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Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 03:47:30 PM Age 44, CANADA
Heretic, he managed to break commandments 1 and 2 within the first three minutes (creating his own version of god and worshipping it).
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 12:46:57 PM Age 22, DC
As amiguous as Mr. Pagitt attempts to be, if this is any indication of the Emergent Church movement, be it general or specific, then I believe the Emergent Church can officially be titled "The New Face of Neo-Orthodoxy."
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 12:42:03 PM Age 50, WV
A rose by any other name would smell as diseased, his views are of the new wave of sages who feel and justify their ways, they teach feel good and be true too yourself. He feels good and want all others too feel the same. But why be angry, he keeps all the pagan holy days; he esteem the equinox celebrations the winter solstice and all the others see. He will not reject any man but in his christway accepts embrace all. Is that not what of prominent domination advertises on TV? Those who come want too feel good,to justify their sin. as long as he and they are happy then do some goodly thing wont they go to heaven? Is that not what all the ways do say. Christian who condemn take the log out of your eye! For his ways are wrong and so are yours! Remember christmas time and Holloween and this line from Paul? .do not do as the pagan do do take up their ways do not enter in too even the semblance of sin. The accuser must accept they are no different for they accept and justify the many pagan ways, so the pot does call the kettle black and needs to change its ways. No I do not think his thinking nor his theology is true but neither is that of many mainstream christians either for they accept and embracce theologys which are not part of what is writen and justify the expanding of religion into ways it was not to be. ie. new holy days ectra.my apologies to all but find where we are told to keep or celebrate anything other than passover and we are told to do this in remberance of him our lord and savior.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 12:18:03 PM Age 54, INDIA
Diabolically Heretic. Blatantly purges the demands of a Holy God and nullifies the works of our God Who loves and called for the ultimate to reconcile us to Him through His Son.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 11:17:10 AM Age 38, MA
Heretic. Because it doesn't matter what or who you believe in. Very frustrating conversation for me, I can't imagine what Todd was going through!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 11:14:03 AM Age 47, GA
Not orthodox, not a heretic, just a christian. Maybe if he is in town he can preach my funeral.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 10:50:35 AM Age 28, TX
From this conversation, no, Doug Pagitt is not a heretic. He seems to be an annihilationist or a universalist. Either of those is not decidely heretical. Universalism need not be pluralistic, and if you listen to the end of the discussion, you hear him say that reconciliation only comes through Jesus Christ. While I disagree with Pagitt on these points, I found Todd Friel's questions to be more of the problem. It was not an exercise to learn what Doug believes, but constantly trying to trap Doug Pagitt. For instance, with the string of descriptions of hell, Doug states that he thinks those are metaphorical descriptions. Todd's response is that Jesus uses them. OK, Jesus can use metaphor. And if stringing together phrases without any interpretation is systematic theology, it is poor systematic theology. On the question of heaven, Todd Friel misses the point again. Pagitt is not questioning the existence of heaven, but of its existence is some other spiritual but spatial place that a person goes to. I would argue that the Biblical witness shows that our eternal life with be on earth with the reign of Jesus Christ when he returns. "Heaven" will be on earth. I don't know what Doug believes on this point, because he wasn't able to develop his understanding during the clip. In the end, I can see Doug's frustration with a supposed conversation that turned more into an interrogation than actual conversation. Does Todd really want to work through and understand Doug's ideas, or merely get through a checklist of what his version of orthodoxy and heresy? If we're going to ask if someone is a heretic, we should probably have a good idea of what heresy actually is.
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  1. Re: Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
    Posted On: 10/29/07 09:52:36 AMAge 20, PA
    What version of the Bible are you reading? WOAH there captain!
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 09:09:29 AM Age 43, TX
Heretic. Doug sounds like a "spiritual politician". He says a lot but does not want to be held accountable for what he says. Just about everything I heard him proclaim had a loophole. Cody Allen Amarillo, Texas
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 08:57:21 AM Age 44, IL
Mr. Pagitt is a heretic - he has denied the sine qua non of the Christian faith, and forfeited the right to call himself a Christian.
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Re: Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
Posted On: 10/26/07 08:47:09 AM Age 51, IL
Heretic. Doug Pagitt, like so many of the emerging (and emergent) church crowd, is just making stuff up. Pure and simple. He uses snippets of Scripture if it suits his purposes, and if it doesn't, he tries to ignore it or spin it the way he wants to. The natural man wants to do it his way, and rebels against God's way.
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