A blown opportunity
| Posted On: 12/28/07 08:14:16 AM |
Age 61, IL |
You spend a great deal of time extrapolating things said by Southerland and Warren and claiming they are saying things that on the face of it, they are not saying. If you were handling the text, the charge would be eisegesis instead of exegesis. If you feel God has called you to sound the trumpet of warning, at the least demonstrate a measure of grace. It might help if you acknowleged the facts as well. The fact is: some people are critical and some are ornery. They can stand there Bible in hand and still be critical and ornery.
Regarding the "Sanballat" issue: There are also those in the church who are not saved and oppose change because they have worked hard to get their religeous country club just where they like it.
Finally, although it sounds wonderful that God out return his favor and anointing to His church/people, I rather doubt that attacking the church growth movement is going to accomplish that. Perhaps if we turn that piercing gaze inward, repent of our failure to reach out to the lost and in fact, our distaste for associating with them as an abandonement of the mission Christ gave us...then this would happen. By the way, the mission of the church was given in Matt. 28, not Acts 2.
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- Response to "A blown opportunity"
| Posted On: 12/29/07 10:28:35 AM | | Age 36, IL |
With all due respect to "A blown opportunity", Matthew 28 is talking about what the church should do OUTSIDE it's building. The text says to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations..." [New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Mt 28:19). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.], not to invite people into the church building to get saved. The Purpose Driven phillosophy is to invite, not to go and evangelize. This is in direct disobedience to Jesus Himself.
Acts 2 gives us a glimps of what whe should be doing INSIDE the church building when we meet together as BELIEVERS.
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- You have a point up to a point
| Posted On: 12/29/07 06:27:49 AM | | Age 53, VA |
Several years ago the SBC church I attended began to embrace PDC/PDL. It also became part of the Willow Creek Association. At first I was all for it. The church was wrought with a country club mentality and a lot of legalism. It was a dead church. I thought this was how our church would grow and become the biggest church in the county. The first issue that created a lot of controversy was the tradional versus contempory worship service. (Have you noticed that of all the problems that beset the early church, music was NOT one of them, yet today it is THE biggest issue) I thought the church needed new vitality and PDC/PDL seemed to be the ticket. I also believed that the old/legalistitc trouble makers needed to be rooted out. As time went on though I realized that Rick Warren was being preached and not Jesus Christ. Sermons were all centered on Rick Warren's programs. It became very obvious that the direction of the church was now to be "hip and cool" so that the "unchurched" would find us attractive. I finally realized that PDL/PDC was cleverly disquised as "another" gospel and needed to be rejected and started to actively oppose the PDL/PDC move. (As an aside I realized that 2 Cor. 11:14-15 had to apply to somebody and that Rick Warren,et al, could be a candidate) What our church needed was strong discipleship and training in Biblical doctrine not another program. Numerical growth became a driver and a deciever. Well, I generated some friction and in the end we moved on to another church since PDL/PDC was going to become a fixture. The church is still divided and spiritually confused. Definetly not a PDL/PDC success story.
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Amazing
| Posted On: 12/27/07 10:33:21 PM |
Age 56, NE |
Seems like they are getting more open about how much they despise those who hold to Biblical truth. Amazing!!
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"Trouble-makers"
| Posted On: 12/27/07 02:45:27 PM |
Age 51, NC |
Oh, for sure this article hits home! After 2 yrs of attempts to expose false teaching in our 6,000 member SBC with the sr. pastor brushing off our concerns, (Rob Bell Nooma in youth group, Peter Grieg, etc) we were told to appear before the assoc. pastor (who did not commence with prayer) who asked us if we came to the church to be "troublemakers". Then, he proceeded to state, "Oh we know your mindset from the start" and " Exactly, WHERE did you come from".
It is obvious that tactics from transitioning were employed in attempts to run us out. There was no SCRIPTURAL" basis for any of this as no one had "sinned again a brother" nor anyone.
The fruits of the spirit were absent from this hierarchy in this church, and disdain and condemnation proceeded out of mouths, along with gossip from even a deacon.
Yes, that is what is going on in PDL churches from what we see. We pray the Lord opens the eyes of those under this apostate teaching and that the message of repentance to the Savior who died in our place becomes the ONLY priority.
Certainly this is NOT from the Jesus, our Lord and Savior we know and love. This "Transitioning" along with these postmodern movements are from the pit of Hell.
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