...right... Part two.
| Posted On: 03/09/08 08:39:06 AM |
Age 21, NC |
Continued. (Also, please excuse any multiples of anything I might post. I am still unfamiliar with this comment system.)
"If you are an atheist, I hope I’m ruffling your feathers."
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it will take a much better argument than the ones I've seen here to bother me in any way.
"I want to get under your skin and ask why you don’t have the courage to even whisper to Moslems what you keep shouting at Christians."
Well, if I personally don't, it's because I don't have the occasion to debate with many Muslims, and when I do, the topic is usually not religion.
"Prove me wrong. Get onto a Moslem website and tell them that you don’t believe their god exists."
I don't believe their god exists, because their god is the same as your god, and I do not believe in any interpretation of the Abrahamic god.
"Do your little “I don’t believe in Zeus” thing."
Ok. I don't believe in Zeus.
"Tell them they believe a myth. Talk about Mohammed as you do Jesus (use lower case for Mohamed)."
That would be grammatically inappropriate. As would spelling Jesus with a lower case initial letter be.
"Do your “I don’t believe in the flying spaghetti monster” thing."
I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Though, I must say, the fact that Mr. Henderson assembled as much evidence for his god as the combined forces of two thousand years of Christians is quite an achievement.
"Tell them that we weren’t made by a god (lower case), but that they evolved from primates (that will go down well)."
Ok. Humans were not created, but in fact, evolved from an ancient humanoid species, a common ancestor we happen to share with many primates today.
"Also, let them know in no uncertain terms that the Koran is full of mistakes (give some examples), and that their mosques are full of hypocrites."
It is, actually.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
That link breaks it down nicely, so that I don't have to.
"You wouldn’t dare, because you are chicken-livered."
I believe I just did dare. Therefore, your argument, as insupportable as it already was, is now blatantly disproven and false.
"You know that they are not like Christians. Despite the “anonymity” of your little chicken coop, they would come after you to lop off your head."
I seriously doubt it. A logical Muslim would accept my belief that his god does not exist, and quite frankly, a fundamentalist Muslim is no more dangerous than a fundamentalist Christian.
Also, just out of curiosity, do you people agree with Fred Phelps?
"And when they find you, you would fall on your knees and be praying to God for help, quicker than I can move a fly swat . . . and I'm pretty quick."
I will never pray to that in which I do not believe.
"So, think about what you are doing, and think about how much you value your life. Then think about what we are telling you. Think."
I think my responses show that I have brain activity.
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...right...
| Posted On: 03/09/08 08:36:47 AM |
Age 21, NC |
Somehow, I expected more from this post. I didn't really know what to expect, as this is my first visit to this site, but I can say that I'm rather used to better arguments from Christians against atheists. And where I come from, let's just say that if I consider their arguments better, you have much work to do.
I mean, seriously. If the best thing you can think of to say to discredit atheists is to insult their intelligence with personal attacks, then you don't even deserve my time.
But, since I have nothing better to do this morning, I figure I'll work this out bit by bit.
"A loving Christian brother just emailed me and said, “Man-o-man. There are some bitter, furious, Christian hatin' bloggers out there!!!”"
I feel your pain. For every group that is in existence, there is someone who wishes to destroy them.
"I told him that he is seeing comparatively nice ones. I delete the bad blogs."
As is your right.
"He’s right though. Some of the atheists that are part of this blog are pretty nasty."
I would imagine that, despite my inevitable disagreement as to the nature of your usage of the term "nasty", you are correct.
"So, I have decided to return a bit of the fire (in love, of course)."
Having read the rest of this, I'd love to know how you consider this love.
"My new theory is that perhaps atheists evolved from the chicken, because they not only have chicken characteristics--a head, eyes, mouth, skin, neck, heart, earlobes and legs (homology structures),"
As do you, might I mention.
"but they also have the chicken’s tendencies--they are chicken livered."
Oh, I don't know. Attempting to discredit an entire group by insulting them with ad hominems seems to me to be quite cowardly.
Or, in the jargon some of my fellow internet compatriots would use, NO U.
"They hang around Christians like annoying little bugs hang around light, trying to inject their poison whenever they can."
See above.
Continued.
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- strange
| Posted On: 05/18/08 06:25:32 AM | | Age 60, NY |
I noticed that this poster didi not make any comment concerning the athesist, But rather the Christian point of view, Maybe they are just a snake in the grass
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Grow up.
| Posted On: 02/12/08 12:02:49 PM |
Age 27, MEXICO |
We do not speak of muslims the way we speak of christians because we are not surrounded by muslims. The direct threat, the one who is pulling us in the USA and Mexico to the Dark Ages again, are Christians. We know that they are more tolerant towards criticism than muslims nowadays, that they won't burn us in the stake today, but they did it a few centuries ago, for the love of Christ and the salvation of our souls. So thank you, but no. Chistians are not my enemies, but their religion is. All those evidence in the Nets about the accuracy of the Bible is poor, really bad fundamented, and supported by faith and not by scientific standars. The few parts that are correct do not contradict evolution, heliocentrism or any other scientific theory.
You know what? If you do not believe in Evolution, why should you believe in technology? Is based in the same type of thought: scientific one. So, get out of the internet (electronic, neural network), stop using microwaves (Quantum Physic), telephone (Electricity), and antibiotics (modern biology and medicine uses explicitly on its research evolution data). Go get Amish or something like that. Be coherent. Farewell, as I may only hear from you in the Discovery Channel, praying to a guy who was born of a virgin...
PD: A lot of scientists have died for your sins also. Hypatia, Tycho Brahe, Kepler, many physicians of the XV century, accused of witchcraft. Do you believe in Witchcraft also? Honour them.
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- no thanks...
| Posted On: 02/14/08 07:45:02 PM | | Age 44, IL |
you forgot to mention the almost 170 million people murdered by atheist regimes in the last few centuries. It's funny how atheists always forget that! And I will keep using all the benefits of technology.After all,it is God who provides. I will be praying for all atheists everywhere.
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- *snort*
| Posted On: 02/15/08 05:25:40 AM | | Age 18, CZECH REPUBLIC |
And which Atheist Regimes would that be? Care to elaborate?
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- are you kidding?
| Posted On: 02/17/08 07:16:36 AM | | Age 44, IL |
what atheist regimes? are you kidding? the former ussr,communist china, mao's army between 1923-1949,nazi germany,communist poland,communist cambodia,communist viet nam,communist yugoslavia,the anti-christian mexican revolution,turkey, pakistan and japan should also be mentioned. If you want a break down of how many were murdered I can certainly provide those numbers for you. It's a fact,atheistic regimes feel no moral restraint. Murderous dictators have shown no hesitation in commiting mass murder,believing it will advance their more rational and scientific social aims.
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- Research
| Posted On: 02/19/08 11:58:26 PM | | Age 19, NE |
Seriously you people need to research things much better. A lot of the instances you mentioned were of not countries that were officially atheistic, but just didn't like christians (i.e. Japan (Shinto), Pakistan (Islam), Turkey (Islam)) or, in the case Nazi Germany, blatantly christian. Furthermore, in the countries that endorsed atheism, the atrocities weren't caused by any atheistic beliefs, but the attempts to control dissent.
If religious beliefs have an effect on readiness to commit atrocities, it would more likely be from the presence rather than the lack thereof. Particularly if you consider things such as the Crusades, the inquisitions, the murder and forceful conversion of Native Americans, and the more modern bombings in New York and London.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. ~ Steven Weinberg
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- so it's ok...
| Posted On: 02/20/08 03:53:32 PM | | Age 44, IL |
so accordind to your "logic" it's ok for athistic regimes to kill to control the dissenting population? what kind of nonsense is that. Seriously,you need to do your research also. Nazi germany was NOT blatantly Christian. It was blatantly national sosialistic.Which in of itself suppressed everyone who did not agree with their atheistic views.Also,the VERY weak argument of the crusader mentality is very old and worn out. There is no way that the crusades can even be compared to the visciousness of atheistic regimes. Ten of millions killed as compared to tens of thousands,please,go do some more research.And the crusades were in response to aggression from islamic attacks. So please,get your facts straight, and come up with something fresh.
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- Counter
| Posted On: 02/21/08 10:12:42 AM | | Age 19, NE |
First of all, I am not arguing from a logic where it's okay to slaughter people whole sale for going against the government. My point was that atheism isn't the cause for what they did, because it has to beliefs or tenants that people should follow which could cause them to do these terrible things. Saying, "We don't believe there's a god" and "We should kill these people who are different from us" are part of two separate ideas.
Secondly, why is it that you say that the Nazi party wanted to suppress people who didn't agree with their atheistic views? It seems strange that this would be true considering that Hitler was a Christian. In case you say he wasn't, it certainly seems that way if you read this quote from Mein Kampf,
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
This is just one quote of many. If you want to see more just Google "Hitler Christian" and you should get something. I'll admit that the Nazi party was a socialist party and technically not part of a religion. However, the same could be said for the U.S. and the major political parties in the country. The U.S. is founded on a secular constitution and the Republican and Democratic parties are political groups that don't require a certain religious affiliation. However, this doesn't stop people in the group from having opinions on religion. The same goes for the Nazis, who were majority Christan and in some cases influenced to act because of their Christan beliefs.
Thirdly, the argument about atrocities committed by religious people is meant to illustrate that adherence to a religion doesn't give people the moral high ground. Believers could kill and harm others just as easily as non-believers. However, their non-belief isn't a cause for their crimes. Theism and atheism have no core beliefs and cannot be causes for these events. You only get reasons for these actions you pile ideas and philosophies on top of them such as with Christianity, Islam, Communism, etc.
Finally I'm assuming you agreed with the part about Japan, Pakistan, and Turkey not being atheistic. Also sorry I'm so lengthy.
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- sorry
| Posted On: 03/05/08 09:29:58 PM | | Age 44, IL |
sorry,but you have not really addressed the point I was making. That being,atheistic governments have little moral restraint as it applies to good moral judgement and responsible behavior.The facts are there to prove my argument. And adolph hitler was NOT a Christian,read the WHOLE context of what he wrote,don't just pick certain lines from the book. That is like coming up with a theory and then shaping the facts to fit your theory,kind of like how scientists have done with the THEORY of evolution.But I digress. Also,only someone completely devoid of the facts would argue that the nazis did not suppress those who did not agree with their form of governing. And hitler did insttute prayer in church ,but to worship him,and not to worship GOD.Once again,national sosialism is in no way shape or form associated with Christianity.They were not acting on their "Christian" beliefs,they were acting on their own Godless and atheistic beliefs. Try reading God and Government by Chuck Colson,it may clear up any isssues you have about the whole hitler and nazi misinformation thing you have. And why is it that atheists assume that the constitution is "secular?" It was written by GOD fearing men,who had a healthy love and respect for GOD.What do you mean theism has no core beliefs,have you not heard of the Ten Commandments?Or any other of the over 600 laws set forth in the bible? Please,where do come up with this stuff?
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Um...Not?
| Posted On: 02/04/08 01:25:22 PM |
Age 18, CZECH REPUBLIC |
Okay, after displaying a level of ignorance of evolution that I have rarely seen before you criticize atheists for... not hate-mailing Muslims? O~kay?
Question: Why are you not trying to convert Muslims on their blogs? After all, it is your duty as a Christian to point the way of your one chance to salvation et cetera.
The fact is - atheists think as little of Muslims as they do of Christians and write accordingly on their respective blogs. And then they get spammed and hate-mailed by loads of Christians. You know, since this is the English blogosphere and there are more English-speaking Christian bloggers than Muslim bloggers, we pay more attention to the Christians since it's THEM who hate-mail us the most and tell us how we're going to be tortured forever for the offence of disagreeing. So, naturally, most attacks then focus on Christianity and sometimes are taken to Christian blogs, but rest assured, we reject Islam just as much.
I have seen only few (two, to be specific) Muslim blogs and none of those had ignorant anti-Darwinian contents and presented an offensively distorted portrayal of atheism. As long as they don’t try to convert me or threaten me with eternal damnation, hey, I’m cool.
Although it would certainly be interesting to see the Muslim equivalent of “Answers in Genesis”.
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- The issue is not the mean catholics
| Posted On: 04/15/08 12:58:10 PM | | Age 40, FL |
Alot of angry atheists. Can someone help me understand why any atheists would get so uppity on a site like this?
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Oh My!
| Posted On: 02/02/08 04:47:11 PM |
Age 48, IL |
Islam has just as much evidential support and logical consistency as Christianity. Zero. Nil. Nada.
Ray's rant was just ludicrous, showcasing his usual lack of knowledge of science, especially evolution, and his incredibly deficient reasoning skills. But I draw the line at "Do your “I don’t believe in the flying spaghetti monster” thing". How dare Ray insult the Pastafarians like this! He doesn't need to worry about any non-existent god or devil, but the wrath of the almighty FSM. Ray will be touched by His Noodly Appendage, and not in a good way. Aaaaarrrggghhhh!
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Chickens lie, too.
| Posted On: 02/01/08 04:24:06 PM |
Age 19, WI |
A couple of sentances in a couple of atheist bibles--er, I mean books--does not mean atheists (I'm not changing to "Non-theists" no matter how much you use it) attack Muslims with half the viciousness that they do Christians. Or any other faith, really.
Take a Muslim on Larry King Live and grill them about how intolerent and foolish their faith is, asking them how dare they think they are actually correct about something. For all the "intelligence" going on between atheist ears, it amazes me that they missed the point of such a simple message from Ray. Your attacks are much less frequent on other faiths, and they would NEVER be as vicious. Go call a muslim blind, stupid, and that he's using his faith for a cruth. Then run.
The real truth is that Christianity bothers you because it magnifies what your conscience already attests to: You are guilty before your Maker, and your time is running out.
-Matt
P.S.: To my Christian friend that got all upset about this article... Rebuking enemies of God for their underhanded tactics is not unbiblical. Check out the New Testament.
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- Lithp thayth:
| Posted On: 04/14/08 11:43:48 PM | | Age 16, PA |
(For the record, the title reads "Lisp says" with a lisp. Any time I make commentary relating to religion, I refer to myself as "Lithp," because this is the name I use on a certain website. Right then, moving along:)
...Dude...it's M-U-S-L-I-M-S.
And I've said things to Muslims that I've said to Christians. The simple fact is that there are a lot more Christians around and I don't go out of my way to preach my beliefs to those who don't believe in them.
And I don't see how atheists are so horrible to you. In that little rant, you took a very racist stance, basically stating that all Muslims were sociopaths. Y'know, I have a cousin who converted to Islam. I was debating with her husband about whether or not the Abrahamic religions were true, and you know what he did? Well, he didn't "chop my head off," or compare me to a chicken, that's for sure.
Speaking of which, you sort of lost the extendend metaphor when the chickens started injecting venom. Just thought I'd point that out.
Lastly, I'd like to think I wouldn't pray if my life was in danger, but I was raised in a Christian family. Reflexive actions you were taught when you were in kindergarten are very hard to shake, so it's quite possible I might.
Now, I can't help but ask...what was the point in that whole thing? I mean sure, there are a lot of condescending atheists (I myself happen to have an Ego so large that I denote it with a capital "e"), but then there's the "Well, if you don't believe in Jesus, you're going to go to Hell and suffer forever and you'll deserve it!" people. I don't see how you're really helping the problem here....
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How many atheists.....?
| Posted On: 01/31/08 11:05:29 PM |
Age 36, TN |
How many atheists does it take to screw in a lightbulb. NONE! If they just wait a million years, the light bulb will simply screw in itself!
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- so..
| Posted On: 04/11/08 06:49:35 PM | | Age 19, ENGLAND |
so on the 6th day god created lightbulbs?..
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Not a big difference
| Posted On: 01/30/08 06:20:38 PM |
Age 55, CA |
Here's where I like to remind the Christian that the atheist refuses to believe in every single god that the Christian refuses to believe in.
Plus one.
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A note on capitalisation.
| Posted On: 01/30/08 02:56:12 AM |
Age 99, AUSTRALIA |
Ray Comfort said: "Talk about Mohammed as you do Jesus (use lower case for Mohamed). Do your "I don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster" thing. Tell them that we weren't made by a god (lower case)"
Ray, just a note about capitalisaltion.
"Mohamed" and "Jesus" are capitalized when they refer to people, because they are proper nouns, when they don't refer to people they are not (eg "jesusnut").
"God/s" (except, as here, when it begins a sentence) is NOT capitalised because it is an abstract noun like "love".
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*headdesk*
| Posted On: 01/30/08 01:19:45 AM |
Age 22, AUSTRALIA |
ray. i think this post is just stupid and rather disrespectful towards not only your own religion (via you acting like a knob) but also towards islam/muslim creeds as well as athiests.
you are advocating a form of violence which is something i find disgusting in a christian. it's kinda hypocritical which is why there are so many people that find the religion to be a bit false.
but also... are you completly going against scientific evidence? what you should be doing is finding a way to mesh your bible stories with scientific evidence to make the whole thing more plausable...
the whole idea of decent purely from adam and eve is disgusting... talk about incest right there.
ack.
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- ack?
| Posted On: 01/30/08 03:15:03 PM | | Age 39, ENGLAND |
Quote: "what you should be doing is finding a way to mesh your bible stories with scientific evidence to make the whole thing more plausible..." why? Our mission in life is to warn people of what is going to happen to them when they die if they continue to reject Jesus' offer of salvation. Are you suggesting that we ignore what Jesus told us and follow your opinion instead?
Oh, by the way the issue of Adam and Eve and all the other things you may have a problem with in the bible, have all been answered by scientists, doctors, professors etc, look it up on the internet it's all there, the answersingenesis guys have a lot of detailed, peer reviewed, papers which show, using proven scientific methods, how the evidence we find here on earth, e.g. DNA sequencing or fossils of marine animals on top of mountains etc. does agree with the biblical account of history. You should study something before blindly rejecting it.
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