Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 09:07:03 PM |
Age 45, TX |
Sadly--heretic. Confusing as his dialogue was (and God is not the author of confusion), what came through loud and clear was his definite opposition to the Bible's portrayals of hell, judgment, and damnation. He has simply redefined Biblical terms to meet his own heretical theology.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 07:49:27 PM |
Age 61, TN |
Heretic. In so many words, he made the work of Jesus non-essential by stating a works based salvation & never did support his position by quoting a book, chapter, & verse.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 06:22:11 PM |
Age 41, MN |
Let's just say, for the sake of comparative tongue-in-cheek humor, that if I were visiting Doug's church and they were offering communion (of course, they probably have their own wild version of this too - which they cannot explain - but let's say it is traditional cup and bread) I'd think twice before drinking from the cup. By his musing and brain splitting efforts to explain one Biblical idea it would make me wonder if it's contents weren't purple cool-aid. I jest of course. This conversation was eerily similar to tapes I've heard from other "philosopher" wanna-bes who led folks down a dismal path. I would much rather not know that Doug is "preaching" to the unsaved. What Doug bubbles....yes, bubbles about (imagine if you will - - pop...poppop...pop - floooooat - pop. You cannot catch one of the "concepts" he tries creating and {they} fleet as quickly as they eminate, and are worth as much - poppoppop) is so incredibly damaging. I'm serious (not about the cool-aid)but you cannot listen to this man and call him a a "preacher" of the Word of God. And you can say I'm not too Christ-like to even jest with such talk, but when I hear this blasphemous - deceptive talk, when I read the ink they put to paper, and when I see clips from his very own church....I get a bit angry, I'll admit. What a lie! To say that God will "dialogue" equally with a Muslim a Buddist and a Christian, let's say is true, but wait....he fails to admit that the result of that so called "dialogue" will not end the same for each of these people, unless they recognize their need for God, the True God, repent before Him, and have accepted the life saving gift of savlvation - which professing/practicing Muslims and Buddhists cannot do and live a life as a practicing Muslim or Buddist. Furthermore, Doug states that "damnation" is separation from being with God. Explain that Doug. Explain what it is to be with God in the first place and then explain what it is to be separated from Him. I don't recall seeing or hearing of any place on earth that is depicted as Hell is - in the Bible. So, if Doug, you proclaim that Heaven isn't a "place" - then where is Hell? Is it a state of mind? Are we currently in heaven or hell - on earth now - depending upon our condition before God? Do we have to die first, but then again, do we reeeeeally die(poppopopoppoppop) Doug, you are deceiving people! I'd love to hear Pagitt's take on, let's say, the top 12 most recognized stories of the Bible - read the passages before, during, and after these events (called context)and try to figure out what his take would be (WARNING! you may get one serious headache). This is serious tampering with something that, you'd think by now, (with the Bible as our history guide and our future truth - that is if the Bible is reeeallly to be believed, you know, man did write it.....pop) one would know the results of dabbling in such foolishness. I pray that God will touch the heart and soul of Pagitt and his "followers" - before they float away into some cosmic world they eventually imagine.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 04:30:19 PM |
Age 43, IA |
Heretic, as defined as holding beliefs contrary to that of a fundamentalist, evengelistic Christian doctrine. Why? He discounts the words of the bible and Christ, denies hell as it is in the bible, and basically grouped all religions as equal as they relate to God after death.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 04:10:20 PM |
Age 42, IL |
Jesus Christ...."......In my fathers house are many mansions. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a PLACE for you? And when I go and prepare a PLACE for you, I will come again and take you to myself, that WHERE I AM there you may be also..". John 14:2,3
Is heaven a place? Christ told me so. My only hope is in Him and the truth of His Word. He is the Word by which all is created, (John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God) He left (a place) called heaven to dwell amoung us. If Christs word's (God incarnate) cannot be trusted, there is nothing that can be trusted. So by dancing around simple questions such as "Is heaven a place?" I would have to say that Mr Pagitt is a heretic. He denies the very words of Christ.
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- Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/26/07 07:40:26 PM | | Age 42, TX |
Praise the Lord for your excellent pointing out in Scripture from Jesus' words of the real place He is preparing for us! That is what has to be done in response to all untruth, point out the truth. And you did that so precisely. Amen! God's grace to you to continue earnestly contending for the faith!
Lynn
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 04:08:10 PM |
Age 42, IL |
Jesus Christ...."......In my fathers house are many mansions. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a PLACE for you? And when I go and prepare a PLACE for you, I will come again and take you to myself, that WHERE I AM there you may be also..". John 14:2,3
Is heaven a place? Christ told me so. My only hope is in Him and the truth of His Word. He is the Word by which all is created, (John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God) He left (a place) called heaven to dwell amoung us. If Christs word's (God incarnate) cannot be trusted, there is nothing that can be trusted. So by dancing around simple questions such as "Is heaven a place?" I would have to say that Mr Pagitt is a heretic. He denies the very words of Christ.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 03:42:54 PM |
Age 36, GA |
Let's see...Doug Pagitt says that hell is not a real place, which Jesus clearly said IS a real place, that eternal damnation is the doing away with those parts of our lives that are not consistent with God--which is NOT what Jesus said! Jesus said that the sheep and the goats would be separated--that those who do not know Him will be sent away. He is denying that the Bible is true. Sounds like a heretic to me--I only hope that God is as merciful to him as Doug seems to think He will be.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 03:42:33 PM |
Age 50, MN |
How interesting the amount of feedback generated by Todd giving us the opportunity to call someone a Heretic. Man we must sure love doing that -certainly pales to the responses to the other issues we face living out our Christian faith in this world and making a difference. Kind of reminds me of how many times Jesus was called a heretic (and I'm not comparing Pagitt to Jesus)and who was doing the accusing (hmm the religiously "correct" of the day). We've allowed ourselves to become the second coming of the Pharisees and we don't even realize it, and neither did they.//I also really struggle with the entire second half of Todd's show where he and his callers basically mocked, laughed at and made fun of Doug Pagitt - how Biblical is that?
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- Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 11/01/07 02:14:18 PM | | Age 50, MN |
So nobody wants to tackle my question here? This article gets hundreds of responses screaming "HERETIC" while most articles on this site only get a couple of responses. But we Christians aren't hate-mongers like the world says we are, are we? Wait a minute, get out of the way, give me that stone, better yet anybody got a stake and a few matches?
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- Re: Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 11/02/07 03:41:26 PM | | Age 55, NE |
What exactly is your question and when exactly was Jesus called a heretic?
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| Posted On: 11/05/07 01:22:20 PM | | Age 50, MN |
Really, you wonder when he was called a heretic? When wasn't he is a better question. He was constantly being accused of being a heretic and circumventing the Jewish laws, all the way from washing his hands, gathering food on the sabbath to the big ones of claiming to be God and forgiving sins and a multitude of accusations in between. The examples are really too numerous to cite - very interesting you would ask that question.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 10/25/07 03:32:38 PM |
Age 24, IN |
Doug Pagitt is clearly a Heretic. This is about the third interview I have heard with him and it is so funny because every time a Christian interviewing him refers to the historical approach to understanding scripture he acts as though no one believes that any more, and acts as though he is shocked. He then proceeds to treat the interviewer as though they are stupid for ever believing such a thing. It is also funny that he thinks that scripture should only be understood within a culture. But is that statement about scripture only to be understood within this culture. The statement is self refuting. The vast majority of the rest of his message is self refuting at its core. He is a Heretic and should not be considered in the faith. He, Karen Ward, and Rob Bell should be marked out and we should all warn the members of our churches that there teaching is heretical and all the unbelievers that we know that there position is unorthodox and is not a true Christian position.
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