Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/07/07 09:15:03 AM |
Age 53, VA |
Christians are to be good stewards of what God has given us. However, Al Gore and the liberal elite are not interested in stewardship. They want you and me to sacrifice for them so that they can continue to consume energy at the rate that they are accustomed and have unimpeded access to all of the beatiful parts of the world that you and I will never see. In short they want us to save the world for there use.
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Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/06/07 02:17:55 PM |
Age 20, ENGLAND |
Every religion needs something to offer its followers salvation from. I completely believe that science, as the religion of the West, has finally found its apocalypse to preach against. However, I disagree with DeWaay's article for the most part. Even if global warming is a total scam, one only has to glance around to see evidence of man's depravity in the way that we wantonly destroy our surroundings. Obviously, I can hardly argue against populating the earth or breathing or heating a home during winter, but God's command to Noah should not be used to justify the repulsive scarification of world that people have been working on so diligently for the past few millenia. It also really disgusts me that DeWaay would imply that anyone who doesn't believe that God gave man a free liscense to lay waste to His creation, is somehow a heretic. Christians should be the ones leading the charge against the desecration of the world, rather than buying into the greedy consumerist culture that says, "Why should I care what future generations or the rest of the world have? I want what I want, and now!" Do you really believe that God is pleased with the pestillence of urban sprawl that spreads its black tenticles outward, farther and farther every year, consuming beautiful places under acres of concrete? Do you really want the world to end up looking like New York City and its surrounding suburbs? Sure, you might have two nice cars, a house big enough to house an African village, and climate control set to 60 degrees in the summer and 80 degrees in the winter. But are those things worth living in a world without trees? God put Adam and Eve in the garden to work it and take care of it, not to chop it down and put up skyscrapers. We're not in Eden anymore, but that doesn't mean we've been given a dispensation to greedily consume every resource within reach to the detriment of ourselves, the rest of God's creatures, and humanity's future.
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- Re: Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/07/07 08:23:55 AM | | Age 47, MO |
Friend: You seem to think that the natural world is somehow close to Diety and that man is sin. The fact, however, is that the earth was created for man and that man was placed in the garden as God's crowning creation. Therefore man is the reflection of God, not trees. Yes, man has fallen but the fall effected all creation not just man. So to diefy creation and to condemn man is to diefy the sinful because both are under the curse. There is only one God and only he is worthy of worship. John
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Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/06/07 12:33:40 PM |
Age 45, MN |
"Clearly, it is time for a global effort to create everywhere on earth the conditions conducive to stabilizing population." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance.
Objective #1 of many political environmentalists is population control; that is to say—world population reduction. To this end the architects of a "new world order' have been successful.
Objective #2 is self preservation in the form of power. Gore's net worth has increased 100 times since being vice president, and sits on many high profile companies’s board of directors.
As illustrated in this article, redefining sin is never a good idea when one ultimately is judged by the One who defines sin.
What is sin as defined by the Scriptures?
"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God..." (1 John 3:4-10a NASB95)
Does population control agree with God's Word? God instructs Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply." The same command is given to Noah and his sons. The prophet Ezekiel foretells of a day yet future when God's people will increase and be fruitful. God has promised to sustain all of His creation, so why are our worldly princes concerned about population control? I think that the answer is obvious.
Secondly, the self indulgence and hypocrisy of the environmental elite will one day be judged by the author of the judicial system that holds court over all the earth.
"For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 NASB95)
"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds." (Revelation 20:12 NASB95)
"For there is no partiality with God. For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. (Romans 2:11-13 NASB95)
Lest we pass judgment on these self-proclaimed saviors of the earth, we should be praying for them as our Master commands us, as they are deluded by their own pleasures.
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44 NASB95)
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Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/06/07 09:08:41 AM |
Age 37, MN |
If the man-made global warming radicals want to deminish the population on the earth, perhaps they should go first.
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- Re: Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/06/07 05:13:47 PM | | Age 44, DC |
Cent-percent in agreement.
Of course, if you make such a suggestion to the enviro-hypocrites, they take umbrage!
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Neo Pagan Indeed!!!
| Posted On: 11/06/07 06:11:46 AM |
Age 54, NC |
I despise false and spurious arguments. While I respect the need to contend for what you believe, in what way have you demonstrated that Gore is neo-pagan? You make the assumption that he is. You have not demonstrated it at all. This bothers me because it uses the lowest of attacks "ad hominem" and the worst of argument guilt by labelling. Make Gore a neo-pagan and all "true" Christians must rally to find the darkness in Gore.
Your arguments are intriguing. Though I believe they miss some points, I do feel it is important to respect other's perspectives, especially fellow believers.
I believe your line of reasoning in fallacious. Your assumption is that God wanted us to "go wild" developing with no limits or caution. Let me offer a thought which should give you pause. "What would man without sin do and how would he develop differently?" I suggest that we often waste resources based on our laziness, our indifference and our selfishness. We have accomplished great things but we have also trashed and polluted large areas.
The space here is not adequate to show how we might have a more heaven born approach to the environment and development, but I think that it is foolish of many evangelicals to dismiss this idea. Why can we not take up the cause of reducing dependency on energy and natural resources? It is part of being a good steward... and I believe it would win more hearts and even souls for the Kingdom...I believe it darkens our witness when we seem so unreasonable.
Ray
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- Re: Neo Pagan Indeed!!!
| Posted On: 11/07/07 10:34:46 PM | | Age 54, SC |
I believe the writer used the term "neo-pagan" in reference to Mr. Gore correctly since today's post-modern neo-pagan worships the creation rather than the Creator. His contention is not fallacious at all but entirely true and there is nothing in his article that encourages Christians to behave irresponsibly toward the environment. Most Christians understand that we are to be good stewards of all that God has provided and put in our care. Most recycle, re-use,try to find ways to reduce dependency upon foreign oil,etc.But to think that "global warming",if it exists, is attributable to man is just another man-centered idea that refuses to acknowledge the sovereignty of God. It is God alone who determines the various cycles of climate that our world undergoes. Just think of Greenland - it was named that because at one time, that is what it was. Guess what it is now? I could go on with more examples of the different heating and cooling cycles prior to industrialization but there isn't room enough here to do so. IMHO, global warming is a political issue developed by our own domestic terrorists like Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, etc. in order to frighten Americans as well as the rest of the world into giving up our already eroding freedoms. Using this fear to manipulate mankind, it is fulfilling Bible prophecy down the New Age path toward One World government and rule by the Beast.
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- Not of God... then Pagan
| Posted On: 11/06/07 12:19:29 PM | | Age 57, OR |
I see you as a thoughtful individual. I tend to agree that another lable adds little value to the mix. I do see that a new-pagan god has arisen though. The 'green movement' thinks little of people and much of the planet. We are to FIRST Worship the Creator, and thereby we ought to respect our environment.
So may lives have been lost to excesses of environmentalism. Way too much to cover here, yet there is a TENSION between expediency and common sense. Always, humans seem prone to take the easy way out; not necessarily the CORRECT way out. But when we do NOT follow the Lord God, then we can be certain we are following the 'yellow brick road'. The road of good intentions is paved with fools gold.
In short. Without a Godly, biblical world-view, we will all stumble around and not get it right.. OR do some right things, but for entirely the wrong motive.
Mr Gore's motives are open to discussion. One thing is self evident though: he does not practise what he preaches. So if you went to Church Sunday and listened to a pastor who did NOT practise what he preached, would you give him credence?
Just a thought. PGW
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Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/06/07 12:10:48 AM |
Age 58, AUSTRALIA |
This is an excellent article which every christian should read and take to heart. Jesus is our hope, not the railings of men who live ourside the knowledge of God and His Word. It is so encouraging to read such good edifying material. May God reward your faithfulness and diligence.Vince.
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Re: Global Warming and the Definition of Sin
| Posted On: 11/05/07 06:14:49 PM |
Age 61, MO |
Thank you. I enjoyed reading this fresh twist on the global warming issue. I can't help but agree with it, and appreciate the Biblical annotation to support your claims. George Cancilla
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