Southern Baptist Mississippi
| Posted On: 01/05/08 01:34:32 PM |
Age 53, MS |
I appreciate your information as a fellow Christian about popular Christian Leaders who steer from the Orthodox Christian beliefs. I try to stay informed about other religions in the United States and the world. I feel it is too important not to be informed because we can all be deceived. (I myself am a Southern Baptist.) We all need this information for witnessing tools as well if we are challenged on our beliefs versus theirs...Is Joel Osteen a part of the "Word Faith" religious movement? And what about Joyce Meyer, is she of the same movement? And if so, is this not considered a cult? I read some information on the Watchman Fellowship website who profiles different religions and posts information on them. The said the Word Faith movement is a blend of New Age elements and Eastern Mystical...Can you give me further information on these topics? Thanks, Ms.
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- to southern baptist mississippi
| Posted On: 01/16/08 10:01:35 AM | | Age 43, NH |
The problem with the "word of faith" movement is the same problem with most error. There is mixture of truth and lies. I would not say that everything they say is a lie. You see that is what deception is. It is a mixture of truth and lies that sound good to the ear but do not pass the test of the Word of God or the motivation of the Spirit to servanthood. Joyce Meyers seems to be a very nice person however she has no place teaching men the bible and much of her teaching is error.
-Dr. David M. Berman
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Joel Osteen Article
| Posted On: 01/05/08 11:16:53 AM |
Age 38, TX |
The apostle Peter had a similar problem that Pastor Osteen seems to have, namely a wishy-washy approach to the gospel depending upon who his audience was (Galatians 2:11-14). Paul brought "blame" and correction to Peter but I do not read anywhere in scripture where Peter was referred to as a "heretic". Peter had a lot of faults but I doubt any of us today would use the word "heretic" to describe Peter.
Brethren, we need to be very, very careful about playing the heretic card. There is a very large difference between being a deceiver and being deceived. None of us are immune to deception. I dare say that even the most educated among us have been guilty of misrepresenting the Word of God due to ignorance and even deception. Being ignorant or decieved does not make us a heretic anymore than Peter was a heretic. While I do not agree with Brother Osteen's opinion on this issue, I recognize that he is a flawed human being and even more to the point, he is my brother in Christ.
I also like the part in Galatians 2 where Paul withstood Peter to his face and handled things like Christ instructed us to (Matthew 18:15) instead of writing a letter to the church labeling Peter a heretic and teaching people to treat him like a spiritual leper.
God's men need to treat each other the way they would like to be treated and I dare say that if any of us were speaking in error most of us would rather someone come to us in love to instruct, rebuke and correct us rather than write a slanderous article screaming "heretic".
Would that we had the attitude of David (1 Sam.24:6) and a desire to "speak the truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15) in our Fundamental, Evangelical, Denominational churches today. Were that the case I doubt we would be suffering the mass exodus of true believers from the church that we have seen in the last few generations...
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- JESUS SAID; WOE TO YOU WHO ARE RICH
| Posted On: 01/08/08 12:20:40 PM | | Age 64, OH |
The mistake peter made was an exception to his ministry. Peter preached the true gospel almost all of his life after he was born again. What the author is talking about is not one mistake that Osteen has made but a whole body of work that is in opposition to the gospel. I find it hard to see how Joel is treated as a leper with all of his millions that he has earned while preaching his false gospel. Here is a scripture in Luke that many do not like to remember: 20Looking at his disciples, he said:
"Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
22Blessed are you when men hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
23"Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their fathers treated the prophets.
24"But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets. - Do you think the scriptures are correct. Do you think Jesus meant just what he said or do you think Jesus was trying to deceive us. Lou
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- RE: Woe unto you who are rich
| Posted On: 01/08/08 10:09:49 PM | | Age 38, TX |
"Do you think the scriptures are correct"? Yes
"Do you think Jesus meant just what he said" Yes
"or do you think Jesus was trying to deceive us." No.
Do I think this passage in Luke is the only criteria given by God to discern if someone is a false prophet or not? Of course not: (Matthew 7:15-16; 1 John 4:1-3).
Do I think every pastor/minister who is rich is a false prophet? no, you must also try their spirit and inspect their fruit. I know several doctrinally sound men who have been blessed financially by a God who loves to give good gifts to men.
Do I think every pastor/minister who is well spoken of in the world community is a false prophet or a heretic? No, you must also try their spirits and inspect their fruit. I know many biblically sound men who have a great reputation in their communities and their churches.
Trying spirits takes spiritual discernment; fruit inspection requires godly wisdom as well as Bible knowledge. There are many pieces to these spiritual puzzles, gentlemen. That is why we must rightly divide the entire word of truth and not just camp on our favorite sugar stick.
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- JESUS WAS POOR- FOLLOW HIM
| Posted On: 01/10/08 01:35:57 AM | | Age 64, OH |
I once asked a man if he was Christian or Muslim, he said both. I once asked a man if he was democrat or republican, he said both. I once asked a man if he believed the Holy Scriptures that said "woe to the rich" or did he think it was OK to be very rich and even still claim to be a leader in the the body of Christ. YOU SAID BOTH. Jesus was one of the poorest Men who ever lived and he has asked us to follow Him. What did Jesus tell the rich young ruler. How can any man who claims to follow Jesus live in the lap of luxury while innocent small children are starving to death and are broken hearted thinking that God does not love them because they have no food. If any man has many millions let him give most of to these children so they can EAT. These rich men who claim to follow Jesus then could live the way the rest of us do. I eat OK. Joel could give give 99% of his income to the poor, then I might drive to Texas to see what was going on. Any man who has Christ has no need of millions. Lou
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- truthmatters
| Posted On: 01/08/08 08:18:49 AM | | Age 43, PA |
While it is true that none of us are immune to deception, and we've all probably misinterpreted God's Word at times, that's not the issue here, nor was it with Peter. The fact is, had Peter continued with his erronious teaching, he would be labeled a heretic today. The issue is whether Joel Olsteen repents and submits to the Word of God and beings to preach the true gospel. For years now, faithful men have tried to patiently correct, instruct, and rebuke Olsteen on his heretical teachings, and he has refused the correction of God's Word. It's not his initial bad theology that makes him a heretic, it's his continual teaching of it that does. Oh, and by the way, there is no 'mass exodus of true believers from the church' as you put it, true believers ARE the church. What you are seeing is groups of people who meet in buildings that call themselves churches, making a mass exodus from the truth of the bibles, and the true 'church' exited these buildings.
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- mass exodus
| Posted On: 01/08/08 05:16:24 PM | | Age 38, TX |
"What you are seeing is groups of people who meet in buildings that call themselves churches, making a mass exodus from the truth of the bibles, and the true 'church' exited these buildings."
I'll agree that doctrinal error in the church is one cause of people exiting the buildings. However, I believe it is short sighted to state this as the ONLY reason. The reasons for true believers exiting the buildings are legion and not all of them have to do with doctrinal error being taught in the pulpit.
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- Peter was corrected
| Posted On: 01/08/08 06:25:49 AM | | Age 53, VA |
Peter responded to rebuke and correction. Joel Osteen has not.
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- Mass Exodus
| Posted On: 01/07/08 07:35:42 PM | | Age 59, VA |
I misunderstood what you were implying about the mass exodus from the Church of true believers. I don't believe that is the work of Satan, but rather a move of God for those who have hooked up with home or house church.
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- Re: Mass Exodus
| Posted On: 01/08/08 05:23:14 PM | | Age 38, TX |
"I don't believe that is the work of Satan, but rather a move of God for those who have hooked up with home or house church."
I wholeheartedly agree that God has been the author of some people moving from traditional churches to home groups and house churches. To this I say yes and amen. (Like God needs my approval...)
But, that isn't the only reason people are leaving traditional church services/buildings.
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- Wishy Washy No More!
| Posted On: 01/07/08 07:27:25 PM | | Age 58, VA |
To 38 in Texas- Read the first Gospel message preached to the lost by Peter after Christ's resurrection. Far from wishy-washy! Paul may have reprimanded Peter for shying away from eating with his new Christian gentile brothers, but Peter never told anyone that they could get to heaven without confessing Jesus as their Lord and Savior, who is not merely the Son of God, but rather, God Almighty, You can't compare the two. And Peter may have denied Christ 3 times, but we can't use that as proof that he was wishy-washy because Christ had not been to the cross and Peter had not received the power of the Holy Spirit into his heart until after the resurrection. Yet after the resurrection and after receiving the Holy Spirit, it was a different story. Peter was now a powerhouse, courageous enough to one day be crucified upside down at his own request! Bottom line is Joel Osteen, the man who delights in telling how he preaches in his Father's shoes, seems to think that will make him a better preacher? The Word is what brings strength and knowledge and wisdom to us, not our natural Father's shoes. And if we will give attention to the Word instead of to shoes, we can learn that Mormons cannot be saved based on what they teach and believe. "Though if we or an angel from heaven, preach another gospel unto you than that which we have preached, then let him be accursed." Truly, Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion, preached another gospel, which he received from a so-called angel. Let him be accursed the Bible says. The Mormon religion is a Cult- the worlds largest Christian Cult. And I am sorry it offends people that someone would be called a heretic. Paul "DID" write letters warning the Church about heretics. And it just seems a little overly critical to blame the rest of the Church for the mass exodus from the Church. Whatever happened to Satan's full time job?
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- Re: wishy-washy no more
| Posted On: 01/08/08 05:52:34 PM | | Age 38, TX |
Galatians 2:14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, If you being a Jew live after the manner of the Gentiles, and not like the Jews, why do you compel the Gentiles to live like the Jews?"
In the context of the Galatians 2 narrative, there was much more going on with Peter than who he was eating with. Paul continues to elaborate in verse 16 concerning works versus faith in Christ. The conclusion of most biblical scholars is that Peter was "wishy-washy" on the gospel as it applied to the Gentiles. Remember that Peter and the rest of the Jews struggled early on with the concept of including the Gentiles in the church because of their Judaism upbringing. The context of the scriptures indicates that Peter (as well as many of the Jewish believers) were still trying to bring portions of the Mosaic law into the gospel message, hence Paul's statement that "they did not walk uprightly according to the truth of the gospel..." in verse 14. It is very true that Peter was bold for Christ in Acts 2 and preached the gospel plainly all through Acts but apparently, as time progressed, he had difficulties reconciling his Judaism upbringing with the new revelations Christ was handing down in His New Covenant. Peter's difficulties did not make him a heretic but he did need correction and he needed it done the right way. Paul came to him and corrected him face to face, not in a general letter sent out to every church in the region and certainly not by calling him a heretic because of his error. My argument with this article is the speed at which so many of us rush to use the word "heretic" to describe someone who is in error. Babies and bathwater, gentlemen. Exhort, correct, and rebuke with all long suffering and doctrine first. Label and ostracize second. We must be careful. That is all I am saying.
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- They bow down
| Posted On: 01/09/08 04:15:33 PM | | Age 59, VA |
I hope this is not a repeat but I just wanted to add a little more. When we defend a false religion and say they can be saved we are denying Christ. Christ died on the Cross for those who would put their faith in His shed blood for the forgiveness of sins. To say that someone who adheres to a cult or false religion is going to go to heaven is denying the work of the Holy Spirit and denying what Christ accomplished on the Cross. For a Christian to say that someone is going to heaven without confessing Christ as Lord and Savior has to be heresy or worse. It is the lie of the Anti-Christ and the lie that will bring about the One World Religion. For a Pastor to admit he has not studied the Mormon religion enough to know it is a false religion is shameful and really inexcusable. Any Christian leader who instructs that there is another way to heaven other than through God Almighty, Jesus Christ, is speaking heresy. Peter did not come close to teaching there was another way to heaven other than through Jesus, God Almighty. Mormons do not believe Jesus is God, but merely the Son of God. I understand the details of Peter's confusion and he was straightened out about these issues early on. You have to remember that even though Peter walked with Christ, it was Paul who was caught up into the heavens, (in his body or out he did not know) and who then was given the revelation of what happened behind the scenes in Christ Death, Burial and Resurrection. It was not happenstance that Paul wrote most of the New Testament and also was instructed to take the message to the Gentiles, while Peter was told to take the message to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. Paul knew better than anyone else that the Gentiles were included and it was God's plan to use Paul to sort these things out with the other new leaders of the newly birthed Church. It was not that Peter was wishy-washy but rather that he did not know these things clearly yet. And we are not the newly birthed Church. We have had the Bible for years to instruct us and to establish what is true and to show us the mistakes they made before us. Osteen is leading many astray in spite of what is written. While we watch many of our so-called leaders buckle and bow to these false Gods, to the Anti-Christ Spirit, I praise God for those who not afraid to stand up and warn others of the lies and impending dangers that we are facing.
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- More About Buckling Up
| Posted On: 01/09/08 08:07:44 AM | | Age 59, VA |
I just wanted to add a little more. When we defend a false religion and say they can be saved we are denying Christ. Christ died on the Cross for those who would put their faith in His shed blood for the forgiveness of sins. To say that someone who adheres to a cult or false religion is going to go to heaven is denying the work of the Holy Spirit and denying what Christ accomplished on the Cross. For a Christian to say that someone is going to heaven without confessing Christ as Lord and Savior has to be heresy or worse. It is the lie of the Anti-Christ and the lie that will bring about the One World Religion. For a Pastor to admit he has not studied the Mormon religion enough to know it is a false religion is shameful and really inexcusable. Any Christian leader who instructs that there is another way to heaven other than through God Almighty, Jesus Christ, is speaking heresy. Peter did not come close to teaching there was another way to heaven than through Jesus, God Almighty. Mormons do not believe Jesus is God, but merely the son of God. I understand the details of Peter's confusion and he was straightened out about these issues early on. You have to remember that even though Peter walked with Christ, it was Paul who was caught up into the heavens, (in his body or out he did not know) and who then was given the revelation of what happened behind the scenes in Christ Death, Burial and Resurrection. It was not happenstance that Paul wrote most of the New Testament and also was instructed to take the message to the Gentiles, while Peter was told to take the message to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. Paul knew better than anyone else that the Gentiles were included and it was God's plan to use Paul to sort these things out with the other new leaders of the newly birthed Church. It was not that Peter was wishy-washy but rather that he did not know these things clearly yet. And we are not the newly birthed Church. We have had the Bible for years to instruct us and to establish what is true and to show us the mistakes they made before us. Osteen is leading many astray in spite of what is written. While we watch many of our so-called leaders buckle and bow to these false Gods, to the Anti-Christ Spirit, I praise God for those who are not afraid to stand up and warn others of the lies and impending dangers that we are facing. And lastly, how do you know no one has gone to Osteen? He showed his colors on Larry King and hasn't changed in that amount of time. It is my understanding that he was confronted about his statements with Larry King.
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- Buckle up!
| Posted On: 01/09/08 05:51:54 AM | | Age 59, VA |
You are right, I was trying to point out as you did, there are good reasons why Christians are finding other ways and places of worship. I am not one to place blame on the Church as a whole about anything. The Lord believes in his Church and loves his Church and has told us that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it-the Church being the fellowship of true believers, wherever they might be. Having said that, your defense of Osteen on the line that calling him a heretic is, for expediency's unfair, is in my opinion "wishy-washy." We are living in a day where we are seeing a One World Religion form right before our eyes, but many are too caught up in "love and tolerance " to see it. And that is the very thing Satan is using to ignite his end time plan. Love and tolerance. The Pope says Muslims serve the same God we do. Bush says Muslims serve the same God we do. Warren and 400, now the list is so long it can't be printed, leaders signed a letter stating in so many words that Christians need to joining with the other religions in peace to bring about peace in the world. I am sorry but you and others can sit around and talk about how much we need to "love" until the cows come home but some of us are seeing that if we don't buckle up now and get tough and refuse to agree to all this heresy than we won't be able to stand in the face of the real persecution that is on the horizon for us.
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- Final response to everyone
| Posted On: 01/10/08 07:55:28 AM | | Age 38, TX |
Ok, I can see we're not going to get very far on this topic so I'll bow out gracefully. I just want to say that you guys really need to do a study on the biblical definition of "heretic" and/or "false prophet". There are plenty of examples of both in scripture as well as instructions on how to identify one. I believe you guys are sincere in your desire to maintain the integrity of the scriptures and I applaud you for that. I believe all of you believe you are "speaking the truth in love" as you cry out against Joel's obvious error (I repeat that I disagree wholeheartedly with Joel's statement on Mormonism.). My concern is the object of your affection. I don't see the love that Christ commanded all of us to have (John 13:34-35) I just see the love of doctrine and the love of being right. These are not the objects of your affection that Christ was speaking of. I find it very difficult to believe that Satan is using "love" to "ignite his end time plans" since it was God who commanded us to walk in it (John 15:9,12,17). I believe you guys need to check yourselves and see if Matthew 24:12 doesn't apply to some of you. Yes there are false prophets and heretics in the world and I have absolutely no problem identifying them and naming names. But you'd better be SURE the man you are identifying as a false prophet meets the biblical criteria for one or you'll be guilty of laying hands on one of God's anointed and that is a place you don't want to be in, gentlemen. Is Joel one of God's "anointed"? Jury's still out for me. I'm trying the spirits and inspecting his fruits. There are some things he says and does that I don't agree with and there are things that he says and does that I do. It takes a little more time to discern that many are willing to give. I know of good, sound biblical pastors who have been preaching against Joel Osteen since he first hit the airwaves. My entire argument is that we need to be careful about who we play the "heretic" card on. It carries a great deal of spiritual weight including curses from the mouth of God. (Revelation 22:18-19). What Joel said about Mormonism was wrong, but it wasn't heretical. Now, if Joel whips out the book of Mormon and begins preaching the doctrines of Joseph Smith, then I'll be the loudest one in here screaming "heretic". All I am saying is let's not misapply the word "heretic" or "false prophet" but rather pray for the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth and help us properly discern who the wolves are. This is not liberalism. It isn't ecuminicalism. It isn't ungodly "love and tolerance". It is biblical and it is what Christ did when He walked the earth. In fact, if you pay close attention to Jesus' words, who did HE say were the hypocritical, viperous wolves in sheep's clothing in His day? (Matthew 23:23-24, etc). God bless you guys and Happy New Year! :)
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- Good for you
| Posted On: 01/11/08 07:13:55 PM | | Age 53, CANADA |
This is a good reply that we should all take to heart. We need to stop trying to prove our points and have the love of our Father in our hearts. Pray for Joel and ask the Holy Spirit to work in him "convict ..(him) of sin, righteousness, and judgment" and to teach him all truth.
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Thank you Dr. Berman
| Posted On: 01/04/08 05:56:26 PM |
Age 66, NH |
Thank you for having what it takes to tell the truth concerning Joel Osteen and also pray for this man. He is a heretical teacher, a wolf and that is too bad. We all need to pray that God will open his eyes.
Dr. Berman I live not far from you and attend the Jaffrey Bible Church and dearly love the Messianic Jew.
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- In reply to the "Tahnk You"
| Posted On: 01/16/08 10:04:49 AM | | Age 43, NH |
You should come by the church and say hi sometime. My Church web site is www.clfchurch.com -Dr. Berman
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THERE IS NO SAVIOR EXCEPT FOR GOD ALMIGHTY
| Posted On: 01/04/08 01:51:21 PM |
Age 64, OH |
In support of your article I submit this: the very people Peter was preaching to believed in the God of the Bible and read the scriptures. They had left their homes and traveled very far to come to Jerusalem in obedience to the scriptures. But when they came face to face with the Author of the Bible that they read they did not know Him. So Peter told these same men in Acts 2: 37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. - These same men were not saved and needed to repent. The Mormons do not even believe Jesus is God. They do not believe God is their Savior. God says in Isaiah 43:Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior. The Mormons do not teach the truth and are in need of the Only Savior the Lord Jesus Christ. Lou
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Joel Osteen---- Kick the man
| Posted On: 01/04/08 10:05:35 AM |
Age 69, TX |
I agree with your opening statements about
Joel,and you are a positive person yourself,
and that's wonderful.
As for myself, I need encouragement most
of the time. Most in the church today,my
opinion,walk around church without even as
much as a glance,and if you go to a class and
open your mouth about what you believe or what God seems to be doing in your life or
what your Bible interests are.... whew! your
some kinda 'outlaw'!! When you start to talk
about a fire an brimstone message, people
get worse toward you. One Sunday class teacher told me to stop because I was "scareing people"? This is the Word of God we're talking about here!! They would
love Joel Osteen,he doesn't scare anyone.
But you know something Pastor.I believe
Joel seeks God's heart,and if that is true,
who is anybody to "cast stones".
I had trouble myself when first listening
to Joel.But since too many have come out and
criticized him,I'm re-thinking my attitude
about Joel. His message and his deliverence
of that message is needful in this sin cursed
world. He encourages people to live right B4
their God.... believers and non believers
alike. Some unbelievers may just get saved
through his message,as well as a fire 'n brim
stone message. Lets let God be God in this
message,let's not judge one another.It's
difficult sometimes,but God does give all
people a choice... even Lucifer and the
angels had choices.... Even our Lord Jesus
had a choice...Asked HIS Father 3x to take this cup from HIM. Choices...that's what God
gives all the human race. Why? so at the judgment both,God can say,You had a free choice to except ME or reject Me... see the
word FREE means . no interference from God at
all. I'm sure Joel gives council for those who seek salvation after the cameras shut off.You can see by the attendence and the
millions of the tv audience,which by the way
700 club mentioned this morning,consists of
as many as 7,000,000 veiwers. God's Sheeple
need every ounce of encouragement they can
get for the onslaught of Satan and the antichrist world we live in is encreasing as
never B4. Thank yopu Pastor 4 listening and
may God Bless you as you help to pastor the
flock of God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
If the powers that be attack us and over-
whelm us,it's nice to know we can change the
channel and listen to an encouraging word and
then get back into the fight.
For the Christian life is a fight,we are
soldiers in the army of the Lord and as such
we are to take orders from Christ,our commander in chief.
Church is like a hospital for the wounded.
Satan beats on us world is beating on us and
we need ALL kinds of Pastors to help the
soldiers in the trenches(world).
Us soldiers do the fighting,spiritul,and Pastors give the wherforall and encourage
the flock to 'keep on keeping on'. Amen?
world we live in
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- THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH
| Posted On: 01/04/08 02:06:21 PM | | Age 64, OH |
You are correct dear friend God gives us all a choice. Satan made his choice and will spend eternity in hell for it. The pharisees made their choice and will be in the company of Satan except those who repented. Paul said let anyone be cursed that preaches any other gospel. Paul also defined his gospel. Paul said, "I want to preach NOTHING but Jesus Christ and Him CRUCIFIED." That is the gospel. Jesus said he came to preach good news to THE POOR. A man has to be shown by the law of God that he is a poor sinner worthy of hell. Then he can hear the gospel. Any gospel that leaves this out is no gospel at all. For the wages of sin are death and any man who does not depend on the death of Jesus Christ for his salvation will pay the wages of sin himself. That day will not be pleasant and most will shake in their boots. Lou
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- Joel Osteen---- Kick the man
| Posted On: 01/04/08 02:01:14 PM | | Age 43, NH |
Dear Sir,
I sure do agree that we all need a word to cheer us up in the fight. The problem my brother is that Osteen is a man who is not only unwilling to preach that Jesus is the only way to heaven, he now says that Mormons who believe that they can become gods, and follow the book or Mormon, are also Christian. This is heretical! How can a Christian get a word of comfort from a preacher who would deny that The Jesus of the bible is the only way to heaven?
You say that "Church is like a hospital" There is some truth to that from the stand point of people being in need of healing. Having said that, the truth is that healing never comes without truth. I believe it is clear that God is interested in raising up and army of believers to do war by preaching the truth. I do not believe that God wants the Church people to remain in a intensive care hospital state.
If you need a word to cheer you up, you can find that from a preacher who believes the Word of God.
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Sign Of The Times
| Posted On: 01/04/08 09:58:51 AM |
Age 59, VA |
It’s the sign of the times! The Pope apologizes to the Muslims and says we serve the same God, Billy Graham says he thinks Muslims will be saved, Bush says Muslims worship the same God as Christians, and now Osteen says Mormons are Christians. So according to our leaders, like the Owl and the Pussycat, " we will all get to heaven in a beautiful pea green boat?" I don't think so! We live in a day where it is up to each Christian to believe the Word of God rather than any man, no matter "whose shoes he fills" or how big a following he has! John 1:14 says, "And the Word (in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...) became flesh and dwelt among us." It was God who became flesh and dwelt among us! This scripture does not speak merely of a man named “Jesus,” nor merely of "the Son of God," not merely of a “ Prophet,” nor merely of a “ Healer from Nazareth,” nor merely of a great” Miracle Worker,” nor merely “anything”; but rather, it speaks of "the one in whom all the fullness dwells,” the one in whom "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." It speaks of the same one to whom the Father said, "Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever...." Don't tell me that "you or he or she or they" believe in "God" or the "Son of God" or "Jesus," and expect me to believe you/they are my brothers in the Lord. But tell me first that you/they believe in and worship the One to whom the Father said, "Thy throne, OH God, is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom” and we can start from there. It was Jesus, the fullness of the Godhead, who became flesh and dwelt among us! And this is the same God who said, "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, except by me." As I watch Political leaders and Religious leaders, as well as so-called Christians, buckle under the pressure, I shall have no other gods before me! I will not agree or bow down to their false gods and say we both worship the Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ. Let others fall away or be deceived, but I know whom I serve and whose I am. My prayer has become, “Lord Jesus, give me the courage to confess you before man no matter how great the pressure, not even if faced with death. When my leaders crumble, let me not bow to the false Gods of this world, but if it should come to it, add my name to the list of those who died from cruel mockings and scourgings and in bonds and imprisonment, yet died in faith.”
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- THE LORD WILL KEEP YOU
| Posted On: 01/04/08 02:11:02 PM | | Age 64, OH |
The Lord will keep you as you keep your eyes on Him. His arm is not too short to save. Amen Lou
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