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Joel Osteen's latest
Posted On: 01/03/08 10:40:33 AM Age 70, GA
I have always been under the impression that belief in Jesus Christ and acceptance of him as Savior and Lord was all that was necessary to be a Christian. If one chooses to believe that God sent another prophet - not Savior - in the last two hundred years, how does that detract from the fundamental belief in Christ? I'm not a Mormon. I'm a Baptist by faith, but I really get fed up with the quibbling which goes on among Christians. NONE of us know the complete truth of God and His Son, and we won't know until the day Christ returns to this earth.
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  1. MORMONS DO NOT BELIEVE IN ONE GOD
    Posted On: 01/04/08 11:03:47 AMAge 64, OH
    The Mormons do not trust in God Almighty to be their Savior. They do not believe Jesus is God. They do not say Joseph Smith is A PROPHET but they say he is THE PROPHET. Jesus Christ is THE PROPHET and no other man deserves this tittle. All other men are one of a group of prophets or "a" prophet. Joseph Smith claimed to have received another revelation from God of the creation that disagrees with the account gave to Moses by God. In the account by Smith he says the earth only was created by gods not one God. J. Smith taught that there was a god for every planet and so billions of gods not One as the Bible teaches. The Bible says Jesus is THE Judge. But the Mormons believe that we are judged by a tribunal of Jesus, Joseph Smith , and God. they have put Smith on the same level as Jesus Christ who is Almighty God. Lou
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  2. Quibbling among Christians
    Posted On: 01/03/08 10:51:04 PMAge 31, CA
    I agree that "NONE of us know the complete truth of God and His Son, and we won't know until the day Christ returns to this earth." We each hold to certain doctrines, or understandings of God's Word, that will just have to suffice until we get to Heaven and all is fully revealed. As long as the views we hold line up with Scripture, we can safely adhere to them. For instance, the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but a description of this aspect of God is. It is a word made up by people after the publishing of the Scriptures, to help teach and understand the Scriptures. So yes, the quibbling over doctrine is rather tiring, and only serves to sever the unity of the church. However, when a church's doctrine is so obviously in opposition to the word of God, as in the case of Mormonism, it does not exactly fall under the umbrella of "The Church." If a doctrine does not completely line up with what is in the Word, it cannot stand. And when that doctrine threatens people's salvation, then we as Christians must do our part to "go into all the world and preach the good news," that Jesus is the one and only Son of God, that He was fully man but also fully God, and He lives today after having made the ultimate sacrifice for us so we can one day be with Him in perfect unity. If a church does not proclaim the truth, it is not part of the true church, and its members are in jeopardy of a fate worse than death, and don't even know it. Do we just stand by and watch them drive down the freeway of life in the wrong direction, waiting for the semi-truck of death to run head-on into them? Or do we quibble a little, make some noise, and try to get their attention so they can turn around while there is still time?
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  3. quibling over christ.
    Posted On: 01/03/08 07:20:10 PMAge 43, IL
    Same words different meanings. When Mitt Romney says he has accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord, he does not mean the divine God himself. For him Jesus is a man, just like himself, who achieved Godhood through works and righteous living. Jesus died once for all and his work is complete. Nothing need be added to what He (Jesus Christ the divine God in flesh) gave us. (So Joseph Smith further revelation was not needed) When any of us mold Christ into our image of what God should be instead of taking what he has reveaked to us, that is idolatry. We no longer believe in the same Christ or gospel. Mitt Romney does not believe in the Christ of the bible. He cant and hold to the Mormon tennets. Nor can a muslim equate Allah with Lord Jehavah God. They are not the same entity. Faith in Christ means repentence and accepting Him as Lord, God, Savior, and to place our trust in who he is. We can understand, but without repenting there is no forgiveness of sins. Part of repenting is to give up our own self indulgent ideas about God and accepting what he through his son has told us about himself.
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  4. Jesus tells us how to recognize false teachers
    Posted On: 01/03/08 04:07:37 PMAge 31, KS
    I will not discount the idea that God can send another prophet, but that prophet's words must agree with EVERYTHING that is found in God's Word. The God-breathed Scripture does not contradict itself. So if anyone teaches anything that is contrary to it, their words must be discounted as being false, and they will be held accountable for leading others astray. Jesus tells us that "every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." (Mt 7:17-19) Joel Osteen's words which do not line up with God's Word are the bad fruit he bears. Let us pray for him and for all who are being led astray by his false teaching that they may come to know the truth.
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    1. Reminder
      Posted On: 01/03/08 09:45:48 PMAge 17, TX
      But the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such there is no law -Galations 5:22
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  5. Response to "Joel Osteen's latest"...
    Posted On: 01/03/08 02:50:02 PMAge 38, WI
    I am sorry but you will have to excuse the "quibbling", but I must respond. All the truth we need to know right now about God and his Son are in the Bible. So I suggest you go back to read and study it...(again if you have so in the past). He/Jesus went through hell on earth for us, and he deserves nothing less than our total and complete devotion to Him, which includes telling everyone we know that their belief, acceptance, faith and repentance in Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to heaven and that NONE will enter if they choose not to except that.
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  6. Politically Correct Joel Osteen Does It Again
    Posted On: 01/03/08 01:27:26 PMAge 55, KY
    To my Baptist friend, I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church and if you would have asked me if Jesus Christ was my Savior, I'd have said yes since any good Catholic knows that Jesus Christ is the Savior of us all, but none the less I was still lost as lost could be. Had in not been for two men who were a part of the Navigators sharing God's plan of salvation and letting me know that God wanted to have a personal relationship with me through Christ I would still be lost today, but still believe that Jesus is my Savior.
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  7. PC Joel Osteen Does It Again
    Posted On: 01/03/08 01:16:39 PMAge 55, KY
    I was raise Roman Catholic and if someone had asked me if Jesus Christ was my Savior I would have said yes and still be headed straight to hell, but thanks to God that He allowed me to hear from two Navigators in a Service Club at Langley AFB on May 31st, 1971 what it meant for Christ to truly be my Savior and how I could have a personal relationship with God through Christ, not only is Christ my Savior, but my Lord as well.
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gailowens1972@yahoo.com
Posted On: 01/03/08 10:34:45 AM Age 35, AK
As an Ex Mormon now a Christian. I am appalled at Joel Osteen but then he is like Billy Graham, just interested in fame and popularity. The Mormon belief system has no common ground whatsoever with biblical Christianity. Joel Osteen along with other false preachers will have to answer to God one-day for leading many to hell. He doesn't even preach the gospel anyway.
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  1. Re: gailowens1972@yahoo.com
    Posted On: 07/01/08 10:31:50 AMAge 63, CANADA
    I would leave the judging up to God if I were you.
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  2. Re: gailowens1972@yahoo.com
    Posted On: 06/20/08 05:30:09 PMAge 52, AZ
    I see a lot of bashing going on here. Shouldn't people investigate further before passing judgment as to whether someone is a false pastor or not? Billy Graham, for one, has a proven record. I don't like to argue, so that isn't the point of this. We have to be careful about what we say regarding the Lord's anointed. Even King David didn't speak against Saul because he was the Lord's anointed, even though Saul was in error. When Miriam murmured against Moses, the Lord judged her with leprosy. We may not always agree, but I plead with everyone to show respect and love for one another. How pleasant it is when brethren dwell together in unity.
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  3. gailowens1972@yahoo.com
    Posted On: 01/03/08 11:40:11 PMAge 64, OK
    The responder wrote "I am appalled at Joel Osteen but then he is like Billy Graham, just interested in fame and popularity." While I certainly agree with all the responses critical of Osteen as a world class heretic, to compare the great evangelist Billy Graham who fully understood and preached the truth of the Word to the likes of Osteen is appalling. It is unthinkable to make such a comparison. Billy Graham dedicated his life and sacrificed his health to bring the truth of the Word to millions around the world. Though he would frown on such, he is in my estimation worthy of sainthood. The responder clearly missed the mark.
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  4. We must be prepared to defend our faith
    Posted On: 01/03/08 08:03:45 PMAge 75, CA
    I am personally appalled that someone would compare Joel Osteen with Billy Graham. At least Graham stuck to the Gospel message and I am defending my faith by standing strong for Billy Graham and all the good he has done. No one could be lead astray by his messages. Stick to the subject Joel promotes "self" ie if you are positive enough you will succeed. Getting to Heaven is another question!
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  5. We must be prepared to defend our faith
    Posted On: 01/03/08 07:50:09 PMAge 75, CA
    I am personally appalled that someone would compare Joel Osteen with Billy Graham. At least Graham stuck to the Gospel message and I am defending my faith by standing strong for Billy Graham and all the good he has done. No one could be lead astray by his messages. Stick to the subject Joel promotes "self" ie if you are positive enough you will succeed. Getting to Heaven is another question!
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  6. What?
    Posted On: 01/03/08 01:59:14 PMAge 27, AR
    Billy Graham is not comparable to Joel Olsteen in any way.
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We must be prepared to defend our faith.
Posted On: 01/03/08 10:12:28 AM Age 41, CANADA
I would also like to recommend another great apologetics site that is constantly dealing with Mormonism and has a great radio show debating and discussing many of these cults. The gentleman running it is Rev. Matt Slick and his site is bang on. If you want to learn more, it is easy to read, easy to understand, easy to find truth on Mormonism and other cults, (including RC) check them out. Search for Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry or CARM. No, I am not affiliated with them other then I have used them many, many times and have found them to be a great blessing. In this day and age we need to be armoured with every ounce of truth from God's word. Sites and men/women such as these (CARM and Alpha and Omega) who offer themselves selflesssly to educate and spread the gospel are truly a blessing.
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  1. Be Appalled by Billy Graham's own words
    Posted On: 01/03/08 11:55:17 PMAge 68, PA
    Because Billy Graham appeared to be a conservative & talked about Jesus he was accepted without question. The reason people are appalled when someone points out the truth about him is because they have never studied & discerned the man according to God's word. He's charming, personable, and America's favorite pastor, how dare anyone expose the facts ! Initially I knew nothing about him, but many years ago read an article about him in Parade Magazine. Some of his words were puzzling & sent up red flags. Over the years I checked up on things he said & did. His own words condemn him, not someone's opinion. It would take a book to describe, but, here's a few things among many. When interviewed on t.v. in England & asked about hell he replied " I do not believe in a literal hell now." The Berean Call...Feb 1999...page 3. Oh really ? Guess Jesus was wrong then. On Infant Baptism. Partial quotation due to length. ".........I believe that a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is made Christian through Infant Baptism. If you want to call that baptismal regeneration, that's all right with me." The Lutheran Standard Oct. 10, 196 p 13-15. Since when does sprinkling a baby make him/her a Christian ? There's lots more. He's not to be compared with Joel Osteen ? No, he's worse. Sadly most will continue to defend him because they are fond of him, not because he's really 'sticking to the Gospel'. Shame people don't wake up & check their favorite idols out. Too painful I suppose. Being a Berean is not PC.
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Osteen does it again
Posted On: 01/03/08 10:01:42 AM Age 50, TN
I have been a Christian for over 25 years and have NEVER heard and so-called Evangelical Pastor say that Mormons (or any other pseudo-Christian cult) are actually Christians! This is beyond belief. I have always felt that Osteen's sermons were more of inspirational talks that Biblical messages but this is REALLY bizarre. God help us---this guy pastors the largest church in the U.S.!
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Satan is a Christian too?...
Posted On: 01/03/08 09:56:32 AM Age 43, MO
If Joel Osteen believes that Romney is a Christian than he must believe that Satan is as well. We all know that Satan believes in God and Jesus Christ and know he died for our sins too. He doesn't want us to know that. So by these same measures is he willing to believe that satan is a Christian as well and is that okay with him too? Wow! And with such a large following and if he actually reads his bible, God is very clear on those who teach and their end if they are wrongly proclaiming his name. Please wake up people and just ask the God you say you believe in and then LISTEN TO HIM! Proverbs 3:5-6: Trust in the lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding. But in all thy ways acknowledge him and he will make straight your pathways. God isn't just saying these things to hear himself speak...ASK HIM!
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why not call a spade a spade?
Posted On: 01/03/08 09:56:02 AM Age 55, KY
Joel Osteen is a false prophet preaching a false gospel. Is that so hard to say? Why beat around the bush? Why play games with those who distort the Scripture and preach heresy? Paul did not do this. He made it clear that if "anyone preaches any other gospel than what I preached, let him be accursed." (not actual translation) Jesus warned his disciples of false prophets, saying you would know them by their fruit. Preaching heresy is fruit, bad fruit.
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Thanks, Steve
Posted On: 01/03/08 09:54:17 AM Age 52, UT
Steve, please accept my appreciation for your boldness on this subject. As one who has been a missionary to the Mormon people for most of my life, I find Osteen's comments to be very disturbing. Considering all of the information that is readily available on Mormonism, his comments are without excuse. He certainly does not help our efforts here in Utah as we reach out to the LDS people with the truth of God's grace.
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Itching Ears
Posted On: 01/03/08 09:30:04 AM Age 60, MS
Joel Osteen has the largest church in the country, is a best selling author and a millionaire for good reason -- he does NOT preach the GOSPEL! He is a feel good, compromising (and compromised) apostate who willingly "preaches" to the itching ears of non-believers. He is all about "religion" -- the greatest enemy of Christianity.
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Joel is in deep trouble!!!!
Posted On: 01/03/08 09:22:00 AM Age 72, FL
I, for wone think Mitt Romney is a good, strong politician. However, since he is a Mormon, I will NOT vote for him as he really doesn't see things my way. I cannot undestand how Joel, who surely has more biblical education than I do, could say the things he does about Mormons. I have studied about Latter Day SAints and I know a thing or two that Joel doesn't seem to know or denies! Perhaps he is just trying to be politicaly correct. I do not follow his preaching because he is not biblically correct. He is leading many peoople to hell and will be sorry in the end when he has to face his God and explain what the has been doing. As for me and my family, we ill follow the LORD God.
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God Save us from the ear-ticklers!
Posted On: 01/03/08 08:54:06 AM Age 50, IL
God help this country! The popularity of the ear-tickling antics of Joel Olsteen and those who embrace his "Christianity" is a white-washing of the truth. Pray for protection for our country from these false prophets the Bible warned us about. Pray for genuine revival in our land; with God in control, it is not yet too late!!!!
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