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| Posted On: 01/24/08 02:19:07 PM |
Age 53, CANADA |
Yelo also says, “All of us have dreams hibernating inside of us.” Perhaps, but who’s to say these dreams are good, i.e. God-honoring? For “the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick, who can understand it” (Jer. 17:9)? For “none is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God” (Rom 3:10-11). Yet everyone is encouraged to follow hard after their dreams.
The above is not the full story of Jesus. He came preaching the Kingdom of God is here in Him. God loves every person in the world (John 3:16) and so He took Himself to the cross to cure man from His sickness (Sin). Therefore if by faith we accept His cure we are no longer under the curse which is partly explained in the above verses.
Also the scriptures clearly state that dreams will be given to us by God ( e.g. Joseph, old testament prophets and old men will dream dreams when the Spirit is poured out(Acts 2v17).
The scriptures also tell us to follow the spirit of the law not the letter. The word potential might not be in your scriptures but many of Jesus' words and actions brought out the potential in people (Zacchaeus. Peter, the seed in parables etc.)
So many christians would call what you have written heretical just as they would some teachings of "biblical Christian" teachers.
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
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HEROES CREATE - MEN TALK FOOLISHNESS
| Posted On: 01/21/08 05:58:51 PM |
Age 64, OK |
What you or I think means nothing. It is what God says that means everything. The Bible says Jesus is THE Creator. It does not say A creator. McManus is quoted as saying "create the future". I can tell food from garbage and this is garbage. There is only one Creator and we can not create anything. McManus is quoted as saying, "for me the gospel was a call to live a heroic life". Satan was the originator of this saying when he said, "I will be like the Most High". McManus is no hero but a sinner like every other man. At the END of his life Paul said he was "Chief of sinners" not a hero. David was not a hero for Christ but Christ was the Hero in David. Christ was the hero not David. Every man is rotten to the very core and his heart is evil. But I have died to self and it is no longer me that lives but Jesus Christ in me. The more I am made aware of my sin and confess it to Jesus the more I die and he lives in me. Jesus created the whole universe with it's billions of galaxies. If you are going to be like Jesus surly you can by now create a little puny planet or at least a moon. No, well how about a little molecule, just one of them. If you are going to be a hero surly you can keep yourself from becoming bald or from getting cancer. You a hero, make yourself young again, and i will believe you. I can back my claims up about myself can McManus or you. Lou
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I agree
| Posted On: 01/18/08 11:42:45 AM |
Age 52, CA |
I attended a Mosaic church plant for 7 months. I ended up there mainly because a bunch of my friends were there after the church we were attending went through some drastic changes. Mosaic seems so great on the surface. I really enjoyed it at first. Then I started to realize that the message was always the "positive gospel". It was sort of like "you are great, but with Christ you can be even better". Besides attending the church, I started listening to sermons by Erwin and reading his books. I was shocked in one sermon when faced with the question is there a hell? Erwin said he preferred to dwell on the positive, not the negative. In other words he refused to answer the question. When asked is Christ the only way, he indicated that Christ is the only one that truly loves you, so why not go towards the love.
These are just 2 of the truck load of reasons that caused me to leave Mosaic. There is not enough room to list the rest. There was so much error that I had to leave.I went back to the denomination that I came from and so glad I did. It's so good to hear the whole gospel on a regular basis. It is so nice to experience God's presence again. I am glad to be back home.
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- Re: I agree
| Posted On: 03/19/08 06:51:52 AM | | Age 57, FRANCE |
We moved from Paris area to this picturesque town on the Atlantic coast and were pleased to find a Baptist church which seemed flourishing. But we soon found that the (American) pastor's sermons were superficial, and his messages un-Biblical most of the time.
He also tried to major on the positives, and ignore the negatives, whereas the true gospel is first of all negative : man is separated from God by sin!
The pastor once started off a sermon by asking : "How often did Jesus talk about hell?", the answer he expected was obviously "not often", by I had done a study on the subject, and I called out "11 times"! Deathly silence ensued, then he went on, "well, not often anyway"...!
There is a saying that if God says something once, we must pay attention, if He says it twice, we must really listen! So when Jesus says something which is repeated in the gospels 11 times, you'd better believe it!
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maximum potential
| Posted On: 01/18/08 10:42:31 AM |
Age 23, MEXICO |
Well, I'd say that Mr McManus is offering just exactly what he can give:
to bring out our maximum potential and to make ourselves glow with our own shine...... poor of him and those that believe that that is all we can ever be.
There's so much more in Jesus and a humble "me" than in "me" alone, so sad all those humanists can't see that.
We should pray for Mr McManus and everyone else that aren't "getting the whole picture" on what God and all of His teachings have to offer.
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McManus
| Posted On: 01/18/08 10:38:03 AM |
Age 61, MO |
What McManus and the other purpose driven and emergent churches are doing is gathering up unbelievers to form a cohesive force against the True Church. Judging from their numbers, they have been quite successful. I am sure the Holy Spirit will judge their efforts, and convict those who have been ensnared by them. We who are watchmen can know that we have sounded an alarm. George Cancilla
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McManus Article
| Posted On: 01/18/08 09:54:17 AM |
Age 54, WI |
Sorry to hear that you take such exception to McManus. I have found him to be both biblical and credible in his teaching. In fact, it is a similar message we preach when going into WI. prisons to preach the good news of the gospel.
Please don't forget that Jesus tells us that we are the light of the world and that we will do greater things than He did. Paul tells us that we are more than conquerors and that we have the mind of Christ. Oh, and there is that little thing about God giving everything to us that He has gave to Jesus!
Certainly Romans is true... for pre-regenerate people. We have no merit other than what Christ has done. But now, we are IN Christ and He is IN us! That changes everything!
We are called his Bride, which leads me to think that when we are in Christ, God is seeing something in His people to cause Him to "betroth" Himself to us. A big part of what the mainstream church has missed is exactly what you are writing against. It is the day of the saints. The true church is finally rising up and walking into our destinies.
McManus is correct in calling us up into a higher place.
We are Kings kids and I don't know about you, but I for one want to partake of the inheritance we are promised and the Kingdom which Jesus said is at hand and I want to participate in the divine nature.
Don't miss what God is doing now! These are exciting times! God is moving!
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- Rebuttal
| Posted On: 01/22/08 10:04:40 AM | | Age 44, MN |
Thanks to CWN for their ministry. It's very important that we have organizations like this that are dedicated to finding, uncovering and then publicly pointing out error in popular and highly visible people and their ministries. I rarely, if ever, have the time to seek this stuff out myself - so, thanks! Question: do some of these ministries and people that are scrutinized by CWN have rebuttals that are published? It seems to me that some of the quotes from Erwin, Joel, Rick, etc...could mistakenly be taken out of context which could cause some of your readers to be mislead. Also, do you know of any ministries or organizations that are dedicated to pointing out error in the CWN ministry? I'd be very interested in what they would have to say.
I enjoy receiving articles from CWN every week - Thanks.
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- McManus
| Posted On: 01/19/08 08:09:35 PM | | Age 61, MO |
“The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Rom 8:16-18).
We have God’s promises, IF we suffer with him. Faith is not simply a matter of assenting to the Truth of some Bible verses, and then going around and declaring them, and confessing that they must come to pass, because God said so! Faith comes by personally submitting ourselves to Jesus as our personal Lord, then asking God to do whatever it takes to bring us under Christ; and what that will take is the Cross. “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” (Matthew 16:21-25). George Cancilla
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- Jesus is Lord
| Posted On: 01/24/08 01:52:45 PM | | Age 53, CANADA |
This is not a defense of McManus but I feel that I need to ask if you have read any of his books etc. Have you put this matter at Jesus' feet and know His will on it. Has the Spirit spoken. Maybe in todays English ...whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” is finding our potential in God after we have submitted to Jesus as Lord (Lost our life in Him).
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Sad Commentary
| Posted On: 01/18/08 07:59:39 AM |
Age 53, OH |
It is sad to read your articles, which seem to me to be more interested in creating division than really seeking after the truth. You have reduced the Scriptures to a few narrow theological concepts which largely ignore the historical context in which Jesus was speaking and moving. And much like the pharisees of his day, the most "religious," of the time, you miss so much in condemning others who are genuining seeking the life-giving power of our Savior. Call it eastern mysticism or whatever to make your point. Nonetheless, you are missing the deeper elements of the Gospel by reducing it to a few theological propositions.
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- McMANUS CREATOR OF THE FUTURE ???
| Posted On: 01/21/08 06:07:51 PM | | Age 64, OH |
If you believe McManus who told you to create the future then do it. Jesus THE Creator created EVERYTHING that exists and nothing exists that Jesus did not Create. So what can we create, nothing is left for he created everything. If you can create the future then show us. We will not ask for a Galaxy or even a star; but certainly you can create one puny planet, No, how about a little rock. No, then surly one molecule. No, then you can make yourself young again or keep yourself from getting sick. Have you ever looked at yourself in a mirror, HERO ????? I have looked in mirror and find myself chief of sinners. Lou
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- Man creates
| Posted On: 01/24/08 01:35:47 PM | | Age 53, CANADA |
Of course man creates - art, music, buildings and much more. This is one of the things that sets us apart from the rest of God's creation. As we see what the Father is doing we join Him and in this way, from a human perspective, we do influence the future. I think that is all Mr McManus is saying. Jesus consistently showed people their potential e.g. His disciples (changed Simon's name to Peter), Zacchaeus. This is also a theme in His parables - the good Samaritan, the prodigal son. There are many more examples
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- DEAD MEN CAN DO NO GOOD WORKS
| Posted On: 01/25/08 06:45:29 PM | | Age 64, OH |
There is not one good thing in any man. The only potential man has is to sin. If we give our life to Jesus Christ and die to ourselves then it is no longer we that live but it is Jesus in us. This is not a play on words but it is literally true. The Holy Spirit of The Lord Jesus Christ is the only one who has any potential for good. If I give my life to Him then Jesus does good works in me. i am just the body he uses. He is the One who speaks and acts. Lou
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I have the potential of gaining Heaven if...
| Posted On: 01/18/08 06:27:34 AM |
Age 65, CA |
You are right on in your analysis of this potential movement.
We all have the potential to be saved, simply because we are all sinners.
We all have the potential to gain Heaven simply because we all can be saved for salvation.
Potential is nothing special...simply because we all have it.
I have the potential to be discerning enough to ignore this "movement", however, I must exercise my discernment and ignore the lies that have the potential to kill me...
Neal S Bishop
a Bible Ministry
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EASTERN RELIGION
| Posted On: 01/17/08 11:42:08 PM |
Age 64, OH |
I am thankful that you have been delivered from such drivel. This is nothing but eastern religion with 5% Jesus added. I will take the 100% Jesus myself. Lou
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