Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/14/07 06:14:10 AM |
Age 44, PA |
TITHE, are you trying to bring us under the Law? You know better than to try the tithe scam to people at CWV. Chuck, I believe you've been watching too much TBN.
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/13/07 03:38:41 PM |
Age 61, MO |
The governing authorities in the U.S. have been aware of the corporate US insolvency for many years--at least since 1943. They have tried to manipulate the money in cahoots with the Federal Reserve--another foreign corporation. Through many, many globalist shennanigans, and through a brute threat of military force, U.S. authorities have been able to get other currencies of the world to peg to the dollar. Up until very recently, the sale of oil world wide was transacted only in dollars. Deficit spending on the part of both the U.S. government and its citizens individually, has allowed the U.S. to be a major consumer of goods and services. But a breakdown in political sovereignty, such as unprotected borders and harmful trade agreements, have caused a reduction in the buying power of U.S. citizens. The entire world economic system has misled many people to believe they can get something for nothing. Unfortunately, "there is no such thing as a free lunch." What we are witnessing with the SPP and NAU, is a last ditch effort to repair a broken system. Central banks all over the world, including the Federal Reserve, have been injecting billions of dollars of new money into economies, but this will only prolong things for a short time. The system is broken and whatever mending is done will not save it, at least not in its current form. This is essentially a house of cards where debts are unable to be paid, and the paper promises made by Wall Street are showing themselves to have no real value. Middle class citizens can expect a 50 percent reduction in their standard of living. The United States will no longer be the financial leader of the world, and will find great difficulty in implementing any further imperialistic foreign policy goals, because her military might will decline with falling revenues. I do not see much hope for the system as a whole, and quite frankly, cheer on the fall of it. Most Christians do not understand just how rotten the system is, and so unwittingly support it. God is not going to let this wickedness continue. Now is the time to decide between mammon or Christ. George Cancilla
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/13/07 10:21:59 AM |
Age 46, VA |
Awesome article, thanks! However, I disagree with the statement
"It acknowledges the Creator’s rights. The Tenth of all is His. "
Leviticus 27:32 All the tithe of herd or flock, everything which passes under the rod, the tenth one will be holy to the Lord.
A shepherd with only 9 sheep was too poor to tithe and Lev 27:32 clearly states that the poor shepherd did not give. The tenth of ALL is not His. Both the Old and New Testaments tell us to give to the poor, not take!
Also, if tithing is MANDATED, then it invalidates the following two scriptures:
2 Corinthians 8:3 For I testify, they gave according to their means and beyond their means. They did so voluntarily,
2 Corinthians 8:11 to finish what you started, so that just as you wanted to do it eagerly, you can also complete it according to your means.
How about Mathew 23:23? Okay then, in Mathew 5:23-26, Jesus commands reconciliation prior to presenting the offering at the alter. So we have to perform sacrifices at the alter now? No, Jesus was properly teaching them to follow the law because they were still under the law. Now, follow the logic, if one teaches that a particular old law must be followed by Mathew 23:23, then they MUST be consistent and also teach the alter sacrifice by teaching Mathew 5:23-26. Funny how most pastors pick the one that brings in the money!
How about some real meat that proves what ordinances have NOT been set aside. Acts chapter 15 covers ALL of the ordinances required by the gentile Christian. (Not to be confused with the commandments. The 1st and 2nd New Testament commandments are written on our hearts, which amplifies the Law, not ordinances.)
The greatest thing we can do as Christians is give to the poor! Study the Gospels closely and it is clear.
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/13/07 09:26:24 AM |
Age 45, MO |
The article was right on, until it got to the part about the "tithe". It's not just a tenth part that belongs to the LORD. It ALL belongs to the LORD, and we are called to stewardship. That is, we are to be managers, not the owners.
The tithes and offerings of the Old Testament were established as a standard for Israel. The three OT "tithes" are not "standards" for the Church. The cornerstone of the Christian faith is Jesus Christ.
My decision to give "one tenth of gross income" to the local church is just a starting point for my freewill grace giving. It is an act of obedience. It conforms my will to that of the mater.
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/12/07 05:46:39 PM |
Age 46, CANADA |
Great article up until the tithe preach. I agree, the USA is in big trouble, and in turn, all nations.
The world will wax worse and worse and the devil will have his day, but the problem is not money, its sin, and the answer is not the tithe, its Jesus.
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/12/07 10:11:39 AM |
Age 47, MO |
Good job Chuck, and I am in total agreement. I've been in this camp for years and am ready. The only thing I would add is to buy a gun. Are you shocked that I would say such a thing? Well, when times get tough, selfish people kick into high gear. The only cure for self is to be born again or death. Therefore, the sword of the Spirit (the Word) is our weapon of choice but guns also talk- even if unfired. It is our choice to fire the gun if the situation gets out of control, but I guarantee you, if you pump a shotgun they will flee! John
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/12/07 09:53:47 AM |
Age 61, MO |
Leaning on my own research on the subject, it seems that you have accurately described the financial condition of the United States (Corporation, not government). There is a difference. It has to do with original jurisdiction, and is deeply imbedded in rule of law. But I do not wish to belabor that here. Suffice it to say that this article is a valid warning to all who would care to heed the facts of a bankrupt corporate US government. If you would like to know more about original jurisdiction government versus corporate government, here is a useful link: www.teamlaw.org.
George Cancilla
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Re: The State of Our Union: The Vortex Strategy: Part 2
| Posted On: 09/12/07 08:59:51 AM |
Age 60, IL |
Chuck, thank's for trying to say what none of us really want to hear. Regrettably and in addition to the ones that you mentioned, there are also other negative forces that are working against us. And tragically, many of the things that help us to be in some sort of balance are slowly eroding before our very eyes. Never before in our history has a Biblical World View and local churches that are working right and doing outreach been so needed and so important. But what absolutely no one knows and everyone wished they knew... is how long do we have, and how bad will it be? In Him, scott.
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Tithing for Israelis only not gentiles nor christians
| Posted On: 09/12/07 08:44:55 AM |
Age 70, GA |
Abraham gave a one time tithe from the spoils of war, he freed lot from prison in Sodom. He gave it to malchazidich the priest/king of cainon. Abraham lived in around cainon and could not have tithed because the people in that area were idol worshipers.
malachi 3: 10 is not cursing the gentiles.
The first chapter and the first verse is addressed to the Israelis. The curse was against the priest for corrupting the alter of god and stealing the tithe from the levites. Read the 4 chapters of malachi and you will see for yourself. The tithe was only applicable to the israelis by the farmers and herdsmen only. All other professions carpenters, tent makers, etc. did not tithe.
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- Re: Tithing for Israelis only not gentiles nor christians
| Posted On: 09/13/07 09:59:17 AM | | Age 47, MO |
Hello:
I don't think Chuck is talking about keeping the law, but rather the spiritual concept of tithing. The spiritual concept is still valid because God does not change and people have not changed. The tithe is vital to our faith because it demonstrates to the world more than any other thing, that we walk the talk. People know a Christian from a self absorbed church goer. However, I would have one small contention with Chuck when he talks about "the windows of heaven”-being applied to your financial situation? I don't see in scripture where the tithe is a give to get reward system instituted by God. If so then where are the monetary thresholds? I've been giving "religiously" since I was 17 years old to sponsor underprivilaged children, certainly I am due a rebate!(?) John
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- Re: Tithing for Israelis only not gentiles nor christians
| Posted On: 09/12/07 06:32:42 PM | | Age 46, CANADA |
You got it right!
Even the Jews of today do not tithe.
No temple, no tithe. No priests, no tithe.
The windows of heaven refers to rain for the land and a great harvest of agriculture and cattle, not money. Which would have meant the priests would have had more than enough... if they would trust God and that is the point. What they were robbing God of is the glory He gets when we trust Him to look after us.
When there was tithing, three different tithes by the way, they were all in a celebration, a feast, to honor God for His faithfulness. You, your famnily, the priest, the widow, the stranger in your gates, would all benefit from God's generosity as you came to the place God had ordained to worship Him.
Transitioning any of this into the New Covenant is silly and very problematic.
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