He did this before...
| Posted On: 08/16/07 11:00:29 AM |
Age 20, NC |
Let's not forget that Hybels has done this sort of thing before. He invited then-President Clinton to speak at his church in a 2000 leadership conference.
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/16/07 09:18:10 AM |
Age 50, AR |
Your article is, unfortunately, spot on. A relative of mine attended that conference and could not believe the number of people who were liberals - in fact, probably all of them - who were the "guest speakers" on a variety of topics. Thanks for making this known to the Christian community - we need to wake up and smell the coffee before its too late!!
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/16/07 07:03:54 AM |
Age 53, NC |
I have read several of Jimmy Carter's books. There are great questions in all of them and do not deserve the analysis. In the case of the "Peace not Apartheid", I continued to be amazed at the disinformation. The title is controversial but the facts are not. I have looked at some of the detailed "factual errors" and the criticisms fall apart as petty, non-substantial or based on speculative one-sided views of history and statistics. The facts in Jimmy Carter's summaries are substantatively true. You can also look at "Blood Brother" by Elias Chacour or Brother Andrew's "Lightforce" to see the situation a little clearer. I care about Israel but like the truth too much to support this oneside non-sense.
As for "Our Endangered Values", Jimmy Carter does bring up some good points. I definitely disagree with some of his perspectives but that does not mean I cannot respect good points.
As for his time in office, I agree that serious mistakes were made. On the other hand, I think we need to stop with the character assasination. He was the first to champion "human rights" which was a welcome relief. It was imperfect but a wonderful change from the past where the US supported dictators... and as for coddling dictators today, that is nonsense. There is a difference between negotiating with and coddling. My goodness the US has supported worst in the past and even sometimes today for our own interest (e.g., Pakistan).
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Re: Willowcreek and Jimmy Carter
| Posted On: 08/15/07 06:33:45 PM |
Age 47, CA |
You forgot another one of Carters Blasphamous books "Our decling values" Where he speaks of abortion and homosexuality as being true christian.
As far as the Shah was concerned, he did not have the consent of the governed and it would not have been ethical to prop him up against the will of his people. As far as being "Anti American" Where in the Bible are we declared such a rightious nation that the entire world should bow to us?
In case you haven't noticed, our Churches are in disarray where the abortion, divorce, teen pregnancy, drug use, and the rate of just about every ungodly behavior with the walls of our Churches are little if any different than the behavior of the godless left. And you advocate bombing the world into submission to this?
Carter might just be everything you accuse him of but the GOP and so called religious right are the same baby aborting, drug abusing sodomites that "Those liberals" Are.
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| Posted On: 08/17/07 09:01:24 PM | | Age 47, IL |
So what is your point? Is Carter part of the repuductive health group from the UN...yes. Is he now and has he always been difficult to understand? Yes...so why do you think Willowcreek thinks so highly of him?
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| Posted On: 08/17/07 05:05:55 PM | | Age 61, FL |
Miss Markell you are right and cool.
your brother in Christ
Paul
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| Posted On: 08/17/07 05:53:42 AM | | Age 28, TX |
Hello there. I would like to know what evidence you have that -I- am a "baby aborting, drug abusing sodomite." After all, simply by allowing my faith to inform my politics, I'm "religious right." So please, substantiate your accusations against me. --Mrs. Pilgrim
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| Posted On: 08/20/07 12:29:19 PM | | Age 48, CA |
It's not about you alone. Everybody says "Not me!" And yet, the divorce, abortion, teen pregnancy, drug abouse rate, and all the other vices of the world are no different within the walls of our Churches than they are outside. Newt Gingrich was having an affair while self rightiously blasting our then "Rapist in chief". Jimmy Swaggert was angaging in porn not once, but twice and probably still does. The President of the American Evangelical association was caught making sexual advances to young boys, The Catholic Priest sex scandal, Jim & Tammy Baker, Micheal English, a prodominant Christian singer had an affair and impregnated his mistress only to declare "My personal life is none of your business!" Amy Grant dumps her husband for her manager and falsy accuses her husband of domestic abuse. The list goes on and on and these are the leaders! HAving been to many different Churches, there is little difference. Same soap opera of who is having an affair with whom, who is getting a divorce, etc. We are salt that has lost it's saltiness and now we want to bomb other nations into submitting our verson af saltless salt.
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| Posted On: 08/16/07 05:21:09 PM | | Age 51, MO |
Tough response, but I agree with much you have to say. To hold the shah of Iran up as an example is stupid. He was a brutal evil dictator that his people over through. I have heard people stand up for the former president of Liberia, Taylor, nevermind his policy was to hack the arms off children so they couldn't fight. (He was Pat Robinsons buddy and Pat defended him which was very sick) We must be careful holding ourselves up as examples. The list of American evils is long and wide.
We preach democracy until that democracy does something we don't like.
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| Posted On: 08/27/07 09:32:11 PM | | Age 48, CA |
I do believe that God alone decides the times & boundries of all nations. Even so called cruel leaders. In our current godless / opostate societies, we consider anyone who actually punishes evil to be cruel. We have taken Grace and turned it into allowing rapists to rape, robbers to rob, thieves to steal and murderes to kill.
Some even go so far as to want to punish victime who fight back claiming that "Failure to turn the other cheek" Is the real crime in this age of Grace.
John Adams, our 2nd President siad it eloquently. "Our Constitution was written for a Moral God fearing people and no other"
He went on to describe how order and freedom can only exist together when the people are inclined towards self restraint.
"The less contro there is from within, the more is required from without" Some people cannot have order unless they have a brutal dictator in control of them. The Lord, not us and our wonder weapons decides who is in charge when, where, and for how long.
When Thomas Jefferson proclaimed that governments derive thier just powers from the consent of the governed, he was unBiblical but even here, we tend to romanticise it with the notion that a brutal dictator cannot rule over a just people. It also goes the other way. A Just leader cannot remain in power over an imoral people. We tend to forget that Moses was, by our opostate standards, a brutal dictator who "Murdered" 3000 people in the Golden Calf incident and over his 40 years in the desert, he wiped out an entire generation.
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| Posted On: 08/16/07 05:27:57 AM | | Age 75, FL |
Dear Sir: You are truly, truly uninformed.
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