Re: BUSH’S NARROW WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY
| Posted On: 06/15/07 01:13:03 PM |
Age 47, CA |
After two deployments to Europe, I repent of my service in the Cold war. Seeing all the Soviet propaganda posters all over Italy, with Italians constantly trying to pry information from us in order to give it to the Soviets, and after having to perdonally chase of Italian sport divers who were diving under our sub in order to find something they can give to the Russians, it is my belief that we should have given them over to the Soviets. I will personally tell any European "Having failed to allow Hitler to take you all over, we should have given you over to Stalin!
Two European deployments made me conclude that the isolationists were right.
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Re: BUSH’S NARROW WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY
| Posted On: 06/09/07 12:33:17 PM |
Age 21, MS |
Sir,
"The mad man of Iran"? Try the mad man- or men rather- of Washington, and their useful idiots. Not only are these people pseudo-conservatives, but they would have us believe that agressive, imperial wars should be carried out, not merely in the name of democracy, freedom, and all that, but in the name of Jesus Christ! Is it not enough to belittle and denigrate democracy and freedom? Must you also abuse the name of God in advocating your ungodly wars and crimes?
This is not a light thing: God is very serious about taking His name in vain. Taking His name in vain on as vast a scale as calling for unjust destructive war against millions upon millions of people is an incredible offense. You do not know what sort of spirit you are- and I suspect you do not care, so long as the United States reigns omnipotent, delivering fire upon all its enemies, real and percieved, until we usher in world peace and prosperity- McDonalds and condoms for all, I suppose. Sir, such a spirit is not only evil, it is the spirit of the antichrist.
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- Me a pacifist?
| Posted On: 06/09/07 02:25:31 PM | | Age 47, CA |
It is amazing how anyone who disagrees with this war and with starting one with Iran is accused of being a pacifist. Being a 26 year veteran and an avid firearms enthusiast who owns enough firepower to hold of an entire street gang< I can hardly be accused of being a pacifist. What I am is a warrior who chooses his battles carefully. I don't cower behind our military industrial complex and have no fear of some guy dressed like Lawrence of Arabia kicking in my door and forcing me to bow towards Mecca. Knowing what it takes to invade and occupy a nation, there is no nation who is capable of occupying even one state let alone all 50 so this hot air about "Protecting our freedom" Is an outright lie. Even if I am wrong, I would simply do to them over here what they are doing to us over there. Pacifists would show thier faith by willingly going to their execution while others would either capitulate or stand tall in their faith in other ways. So, I am simply a warrior who refused to draw his sword when the likes of Mrs. Merkel is calling upon us to do so.
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| Posted On: 06/14/07 01:11:53 AM | | Age 62, TX |
You are terribly naive if you think terrorism can't take over our country and others. If you think being made to bow before Mecca is your biggest worry, I am concerned about you. I challenge you to read "BECAUSE THEY HATE" by Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese-born woman who has experienced radical Islam and escaped. She was a news anchor there, and speaks all the dialects of Arabic. She heads a group that constantly monitors the Internet and translates their communication. In her book she tells of unspeakable things Islamists do to infidels, including other Arabs, and she lists cities by name and tells what group has a cell there. Just Hamas has at least four cells listed in your home state of CA. The largest networks and most dangerous terrorist groups in the US are Hamas, al Qaida, and Islamic Jihad. She is a very brave person, driven by her love for Jesus Christ. I encourage you to get out of your past military mode and get current with what is going on now.
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| Posted On: 06/15/07 12:28:19 AM | | Age 47, CA |
Can you explain how all those men dressed like Lawrence of Arabia can come over here and take us over? Our own godless decadence is a bigger threat to us than any of those "Evil Muslims". Our own gangs shoot more of us, our own drug dealers poison more of us, our own sexual imoralty infects more of us, and more of our babies die horrible deaths in our abortion clinics than any so called terrorist could ever hope to kill. Even if this threat was as true as you claim, invading Islamic nations and forcing our godless ways upon them will only inflame them all the more. If they hate, you hate them back even more and want to bomb them, crush them under our tank treads, and force them into our opostate ways. I refuse to share you hatred of them.
Nor will I advocate sending our kids to go over there when I myself chose to retire from the military rather than take part in our quest to convert them or kill them.
By the way, WE do the same things. Only our "Sucide bombers" have electronic brains. We strap our bombs onto computer guided rockets, jets, and free fall bambs rahter than people but achieve the same results.
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Re: BUSH’S NARROW WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY
| Posted On: 06/08/07 03:42:01 PM |
Age 47, CA |
If I am going to pray for anything, it is that Bush sees the error of his ways and abandons this current gospel of bombs & bullets.
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Re: BUSH’S NARROW WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY
| Posted On: 06/07/07 08:01:05 AM |
Age 50, WV |
First in response to the writer who is angry about the call for prayers for ones leader, may we remind you that we as good followers and as believers are to show greater respect for those in power over us?Jesus indeed called us to pray always for our leaders. On the other hand, have you not read if requested to go a mile go two. In the times of the Empire, a solder could demand of anyone to carry his pack one mile if you are as astute as you feel then you realize Jesus commanded them to carry it two or more. This done out of respect, to show that we the followers are really his thus in so doing we display the truth of his love. May I also point out the many times Paul spoke of his own apologies to the head;as did Peter, both once in formed he was present or that he by their word or action had insulted the leadership. It is a sad thing that Christians in all manners have lost the need to teach respect or honor of ones leaders except when it suits them and they may receive a gain. Yes Christians show respect to the heads of their respective groups or pastors too their face. But this alas is a by product of fuzzy grace and the teaching that one is free from the law, when in fact the pardon that grace gives one freedom from is the penalty of the law . For thus all is full filled in Jesus and we with faith in him are then set free. Not from the law for if not for the law we would not know how wrenched we are. but thanks be to G-d we are free from its final penalty, it should then not be a burden but a true prize a desire , a true guide a thing to teach and carry with us all the days of our life.
The ten should be our want too list. I want only one G-d
So pray for the president, pray for our men and women over there and here. Pray for guidance and sanity in a world gone insane, yet most of all instead of anger at what is being done look for ways to show your bit of the spirit of truth in how you live your daily life. Display daily your love not anger, peace not regret and rage. Set aside your feeling look to others and make them feel simply be a good and G-dly servant always. And to the loyalist democrats who feel who rage peace to you and love always. Please look up FDR’S speech of June 6, 1941. Was that a slap in the face for the absurdity of this separation of church and state trash? May I remind you of the second of the two:” love your fellow man as your self”. For we all are fragile creatures as wisps of smoke with but a short time here.
As to the article, it seems to be a lot of back patting and personal praise
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| Posted On: 06/08/07 06:21:16 AM | | Age 50, MN |
While I do agree to pray for those in leadership (pastors, presidents, governors, etc) no matter how righteous or evil they may be, nowhere does it say we are to agree with their postions or forign policy actions. Try to imagine the apostle Paul telling the Ephesians or Romans to pray for the troops that are trying to over-run Germania for the Empire. Not in a million years. As another writer said, how can a believer pray for the death of another person? Since when are the goals of this country or any other one in line with the goals of the Kingdom of God? They're not and never will be. Choose whose side you will be on. America's, Israel's, or God's side. They are not the same.
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| Posted On: 06/07/07 06:02:50 PM | | Age 47, CA |
You are sounding like to swastika flying opostate churches in Germany when Hitler was in charge. They too preached to pray for thier leaders and thier soldiers over there. Go with him two? Kill those "Evil Muslims for Christ?" Sorry but there is no gospel of bombs & bullets so I will stand against this policy the same way faithful Jews opposed Ahab and the other evil kings.
To pray for "Our troops" Is to pray against those whom they are shooting. You cannot have safety and this current policy. It would be like a rapistr praying that his victim or the police doesn't shoot him.
The world has indeed gone insane and one of the insanities of this world are neocon christians who believe Christ commands them to bomb, shoot, and kill all those "Evil Muslims". My prayer is that the Lord humble us now rather than judge us later. Thus, I cannot pray for victory in our quest to impose our opostate ways upon the Islamic world.
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| Posted On: 06/14/07 01:34:24 AM | | Age 62, TX |
You're omitting a very important point. We are told to pray -- pray for our leaders, for example -- and finally, ask God not to answer our prayer as we want it, but as it would please Him to answer it. Perhaps if more of those Germans had prayed for the Lord's will, the USA would have had the courage to intervene in the Holocaust. That atrocious sin is not just on the heads of the Nazis. There is, after all the sin of OMISSION, just as there is the sin of COMISSION.
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| Posted On: 06/15/07 12:36:59 AM | | Age 47, CA |
I challenge you to find any quote where "Save the Jews!" Was the battle cry in WW2. Quite to the contrary, FDR was quoted "This is not a Jewish war!" The St. Louis tried to come here with a load of Jews. Before the final solution, the Germans tried to unload them on other nations. FDR personally ordered that if the St. Louis entered US waters, the Coast Guard was not only to sink it but to machine gun the survivors in the water.
There is even an unconfirmed report of FDR being outraged at so many Jews surviving after "Giving the Nazis more than enough time to finish the job. Furthermore, had Europe not forced the treaty of Verslales down the throats of the Germans turning Germany into a giant concentration camp. Hitler would have never come to power.
Europe created Hitler, Europe deserved Hitler. Also. The Morgenthahl Plan called for the Allies to continue operating the Nazi death camps in order to depopulate Germany until the population was down to a point where primitive agriculture could support it. Only the death of FDR prevented this plan from being implimented. Truman had to fire Morgenthahl and every cabinet member who supported the plan in order to prevent it from being implimented.
Bottom line: We are no as innocent as one would believe.
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Re: BUSH’S NARROW WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY
| Posted On: 06/06/07 10:09:17 PM |
Age 62, TX |
What an inspiring visit you must have had with Joel Rosenberg! Thank you for sharing it with your readers. We are certainly not "praying for war" as another reader stated. It is the Islamic jihadists that are praying for war, and itching to start one. They believe that if they eliminate all the infidels--everyone but them-- their messiah will then come back. Yes, we Christians are looking for the Lord's return, when He is ready, but at the same time, we realize how important it is to witness and try to save as many for Jesus as possible in the interim. I remember the Six-Day War, and I was absolutely amazed at how God protected little Israel against nations on all sides, when it seemed Israel would be annihilated. All things are possible with God! I was 22 years old, and that war was the beginning of my study of Eschatology. What an exciting venture this has been. Those who don't pursue it don't realize what they're missing. God Bless You, Jan!
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| Posted On: 06/07/07 09:03:16 AM | | Age 47, CA |
Mrs. Merkel is praying that Bush starts another war before he leaves office.
It is difficult to stand on the premise that "Us good Christians" Are soooo Inocent and "Those evil Muslims" Are sooo guilty when for the last 60+ years we have been manipulating governments and events in the Middle East in order to suck their oil.
We forget that Osama Bin Laden did not begin this latest Jihad against us until Bill Clinton boldly decalred "We lied! We are maintaining a military presence in Saudi Arabia forever!" This after Bush 41 made a solem promise that we would not do such a thing.
Even if it were true, invading nations and forcing them into our opostae ways where abortion, teen sex homosexuality, and all the other vices of the world are now permissable under grace will only inflame matters worse. It would appear that people in our churches are the same baby aborting, sexual imoral drug addicts that those on the Pagan / godless left are. Survey after survey show little if any difference in the teen pregnancy rate, divorce rate, abortion rate, or drug abuse rate and we still talk about how eveil "They are" and how "Good we are". There is no gospel of bombs & bullets.
Doing more of the things they hate us for in the first place will not win us anything.
Our own imorality kill many more of us than the actions of any terrorist group.
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| Posted On: 06/07/07 09:07:50 PM | | Age 62, TX |
You're drawing conclusions, some of which are moot, and putting them in print. You really didn't respond to what I posted, and I don't think you accurately responded to Jan's article, either. I think you just found a place to vent your hostile feelings. The OT and NT teach that it's proper to use force to restrain evil and wickedness. It's also proper to use force for the defense of a nation. As far as our Christian faith is concerned, the Bible does teach to turn the other cheek and we must be willing to become martyrs for our faith. That's quite a contrast from our enemies who teach their preschoolers to become suicide bombers! As far as protecting ourselves from personal crime and protecting our nation from foreign aggression, then force is allowed by both the OT and NT. The Bible does not teach pacifism. Pacifists usually use verses that apply for the defending of the faith, and IGNORE CONTEXT, which has nothing to do with defenses against those who do evil and against national aggression. You made a lot of generalizations. We Americans are not all bad and as sinful as you spin us to be. God always has His remnant of faithful followers, and He always takes care of them. I have never seen examples of the USA "forcing" other nations into our apostate American (only?) ways. (inject your list of sins).." There are despicable sins being committed in our country and in all the nations of the world. Examples are suicide bombing, beheading, torturing, dismemberment, sexual mutilation, and beating anyone whom you please into submission or death, whichever comes first, in the name of a false god!!! Do you not consider that sin??? When you make your blanket statements, speak for yourself only, do not speak for me! Quit looking back at the sins of (only) our history; do start to POSITIVELY pray for wisdom and discernment for our leaders instead of constantly NEGATIVELY condemning them. That is something you can do if you're willing. Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and I've read in the Bible Who wins!
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| Posted On: 06/08/07 03:40:25 PM | | Age 47, CA |
I have never seen examples of the USA "forcing" other nations into our apostate American (only?) ways. (inject your list of sins).." There are despicable sins being committed in our country and in all the nations of the world. Examples are suicide bombing, beheading, torturing, dismemberment, sexual mutilation, and beating anyone whom you please into submission or death, whichever comes first, in the name of a false god!!! Do you not consider that sin???Quote
Then you have not been looking. Since the end of WW2, we have assasinated leaders in the Middle East, Drove others from power, and replaced them with out puppets. OPEC was a direct reation to the Western powers exploiting them. When we talk about "Cruel dicatators" We talk about leaders who are too harsh on criminals. You advocate removing these evil leaders and replacing them with ones who will not punish the evil which will in turn lead to our high crime, high teen pregnancy, and all the other ills we suffer.
You are correc when you say "There are a few faithfull" Few is the key word. Not enough to make us a "Great Christian nation"
For a "Christian Nation" Does not abort over 1 million babies a year, nor does it have more children born out of wedlock than in marriage. Nations where Christians are the majority do not consume the amount of drugs we do, nor would one have as many kids joining gangs. Nations where Christians are in the majority would not have 50% or more marriages ending in divorce. In short, our fruit does not bear the notion that we arre some great Christian nation. And, Christian nations do not "Liberate the world" with wonder weapons bought with money we really don't have. Furthermore, it should not be possible to terrorise a real Christian. Anyone who cowers behind our military industrial complex is weak in faith at best, outright opostate or even fake in his faith at worst. We have no moral high ground. Perhaps Jesus would say to us "Let the one without sin press the first launch button."
Contray to beiung angry, I refuse to be angry at those "Evil Muslims" I refuse to call for anyone taking out "That madman In Iran" God determines the times and boundries of nations, not us and our so called wonder weapons.
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| Posted On: 06/14/07 01:20:22 AM | | Age 62, TX |
Do you honestly think that God wasn't with tiny Israel during the miraculous Six Day War when they had to do the pre-emptive strikes against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan because all three had weapons and artillery in position and ready to exterminate them? No one would stand with Israel!-----except God. If you'd had your way, Israel would have been passive and would no longer exist. But that was not God's plan for them. He's not through with Israel yet. They're not a Christian nation, but the Christian population is growing, and He will cause an great increase in their numbers.
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| Posted On: 06/15/07 12:40:29 AM | | Age 47, CA |
He was with them then, but not today in Lebanon. YOU are n no position to call for war and claim "God wills it". Easy for some old man to send others to do all the fighting and dying. Chickenhawks are so disgusting.
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| Posted On: 06/14/07 12:51:00 AM | | Age 62, TX |
Are you implying that our nation was right when it just smugly remained in its' little comfort zone and did nothing when Hitler and the Nazis were gathering and murdering Jews by the hundreds of thousands to the final total of over 6 MILLION, plus torturing, starving, and doing unspeakable medical experiments on them? Are you saying Roosevelt was right when he refused to allow a shipload of Jews to port and enter the USA, instead turning them back to Israel, but of course they never made it, the ship sunk and they all drowned. Are you actually saying that in God's eyes, our nation and others were more innocent for sitting back and allowing it, rather than intervening for the sake of God's chosen people? Are you suggesting that you didn't think Israel had saved the free world of a big problem when Israel had the wisdom and courage to take out OSIRIS nuclear plant in Iraq before they did heaven-knows-what to some nation/ethnic region? Are you implying that it is right of the USA, Britain, the major EU countries, and the UN to all but ignore the ethnic and religious genocide that's taking place in Darfur? Do you not realize that in the OT, God used sinful nations to invade and take over extremely sinful, vile nations because it was His will? It's there, in the Bible!!! You only quoted my statement in your first sentence, you didn't respond to the actual question. You'd rather generalize and bad-mouth all Americans and have "kind" feelings about the Iranian leader and his vile plan. It makes me wonder... I'm not saying that our nation is sin-free. I'm pointing out that what's happening with extremist Islam is the far greater sin, because they do their dastardly crimes in the name of their false god, allah. Now that is true IDOLATRY. Now that's a First Commandment breaker. I'm certainly glad that it wasn't your call with the Holocaust, Osiris, or Darfur. God absolutely does use nations to punish other nations. And I'm certainly glad it's not your call on "That madman In Iran," as you put it. The Bible allows man to defend himself, his family and his nation! Thank God, it is His call, as He carries out His plan. As to your remarks about the impossibility of angering a real Christian, I disagree. It angers me when I hear the truth twisted to suit the reader. I hate hearing lies replace the truth. God expressed anger in the Bible. Jesus expressed anger with the money changers and the Pharisees. He was angered by them because they were hypocrites! What a real Christian knows is that God keeps His promises, He's told us how the story will end, and real Christians are at peace with that. I won't be reading the rest of your run-on posts.
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| Posted On: 06/15/07 01:19:53 PM | | Age 47, CA |
Yes I am. Europe created Hitler, Europe deserved Hitler. We only replace Hitler with Stalin and since Stalin killed hundreds of millions vs Hitlers tens of millions and with our blessing, WE are as responsible for what Stalin did because We supported him. We have no moral high ground in WW2. WE made the bypassing of the enemies military and bombing thier civilians killing them by the tens of thousands a viable act of war. Now that the enemy is returning the favor, we call it terrorism. You have this idea that Hitler was an abnormal evil in an otherwise good world. Not so. Hitler was a normal evil in a normally evil world. WW2 was the bitter harvest of our own arrogance. After WW1, we believes that we could draw up the times & boundries of nations instead of God. It was our involvement in WW1 that brought Hitler to power. Had We not gotten involved in WW1, there would have been a more equitable peace. No treaty of Versales, no Hitler.
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| Posted On: 06/15/07 01:08:31 PM | | Age 47, CA |
There is no such thing as "God's superpower"
God allows nation to rise to our state of arrogance and strike them down with lesser nations in order to prove his power. "God commands us to go fourth and bring order to the world" Has always been the excuse of evil empires. Name one empire that didn't claim divine destiny. The world is in a fallen state and nobody is going to fix it until the King of Kings himself returns. Claiming that we have some "Christian duty" to build wonder weapons with money we don't really have and go fourth and take out this leader and install that one is unbiblical. There is no gospel of bombs & bullets.
We have no moral high ground on WW2. Every day new revilations come fourth on shady deals that were made and the bottom line is that many people were saved from the Nazis (Who were a product of Europes own arrogance) only to drive them at bayonet point into the hands of Stalin. If you want to pick up one of our .22 caliber poodle shooters (Which are only good for killing unarmed civilians), Go to Darfur and try and bring our idea of order to the region, go ahead. Do what you want with your own scalp, don't tell me what to do with mine and don't send other kids over there so you can cheer it on from the safety of your own living room. You will find that things are not as they appear. Christ does not command us to send fourth armies to take out leaders we consider bad and to replace them with our puppets. Did not Christ warn "My Kingdom is not of this Earth"? Also, Does not Paul teach "The swords we fight with are not the swords of this world?"
The Late Dr. J Vernon McGee one preached:
"The Lord punished this nation in Southeast Asia because we went in with bombs instead of Bibles. There is no gospel of bombs & bullets." Also, no nation or leader takes power without God's permission. If WE want to believe WE know better and need to Kill this leader or take out that one, WE will be in for a surprise.
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| Posted On: 06/08/07 10:01:25 AM | | Age 47, CA |
Bush's "Narrow window of opportunity" As Mrs. Merkel describes it is the year and a half he has to start a war with Iran. She quotes so called "Experts" Who proclaim that "We have to take this guy out!" So it is obvious that she is calling dor us to pray for Bush to kill more of those "Evil Muslims"
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| Posted On: 06/08/07 09:59:09 AM | | Age 47, CA |
In Itaq. We are the invaders. The enemy isn't doing anything to us over there that I would not be doing to them if they were over here. We decry nations who punish adulters, thieves, and other criminals in manners we consider too harsh and want to invade them and install our permisive ways upon them. We, in so many ways bel;ieve it is better to allow kids to run wild, abort thier babies, form agans, and shoot up the town than it would be to punish them.
As far as sucide bombings are concerned, our suicide bombers have electronic brains.
There is little difference between the 9-11 hijackers blowing up our trade center and our cruise missiles blowing up it's counterpart in Belgrade. In truth, the USAF has killed more civilians than all the worlds terrorists combined. The only difference is that we do it more high tech.
When we carpet bomb, fire bomb, atomic bomb, or cluster bomb entire cities killing civilians by the tens of thousands, its called "Strategic bombing" When the enemy returns the favor, its terrorism.
Can you open your Bible and show me where we are commanded to use force to liberate the world? And since those within our CHurches are practicing the same sins that the unbelievers do, just what are we liberating the world into? As Peter warned "Promising freedom while they themselves are slaves to depravity."
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| Posted On: 06/07/07 05:35:10 PM | | Age 44, TN |
Amen to that! Standing with amoral government is never moral. There is some pretty stinky fruit laying around on the "christian" right.
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| Posted On: 06/06/07 09:46:26 AM |
Age 47, CA |
Pray for war? Can you open your Bible and show me where the Church is commanded to tell any government to go to war?
Jesus did tech that no King goes to war without first measuring the cost.
We are currently bogged down in two other nations in our vain attempt to impose our opostasy and permisivness upon the Islamic world. The cost of our current occupation is already breaking the bank. We are running short of wannabes eager for trigger time. The only way we can start another war is to raise taxes in order to pay for it. Re call retirees and other vets to serve as "Retreads". And bring back the draft.
These measures would begin a public rebllion that would make the 60's look lame.
There is no gospel of bombs & bullets and to pray for war is unbiblical.
With out current state of opostasy, all we have to offer the Islamic world is abortion, teen sex, drugs , booze, and all the other sins of the godless world.
If we attack Iran, the enemy would first shut down all Persian Gulf oil, then, there would be many more 9-11's and this time, the entire world will tell us we deserve it.
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