Common Ground for True Evangelicals
| Posted On: 12/14/07 10:40:34 AM |
Age 57, AZ |
So the news media is reporting that the so-called evangelical group is splintering. Actually, this is a good thing. If so, it is a good thing as it will starts the weeding out of CINOs from real God believing and worshiping and real salvation rooted on the atonement of sins by Jesus who is the one and only way to God. Culling CINOS from real evangelicals is not a bad thing. It prepares us true believers for the trials and tribulations that are to come in preparing this Age for the end times.
CINOs - Christian in name only.
Judging from the varied responses by the so-called evangelical group, there are plenty of CINOs out there.
How do you know if you are not a CINO? Let's see:
Do you really worship God for all his greatness and majesty?
Is your allegiance to God and not some religious organization?
Is God first and foremost in your everyday life and all that you do?
Do you frequently evangelize when the Holy Spirit presents you with the opportunity?
Do you not steal from God by freely giving your money back to Him?
Do you know and believe that Jesus is the one and only way to God and Heaven?
Do you know Jesus your personal savior who provided, provides, and will provide your complete atonement for your sins that you REPENT of and you commit from BREAKING God’s Laws?
If you can honestly reply yes to all of these, then you clearly are not a CINO and you can rejoice and praise God for being selected and responding to His call to join the brotherhood of Jesus.
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No Common Ground
| Posted On: 12/12/07 10:37:49 AM |
Age 51, MN |
The evidence does not substantiate what Eric Barger claims in this article. There is no common ground between Rick Warren and Mitt Romney. However, there is a common courtesy. That may not be bad in this day of demagoguery.
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- WOULD YOU BE FRIENDS WITH SATAN
| Posted On: 12/17/07 12:24:03 PM | | Age 64, OH |
The scriptures tell us not to even invite people who deny Jesus as The God Almighty into our homes or show our approval in any way. For Warren to invite the Mormons into his church and train them is the same as inviting the devil himself into his church. For it was the Devil who came up with all of the doctrines of the Mormon church. Mormons will not even pray with Christians in their homes. it says a lot about Warren that the Mormons trust him to train their sons and daughters. It shows us where the teachings of Warren came from. the Devil does NOT agree with the teachings of Christ but he does agree with his own teachings. Warren and the Mormons are in the same camp. Lou
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Not Misquoted
| Posted On: 12/11/07 07:15:21 PM |
Age 50, ID |
I read the USA Today Article a few times after seeing the feedback. I read it as Eric portrays it. To see it as age 39 from PA reads it is making an inference as to what the question actually was, which we do not have. The text flows and Eric presents it the way I see the USA Today writer intended.
The article itself portrays the incongruity of an SBC pastor training this theologically diverse group. I have problems with that too. Even if Warren did not intend the quote to be parsed that way, there are really serious problems with PDL, its marketing and content. I agree that PDL coalesced a trend toward watering-down evangelicalism. More than 4 years after that USA Today Article the fruits of PDL are painfully apparent!
Shalom!
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To the writer of "Misquoting"
| Posted On: 12/11/07 03:20:59 PM |
Age 56, TX |
Pardon me but I didn’t pretended anything. Nowhere did I infer that Warren was speaking only of Mormons. However, the USA Today article clearly indicated that Warren obviously views Mormonism as just another Christian "denomination." That is the point. Also, just who told the USA Today reporter that Warren's pastor-training programs welcomed Mormons? It had to have been Rick Warren himself or his advance people.
About the Billy Graham model… If he had courted Mormon leadership in order to sell books, which would give aid to their cultic cause, my reaction would have been the same. I reiterate that it is unconscionable that any alleged Christian leader would knowingly - even aggressively - train Mormon leaders with techniques aimed at filling their churches.
– Eric Barger
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Quote out of context
| Posted On: 12/11/07 02:22:00 PM |
Age 49, CA |
I think the author of this article has taken Warren's quote out of context. First of all, it is not clear from the article that his statement "I'm not going to get into a debate..." was in direct response to a question about the specific faiths that attend his seminars. Yet you made it sound like he was responding to a direct question as to why he welcomes mormons to his seminars. It wasn't just Mormons but Methodists and Catholics and ordained women (which is not a denomination). Who knows if the writer even mentioned Mormons to him (secular people don't know that we classify Mormonism as a cult). You also failed to mention that the paragraph before the quote speaks of his senior staff (implying him also) sign onto the conservative doctrines of the SBC like an infallible Bible and the non-ordination of women. The paragraph immediately following also speaks of his stance theologically "...it's Jesus or Hell". As it is stated at the end of the article, his goal is "the whole Gospel for the whole world".
I'm not necessarily a 'fan' of Rick Warren and don't always agree with his methods of evangelisms but let's be a little more honest in our journalism, especially if we are going to attack a brother (you may not agree that he is a brother in Christ but I have not seen where he has disavowed the major tenants of our faith).
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- ROMNEY HAS DENIED JESUS IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE
| Posted On: 12/17/07 12:14:06 PM | | Age 64, OH |
You say, i do not see where Romney has disavowed the major tenants of our faith. Mitt Romney has denied Jesus Christ in every way possible. Jesus says "I AM The Way, the Truth, and the Life. Meaning of course that he is God Almighty. But the Mormons say that Jesus is Satan's brother. They also say that Jesus did not have a virgin birth but He that God ( who was one of many gods) had sexual intercourse with Mary for Jesus to have a body. Jesus says there is no mediator between God and man except Jesus Christ. But the Mormons say that Joseph Smith was the Prophet who God spoke through and Joseph Smith himself said he did more for man than anyone including Jesus Christ. The Mormons say that all of the revelation of God came through Joseph Smith for he wrote the book of Mormon, the doctrine and covenants, the Pearl of Great Price and they put ALL OF these false books ABOVE THE BIBLE. for they say the writings of Joseph Smith are perfect but the Bible has many mistakes in it. The Mormons believe in many, many, gods and even believe that they will become gods if they obey Joseph Smith who was a child molester. The wife of Joseph Smith had found out that Smith was having sex with underage girls; in response to this J Smith had a "revelation" fro god that men had to have many wives or would not become gods themselves. This was not a option but a requirement. the Mormon church has never renounced this claim or any other of Smith. They do not follow Jesus for Jesus has been regulated to a necessary little god who had to die for us, but they follow Joseph Smith and made him their god. they believe we will be judged by a tribunal of Joseph Smith, God, and Jesus. They believe a way that leads to eternal death. Lou
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Priorities
| Posted On: 12/11/07 12:30:19 PM |
Age 28, TX |
Well put. How quickly we succumb to fear and pessimism, when we say that we "must" compromise on some of the most important principles! The "princes of this world" have wrought mightily in making Hillary Clinton the Boogey-Woman, for fear of whose rule we will happily elect someone only slightly less bad, someone who has changed opinions just in time for the election, or someone who says most of the right words but swears allegiance to Rick Warren's plans. (Hint hint: Not only Romney is "purpose-driven.") How little faith we have in the Lord, that we will do wrong or omit to do right, because we are afraid!--Mrs. Pilgrim
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"Once sound Bible believers"??
| Posted On: 12/11/07 11:58:30 AM |
Age 55, IL |
Why are conservative evangelicals so reluctant to label Rick Warren and Bill Hybels "false prophets" . . . and LOST? Most articles and radio talk show commentaries on these two lament their words and actions as if coming from Christian pastors. The Bible is clear that false teachers are lost men. Consider the book of Jude, for example.
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- Once sound Bible believers
| Posted On: 12/11/07 10:50:23 PM | | Age 32, CA |
To the poster above, I believe the writer is referring to evangelicals who fall for Warren's message, not Warren himself.
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THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD
| Posted On: 12/11/07 11:48:41 AM |
Age 64, OH |
Romney and Warren are of the same kingdom, that of darkness and not light. But how did such a thing happen to the evangelical church. Years ago I heard Pat Robertson say "The church is the only hope for this nation". I was appalled but could find no one else who was. If the church is the only hope for this nation then all is lost. For we can not save ourselves let alone anyone else. Can the blind lead the blind. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY HOPE FOR ANYONE AND EVERYONE. I have heard TV preachers hold up the Bible and say, "I preach nothing but THE WORD". Where was the outrage for this statement. The statement was made to strengthen their position and try to give their ministry more authority. They claimed the high road so as to be made to look infallible. The Holy Scriptures are THE BOOK and no other book compares. Every letter of every word is inspired by God Almighty. But the scriptures themselves state In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with God, and THE WORD was God. Would you call The Bible God, would you call the Book Jesus Christ, Would you call the creation, of the Book, THE CREATOR. Would you fall down and pray to the paper pages of The Book. Would you fall down and worship The Book. The Lord Jesus Christ is beyond compare and there is NO ONE or NOTHING like Him. Nothing or no one deserves to be called by the same NAME as Him. THE WORD does not exist to glorify The Book. But the Book was created by Him to reveal Himself and The Book glorifies THE WORD. The church needs to publicly repent of this sin for it was committed in public. Until the church repents of this sin it will continue to fall. Lou
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- To the writer of "Misquoting"...
| Posted On: 12/11/07 04:44:42 PM | | Age 56, TX |
Excuse me but I didn’t pretended anything. Nowhere did I infer that Warren was speaking only of Mormons. However, the USA Today article clearly indicated that Warren obviously views Mormonism as just another Christian "denomination." That is the point. Also, just who told the USA Today reporter that Warren's pastor-training programs welcomed Mormons? It had to have been Rick Warren himself or his advance people.
About the Billy Graham model… If he had courted Mormon leadership in order to sell books, which would give aid to their cultic cause, my reaction would have been the same. I reiterate that it is unconscionable that any alleged Christian leader would knowingly - even aggressively - train Mormon leaders with techniques aimed at filling their churches.
– Eric Barger
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Rick Warren and Mitt Romney
| Posted On: 12/11/07 10:39:58 AM |
Age 61, MO |
Antichrist is more than just waiting in the wings: "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 4:3). The antichrist is the spirit of Satan in fallen man, which results in the exaltation of man as his own god. Just as Christians are a new man in Jesus Christ, antichrist is the "man of sin" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who seeks to fix himself rather than surrender to Christ. Whether it be called antichrist, man of sin, or beast, it is certainly on the rise as prophesied in Revelation 13:1, and as evidenced when standards or absolutes of right and wrong are being rejected on masse. George Cancilla
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Misquoting
| Posted On: 12/11/07 06:32:08 AM |
Age 39, PA |
If your thesis is based on a twisting and misrepresenting a quote (i.e., bearing false witness), then it's probably savvy not to link directly to the article you're misquoting.
It is a fact, Warren did not say what you say he said. From the USA Today article:
"Warren's pastor-training programs welcome Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Jews and ordained women.
"'I'm not going to get into a debate over the non-essentials. I won't try to change other denominations. Why be divisive?' he asks, citing as his model Billy Graham, 'a statesman for Christ ministering across barriers.'"
The reporter clearly asked Warren about non-SBC pastors and he responded. The reporter then included this response but not the original question, prefacing it instead with a sentence about "Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Jews and ordained women." Your decision, Mr. Barger, to pretend he was speaking only, or even mostly, about Mormons, is a deliberate act of dishonesty.
Not cool.
And kind of dumb. Next time you're out to misrepresent someone, don't link to the article that disproves your attack.
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- How Different- It Still Included Mormons?
| Posted On: 12/11/07 09:20:29 PM | | Age 44, MA |
On Misquoting post- did it or did it not still include Mormons in the list of who Warren welcomed into the training? Was Warren including Mormons in the group he welcomed? If so, then you don't reach out to them by training them for their 'ministry'. That would not be evangelizing them.
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