Him.
What I find most people don't understand is that they think we, as humans, have rights. Why do we think that? Where do these rights come from, who gives them to us? The only 'right' we have is the freedom to choose between whom we will serve. That's it. We can serve - we think it's ourselves and what we want - the Devil and follow him or we can serve God and follow Him, there's no middle ground, by rejecting God and His way we are keeping ourselves the slaves of the Devil. And the end of this is of course to be cast into hell with him. God doesn't want that, that's what the bible tells us (2 Peter), but He has to punish our selfishness - our desire to do what we want - otherwise He wouldn't be a Just God. But because He is a loving God, He also gives us a way of escape; by turning away from what we want - our sin - and receiving Jesus and what He has done for us we can have our selfishness (and all the wrong we do because of it) forgiven and become a child of God. Steve
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- Slavery defined by the Bible
| Posted On: 02/10/08 05:52:11 AM | | Age 18, CZECH REPUBLIC |
Slavery in the Bible is just like we came to know it. God DOES allows us to go and steal some people from their homeland, ship them to our plantation and make them work for nothing!
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
But you should never have slaves from among your own people, but with other peoples it's okay! Really! It's not like they're human!
Okay, that's not entirely true. You CAN have a slave from your own people. But there are rules:
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)"
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?
(Last paragraph shamelessly copied from http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm)
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Great read
| Posted On: 01/25/08 11:46:10 AM |
Age 39, KY |
Great points Ray. You bring to light what is common in the world today, a hatred for Christianity. This was very plainly outlined thousands of years ago. It's all coming to be, everyone make sure you tell everyone about Christ, biblically of course. Make sure repentance is stressed and the "come to Jesus because He will feel the void in your life" is not part of your message. Thanks and God Bless and God save, Jeff
Acts 4:13 - Live your life so everyone you come into contact with will know that you have been with Jesus.
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Who is really the threat?
| Posted On: 01/25/08 09:21:31 AM |
Age 48, CA |
You love to talk aboput "Those evil Muslims" But the awfull truth is:
Our own abortion clinics kill more of our babies than any terrorist organization.
Our own street gangs shoot more of us than any terror group.
Our own drug dealers poison more of us than anybodies chemical weapons. And our own sexual imorality infects more of us than any bio weapons program.
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- Re; The real threat
| Posted On: 01/25/08 03:11:39 PM | | Age 51, TX |
Alas, what you speak is truth. However, what you are not seeing is that trud Christians who love and fear God are not the ones supporting the abortion clinics and killing our unborn babes...are not the ones joining in street gangs...are not the ones trafficking the illegal drugs...and are not the ones whose lives are overrun by sexual immorality. Now perhaps you can address the subject of this article...just why is it that we don't see and hear this constant outcry against the Muslim community and their god, Allah, like we do with Christianity and the name of Jesus? Only because there is no power in the name of Allah, as there is in the name of Jesus.
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- The point is.....
| Posted On: 01/25/08 04:58:20 PM | | Age 48, CA |
Our rate of abortions, divorce, drug use etc. is a clear indication that we are NOT the Christian nation so many claim to be.
The key word even you mention is "Few".
So, as a nation, we cannot claim "Us good Christians" Vs "Those evil Muslims"
As far as the media, did not Jesus warn "No servant is greater than his master! The world hated me, so too shall the world hate you." Enough said.
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What is it about Moslems?
| Posted On: 01/25/08 09:18:35 AM |
Age 48, CA |
If there are another breed of chickens, it's neocn christians who talk tough as they send others to fight and die.
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- 22 years of military service
| Posted On: 01/25/08 12:16:24 PM | | Age 40, CA |
Sir,
I just retired after 22 years in the Navy. I am what many would consider a Fundamentalist Christian. I have gone in harms way in defense of your freedom to say what you just did. I also agree with what Ray is speaking about. God saved me from my sin through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ.
Hank
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- Oh Please!
| Posted On: 01/25/08 04:54:58 PM | | Age 48, CA |
I myself am a 26 year veteran of the Navy so please spare me the "I was protecting your freedom" Talk. Harms way? What enemy is currently able to sink one of our ships? There has not been a Naval Battle since WW2. Currently, the Navy is what Sci Fi Author Robert H Hienlin calls a "Non Combatant service force".
What battles did you fight?
You did a lot of field daying, fire drilling, and passing a lot of petty inspections. If you did 22 years, you were probably one of those Chiefs who made a seaman clean a head for four hours and then made him do it all over again for dust floating on the water of the commodes (An actual occurence on my last ship).
Both in Viet Nam and Korea, and even today, the Navy is whee the cowards go so thay can "Serve" in a war carrying a swab instead of a rifle.
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- Who can sink our ships?
| Posted On: 01/27/08 08:10:43 AM | | Age 40, TN |
To the gentleman who said he was in the Navy and asked "What nation has been able to sink one of our ships?" Well, a couple guys in a canoe came pretty close to sinking the USS Cole a while back.
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- HATE IS A SIN
| Posted On: 01/25/08 10:26:18 PM | | Age 64, OH |
Dear friend; Is hate a sin. Jesus said it was. I have to admit you seem as filled with hate as the people you rail about. Lou
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- Correct, hate is a sin
| Posted On: 01/26/08 10:34:24 PM | | Age 48, CA |
This is why I refuse to join your hatred of Muslims/ I refuse to bless the bombs we are droppin over there. I refuse to believe the lies about how we are in such danger.
It is not hate to expose a liar. One who was on a ship polishing brightwork, waxing decks and as a senior Petty officer enforcing such things was not defending anything. It is not hate to reviel the truth. It is you who are full of hate as you scream like a cowars and call upn the military instead of God's power to protect you. It is you who are full of hate as ou call upon the government to bomb others into submission to our opostasy. It is not hate to speak out against this blasphamy we are comitting.
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- JESUS OUR ONLY HOPE
| Posted On: 01/29/08 12:52:27 PM | | Age 64, OH |
Dear friend; I do not feel you have any reason to say that I hate Muslims. I do not hate Muslims. I do hate the lie that they have been told that will take many to hell. I do hate the murder that many do in the name of their false god who can not talk or walk and they have to act for him. A god that does not exist and a man who is the grave can not act in their behalf so they feel they have to show the vengeance of their god. I do not support the Empire this nation has become and say it should return to the republic is was. I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to save me and in nothing else. I have absolutely no hope except for the Lord Jesus. I certainly do not put any hope in the church. I do not put any hope in any preacher. I do not put any hope in my salvation but I put all my hope in my Savior. Lou
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- You missed the point
| Posted On: 01/25/08 07:34:15 PM | | Age 40, CA |
You said that the Christians are sitting back and letting others go and fight and die for this country. You are wrong. Christians fully support the troops and there are many Christians over there fighting. You are also making a lot of assumptions about my character that are baseless.
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- Nothing to assume
| Posted On: 01/26/08 10:47:42 PM | | Age 48, CA |
At 22 years you were either a CPO or a 1st class on an HYT waiver. In order to make Chief, you either play the game or you don't get selected. If you are not able to impose such petty inspections upon the troops, you don't make Chief. I myself refused to even take the CPO exam. I made it to 26 years because of several reasons.
1) HYT for a 1st class in the reserves is 24 years.
2) I had a waiver (Yes, I did enjoy the reserve EOD community because it was not a regual blackshoe outfit)
3) 9-11 posponed my retirement for yet another year.
Before anybody "Thanks me for my service" I refuse to accept such gratituteds for I did nothing but field day and fire drill in the sub force and nothing of any signifigance in reserve EOD.
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- If you were really in the Navy
| Posted On: 01/26/08 10:40:38 PM | | Age 48, CA |
You would know what it takes to occupy a nation and we are not in any threat of being invaded and occupied.
There is nothing christian about invading other nations and imposing our opostasy upon them. To tear thier ways and impose ours which leads to teen sex, abortion drugs, gangs, and utter godlessnes is not Christian. There is no gospel of bombs & bullets. Christ does not call upon us to build a military using money we dont' really have and "Liberate the wotld" into our permissive ways. Open you Bible and show me anywhere "The will of the people" AKA "Democracy" Is ever spoken of favorably much less called for.
Once again, you defended nothing. You were a field dayer and fire driller.
Been there. done that.
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well said
| Posted On: 01/25/08 03:56:43 AM |
Age 21, FL |
Mr. Comfort very well said. You are absoluetly right in very way. The world is blessed to have your insights in the world. Thank you for being a spokesman for the way a christian should present themself. God bless you and your family and ministry.
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been there, done that...
| Posted On: 01/25/08 02:04:12 AM |
Age 37, NY |
Nice try Ray. But you are far to naive. I'm online--What head chopping do I have to fear? One great thing about atheism is that we don't have to tip toe around politically correct matters such as this. Muslims believe in just as much nonsense as the christians do. And I can say the same thing about Judaism as well--and not have to fret about anti-semitism. All you guys believe so strongly that it will be the death of us all. Christian extremism has not flourished to the heights of Muslim extremism in this century because the west lives under a modicum of economic security. Imagine if the things were switched. Some fair haired Christian leader would take some part of the bible that he likes and promote and fund suicide bombing the rich muslim countries that oppress us. And on the other hand they would be killing even greater numbers of us than they are now with smart bombs and daisy cutters. You see, It's the same difference no matter how turn it.
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- Drew
| Posted On: 01/25/08 04:14:04 PM | | Age 47, MA |
I beg to differ, there are literally dozens and dozens of muslim led countries (and other religions) where Christians die and are tortured every day, merely for their faith in Jesus Christ, and not once is there any Christian extremist to blame. The atheists are the chickens, but one day, there's going to be an eternal roasting in hell come the Day Of Judgement. Atheism is just another excuse to live your life your way with you yourself as god. Unless you repent, one day you're going to find you and your little throne as one long hot eternal seat.
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- We have done nothing to deserve this?
| Posted On: 01/27/08 11:57:46 AM | | Age 48, CA |
Not true by a long shot! We need to dispel this myth that we "Good Christians" Have been so good and have done nothing to infalme thier anger. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Crusades are burned into thier memory and neocon christians trying to revise history into the crusades being a Biblically correct response to Muslim agression is an otright lie. More recently, WE have been manipulating that region sincethe dawn of the 20th century. WE drew the borders of every nation over there, WE manipulated their governments and sucked their oil. WE Propped up cruel governments who promised to give us oil and toppled popular governments which would not. WE promised not to establish a permanent presence in the rgion only to spit in thier face and proclaim we are staying forever. (This s when Bin Laden declared war on us. I challenge you to come up with one attack Bin Laden wasresponsible for before Clinton made this declaration). WE elected a perverted rapist for a president and then HE tried to impose godless liberalism upon the Islamic world (Yes, this was his policy)
We are now the invaders claming to be good Christians as we engage in divorce, abortion, drugs, pornography, and have our kids have unwanted babies and joining gangs.
And you have the nerve to say we are good?
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