Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 11/03/07 12:57:15 PM |
Age 71, CO |
Since writing my article on the origin of life I have read two books that basically make the same point and I will quote briefly from them, but encourage anyone interested in the subject to read both books from cover to cover: (1) John C. Lennox, God's Undertaker: Has Science Buried God?, p.102, "Colin Patterson's description highlights something very easily overlooked--the fact that natural selection is not creative. As he says, it is a 'weeding out process' that leaves the stronger progeny. The stronger progeny must be already there; it is not produced by natural selection...selection is made from already existing entities." (2) Antony Flew, There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind, p. 124 and 131, "The latest work I have seen shows that the present physicists' view of the age of the universe gives too little time for these theories of abiogenesis [life from nonlife] to get the job done...How can a universe of mindless matter produce beings with intrinsic ends, self-replication capabilities, and 'coded chemistry'?...So how do we account for the origin of life? The Nobel Prize-winning physiologist George Wald once famously argued that 'we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance.' In later years, he concluded that a preexisting mind, which he posits as the matrix of physical reality, composed a physical universe that breeds life: 'the stuff of which physical reality is constructed is mind-stuff. It is mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life...' The only satisfactory explanation for the origin of such 'end-directed, self-replicating' life as we see on earth is an infinitely intelligent Mind." David A. Noebel
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/25/07 04:22:56 PM |
Age 57, OR |
Self evident and Created by God. ALL of it.
So sad really. Funny in one or two ways, but LUDICROUS constant 'scientific community' mumbo-jumbo about millions of years and long names for short periods and it is INCESSANTLY shoved in our faces. All this non-God hype. Mostly paid for by the taxes we have foisted upon us. Very sad. What a waste of intellect. All these guys spinning their wheels trying to prove the unprovable. They would be the first to want to ban guns and the military and spend it 'on the poor'. Yet it seems to me the whole higher learning establishment is bent on economic futility. Makes you want to get on a Space Ship named SANITY and head for a place called TRUTH... PGW
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- ONLY GOD IS TRUE
| Posted On: 10/27/07 10:00:01 AM | | Age 64, OH |
Dear brother just some things to think about. Is not God the only one who is true. We men are ALL liars are we not. One of the main messages of the Bible is for us mere men to have an eternal point of view and NOT A TEMPORAL POINT OF VIEW. If this is all true then is the testimony of men who are all liars reliable when men make the main message of Genesis 1 about TIME. I , a mere man, ask is Genesis 1 about time or is it about there was darkness and God made Light come. God Himself defines what a "day" is when He says "he called the light day". There was evening and then morning. Have you ever wondered why God said there was evening 1st and then morning came. The start of an earth day is the morning is it not. Every "day" in Genesis 1 starts with the evening which is darkness and then comes the day which God says is the light. Notice also that the 6th day ended with a morning but there is NO MORNING given For the 7th day. In Genesis 1 the 7th day has NO END. Why is this for the scriptures are complete are they not. Does not the Bible say that God is still in His rest of the 7th day. The morning of the 8th day will come when Jesus returns. Everything will be made new and the 8th day is the day of new beginnings. How many days are in the week, only seven for that is the number of completeness. In this age there are only 7 days. We are in the 7th day. God is in His rest and it is the sabbath. We are here for one purpose and that is to seek God and live; which makes it the sabbath. On the 8th day Jesus will return and everything will be made new. Grace and peace to you dear brother. Lou
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/24/07 06:07:01 PM |
Age 48, WI |
I get a kick out of all these scientist who try to create life. All they do is prove intelligent design. The reason being, I would assume they all consider themselves intelligent, thus the intelligent part of the equation. They are also designing a scientific experiment, thus the design part of the equation. If they truly want to prove evolution they need to do absolutely nothing with no controls whatsoever, and see what happens. Which unfortunately in nothing.
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/24/07 11:51:09 AM |
Age 22, TN |
I find it rather ironic that Professor Szostak is using God's RNA, as well as the matter in the capsule, both created by God. It reminds me of the joke discussion between God and another wise scientist. The scientist said that he could create a living creature just as good as God could, but without any help from God. The outcome was that God said that the professor must use his own base materials...not anything created by the one true God! :lol:
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/24/07 10:56:31 AM |
Age 47, NC |
Hmmmmm reminds me of a joke. a scientist announces that he has replaced God and can how create human life. God came to him and said "oh really? PROVE it." the scientist reached down for some dirt and God said "oh no no no no no, get your OWN dirt. that's MINE." in Christ. :D
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- Re: Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/30/07 03:57:39 PM | | Age 44, ENGLAND |
There is one part of this joke that makes no sense to me, dirt (which I am suposing is soil)does not have many of the chemicals required for life, so why is god getting so concerned about people using" his" dirt,is it because his word will be found out to therefore be untrue? Regards, Steve
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/24/07 08:47:03 AM |
Age 28, TX |
Good catch on the term you use for the materialists' origin-of-life theory: spontaneous generation. I once observed that they were the same to a materialist, and he immediately became indignant and said they were not. When I asked him to explain the difference, he stared at me blankly for about fifteen seconds, and then told me to go to a place he didn't believe in. And this fellow had once smugly told me that he'd arrived at atheism by LOGIC!--Mrs. Pilgrim
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/24/07 08:45:45 AM |
Age 36, MD |
It is ironic that those who are very sure that intelligence was not required in creating life on this earth are often the ones who are sure we need radio telescopes aimed at outer space... Why? To see if intelligent life is out there! How would we know? Well, obviously if the radio telescope picked up repeated signals that had some complexity instead of just random noise... Uh, Carl... go have a look see in your backyard and be honest about what you discover there...
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/24/07 06:57:56 AM |
Age 54, OH |
Reminds me of the joke going around for the last few decades. Scientist tells GOD - "We don't need you. We can make people & animals ourselves." GOD says "Hmmmmm - Show me". Scientist picks up a handful of dirt. GOD says - "Nope - get your own dirt." ...........
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Re: The Spontaneous Origin of Life
| Posted On: 10/23/07 01:12:34 PM |
Age 64, OH |
These men are like farmers who plant a seed and then think they have made it grow when they harvest the corn. The farmer did not make the sun shine. The farmer can not make it rain. But the farmer can not even understand how the seed sprouts and grows into a corn stalk let alone make it happen. Let the farmer be put on Pluto with no rain and almost no sunlight and leave him then plant a rock from Pluto and see what grows. Well nothing of course. For Only God can cause the sun to shine, the rain to fall, and the seed to sprout. Lou
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