Clearly Orthodox
| Posted On: 12/23/08 08:17:32 PM |
Age 31, VA |
No question that the theology that Doug espoused is well within the orthodox christian tradition, and in my view far more so than the self-righteous vitriol espoused by Todd. Jesus was right, The Way is narrow indeed...
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I can't believe he's a Christian
| Posted On: 08/09/08 09:18:00 AM |
Age 53, DENMARK |
Pagitt talks like a New Age Hindu when he denies that heaven and hell are "places", plus the fact that he denies Jesus' own words. He also talks like a "Kingdom Now" as he describes those who will be eliminated from "the work of God in the world". In another video he is shown admitting that he practices Yoga, which changes your thought processes and worldview, which explains why he has trouble answering Todd's questions. So, while I can't see Doug Pagitt's heart, he is talking like an unsaved man. Todd, it would have looked better for WOTM if you would have let him finish his rambling before you came with your next question. It was your video - did you have to adhere to a time limit?
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Nails on a Chalk Board
| Posted On: 06/03/08 12:29:05 AM |
Age 19, AR |
Todd,
The interview was definitely disheartening.
It's disheartening to see people on fire for Christ, yet missing the mark by a mile. Pagitt definitely has an agenda for change but in a way that consistently ignores large portions of scripture. The core visionaries of the emergent church have definitely dabbled in mysticism, paganism, and grass root Roman Catholicism. However, I do not think all of its followers should be discredited or considered heretical. People like Shane Claiborne and Donald Miller have blessed and challenged thousands of Christians to seek God and His Word -and I will not apologize for their impact through Christ in my own life.
Equally disheartening was your responses to Pagitt. Your approach was unloving, inconsiderate, and I would argue, dishonoring to Christ. While I realize he gave you a hard time and it's easy to laugh at a man like Pagitt, there's no fruit in conversation like these. Treat him like you would like to be treated -with common human respect, courtesy, and patience. Your audience is pretty much the choir anyway.
I can honestly say I turned off the interview equally disappointed in both sides represented. So here's to future glory. :)
Peace
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Heresy
| Posted On: 05/14/08 10:09:09 AM |
Age 38, KS |
My young children understand that when Jesus says, "I go to prepare a place for you..." he means a literal place.
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YES HE IS A HERETIC
| Posted On: 02/20/08 10:08:55 PM |
Age 37, MN |
Doug Pagitt is definitely a heretic.
There is NO other way to be saved than to acknowledge and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord, and that he suffered and died and rose the third day to save me from my sins.
I would remind people that Doug came from the Baptist General Conference (Wooddale church) where he was a youth pastor, and Solomon's porch was affiliated with the Evangelical Covenant. I don't know if he still is, but up until very recently Solomon's porch was officially associated with the E Cov.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050313212157/solomonsporch.com/aboutus_page_group/affiliation.html
That was the last week (Nov 4, 2006) that they had their affiliation page up on their site. Since then it has been removed. The information there makes it sound as if the E Covenant adheres to the orthodox Christian faith, but in my experience, and when you think they are promoting things like Solomon's porch and Call to Renewal and other theologically liberal organizations, I think it becomes as Bob DeWaay calls the phenomenon, 'file cabinet orthodoxy.'
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The Devil's Handyman...?
| Posted On: 02/19/08 03:07:09 PM |
Age 50, CANADA |
This man is totally ignorant of scripture. It is sickening to hear so called "christians" defend a heretic like this...just goes to show you that INDEED we are living in the end times...!
Only Christ Saves!
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Doug Pagitt. Heretic or Not?
| Posted On: 02/19/08 01:19:42 PM |
Age 40, MN |
I will have to go with yes, based on what I hear him say and not based on who pointed it out. Mr. Pagitt clearly teaches a heretical gospel.
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- Doug Pagitt: Heretic or not?
| Posted On: 07/06/08 10:09:33 AM | | Age 55, SC |
Todd Friel is the real heretic here. He is the one who preaches a false gospel that is man centered. He has taken Christ off of the thrown and made man the author of salvation. Hebrews 12 says that Jesus Christ is both the Author and the Finsher of our faith - NOT MAN!! Todd Freiel needs to repent of his false gospel message and teach the truth of God's Holy Word.
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- How is Todd a heretic?
| Posted On: 02/24/09 10:25:38 AM | | Age 31, GA |
How is Todd a heretic and how is he preaching a false gospel and lifting up man? I really like to know? There's no self-esteem in his preaching, he talks more about Jesus Christ and His work point all towards Him. How is that man centered? That sounds like Jesus centered, God centered. Didn't Jesus do that? And why is it in your reply your words sounds like hatred? Don't you know you have to give an account for every word, thought, and deed you do. And hatred is the same as murder in God's eyes. Matthew 5:27, and 1 John 3:15.
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Sickening
| Posted On: 02/17/08 06:07:12 PM |
Age 43, MT |
This is just sickening and shows how far from compassion WoTM has gone. regardless to the results I hope people will note that this is inappropriate on so many levels.
Todd is one of the rudest people I have heard on the "Christian" radio. To "judge" in this way by this interview, shows that there is a real lack of "judgement" at WoTMR. It also shows a self righteousness and a judgmental spirit that is very ungodly if not satanic.
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- Doug paggit
| Posted On: 01/08/09 03:35:29 PM | | Age 45, MO |
I have to disagree with you. I think Todd is asking some pointed questions and the Mr. Pagitt is doing a dirt poor job of giving a precise answer. He can't even defend his own position. As far as Todd's attitude, check out how Elijah treated the prophets of Baal. Sometimes ignorance deserves ridicule, and Doug showed his ignorance clearly...better if he declined the interview and kept his mouth closed. I personally would consider Mr. Paggit a heretic.
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Incoherent
| Posted On: 01/24/08 09:38:55 AM |
Age 40, TN |
Heretic. I feel pain for Doug as he rambles incoherently in this interview. For a fair and measured response to the philosophy that lies behind Doug Pagitt's ramblings, try D. A. Carson's excellent "Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church".
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Jesus Seminar
| Posted On: 01/05/08 04:22:16 AM |
Age 40, MO |
I became aware of the Zeitgeist Movie from my sister who said it has shaken her faith in the Bible. It is a conspiracy theory movie about a historical Jesus, 9/11, and the banking industry. When researching this as to why in the world this would shake the faith of a true convert I came across the "Jesus Seminar"- 200 Bible scholars who research a historical Jesus. When reading the stuff they believe (Jesus was an itinerant wise man not a Jewish Rabbi. Didn't die a substitute for sinners or rise from dead but preached a "social gospel" instead in parables and aphorisms-pithy sentences.) This sounded very much like the Emergent church rhetoric!!! Reading on just like Doug Pagitt on hell not really being a place with their Process theology. Eschatology should be engaged in the 'process of becoming' rather than waiting for external and unknown forces to bring about destruction! Scary stuff! Regenerated Christian AWAKE! Redeem the time!!!
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