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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 10:56:36 PM Age 25, IN
I don't particularly like the Emergent Church movement,either, however I will take issue with the particular bone that is being picked here. Apparently none of the people who have commented thusfar, nor the writer of this article has done much study in the original Greek text of Scripture. If they had, they would be astounded at the language (profane language) that comes out of Paul's pen. Paul uses a word in the Greek text that in the slang of the day would have meant the same as the "s-word" in English. Not to mention a passage where he refers to his own righteousness as "dirty tampons" in the Greek text. Do a little research before blasting people, please.
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    Posted On: 04/19/07 04:17:17 PMAge 28, MD
    References please.
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    Posted On: 04/01/07 12:28:00 PMAge 51, IN
    Paul's reference to "dung" and "filthy rags" refers to man's righteousness, man's traditions, and man's own ways, words, and pleasure. He never referred to God's Word in that context. The profanity used by Tony Jones is vulgarithy that in no way should be used in a descriptive of the Word. It is based on an attempt to draw in the young gullible minds looking to belong to a group that feeds the arrogant pride of the flesh of man. It is plain and simple. All one has to do is to look at the entirety of Jones' positions and teachings to see the utter falsehood and deception that the enemy is using to lead many to destruction.
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 09:40:04 PM Age 64, OK
Without question the use of profanity to presumably add emphasis to an exclamatory expression is but clearly a revelation of one's ignorance and lack of intellectual integrity. It matters not whether it be related to something theological or otherwise. In my opinion Tony Jones and the devotees of the EC are postmodern examples of the mythological Grecian Trojan Horse. They cloak themselves in Christian garments as it were by referencing passages of Scripture and Christian doctrine but ultimately spinning it to suit their worldliness and moral relativism. Thus they are infiltrators of the ranks of Christianity most of whom including Tony Jones are not proclaming the Truth of the Word of God but unfortunately just the opposite. While their objectives may appear well intentioned the effect of these cultish devotees to the EC is the undermining of the essentials of Christian doctrine and replacement of the traditional evangelical church with, dare I say, the church of the prince of darkness. Our Lord warns us in His Word to always be on guard for false teachers and those who would profess to be faithful Christians but who are in fact the opposite. It seems, as no doubt it has to others in times past, that they are multiplying in number most likely because the words of false teachers like Tony Jones, movies like the Da Vinci Code etc. tickles their itching ears. Nevertheless we cannot neglect our responsibility to minister the Truth to them with gentleness and with respect when the opportunity arises no matter how repugnant their response may be. The Truth has and will always stand on its own. Unlike the EC, the Truth needs no prop to hold it up and it is only "scary" to those who have reason to fear the judgement it imputes to us all.
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    Posted On: 04/01/07 04:44:41 PMAge 25, IN
    You state "Without question the use of profanity to presumably add emphasis to an exclamatory expression is but clearly a revelation of one's ignorance and lack of intellectual integrity." My point above was that Paul did that very thing. He used a "profanity" when he could have chosen a word that was less "offensive" Are you asserting, then, that Paul's use of the word "skubalo" is "clearly a revelation of [Paul]'s ignorance and lack of intellectual integrity." I sure hope not. My question is, are the words themselves "filth" or is it the context that gives meaning to them. If it's the words themselves, then Paul makes contradicting statements...telling readers on one hand to use "clean words" and then using "dirty language himself". If that's not the case, then the discourse about "course language" needs some further study to find out what exactly it refers to. You see, my view of Scripture will not stand up to a contradiction. If there is contradiction, then the Bible itself is flawed. I think that's not the case.
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 06:50:26 PM Age 52, FL
When I read this article I was apalled and very saddened at the disrespect of God and His Word. I believe we risk God's judgement. God help us, we're walking a very thin line. Nancy
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 05:28:04 PM Age 18, CA
What surprises me about this article is the lack of biblical references. Where is the biblical basis for saying that any word is inherently evil? The answer: there is no biblical basis. No combination of letters and sounds is evil in and of itself, but words used in a destructive manner are the ones that are evil. I personally don't cuss; I think there are better words to convey what I say, but nowhere in God's word does it say that the F-word, S-word, or any other "four-letter word" is sinful. What we are guided to do is to control our tongues (James 3), to not profane God's name (Exodus 20), to not swear oaths (Matthew 5), and to be graceful with our words (Colossians 4). Nowhere are we instructed, "Never use English cuss words, for they are evil." To some, cussing is a form of conversation, and they can glorify God just as much with their selection of words as we can with ours. Neither is a "more holy way" of glorifying God. That said, another reason I refuse to use so-called "vulgar language" is because I believe when used in the wrong situations or when used inappropriately, cussing can hurt my witness based on society's standards. Since Paul supports being "all things to all men so that by all possible means [we] might save some" (1 Corinthians 9), we should look at evangelism and spreading the word and character of God as our primary goals in life. With that outlook, any words or means of conveying information become merely tools of God's love and God's truth, including these cuss words. As with all words that we use, however, we must be careful. All words come from the tongue, which is "a world of evil among the parts of the body" (James 3), so, like any other colloquialisms, we need to be VERY discerning in our use of cussing. Pastor Silva, I know you mean well in your exposing of the Emergent and Emerging Church, but we should be very careful in our criticisms not to be legalistic. Legalism is also a snare that Satan loves to use to trip up churches and people. He used it with the Pharisees in order to crucify God's Son. Remember the words of Jesus Himself: "No one who does a miracle in My name can in the next moment say anything bad about Me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward" (Mark 9).
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  1. Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
    Posted On: 04/01/07 09:39:19 PMAge 50, MN
    So, I assume you have read Paul's writings about "unwholesome speech"? Wouldn't that fit this issue? You state that you don't use such words (sh*t, f**k, etc)because it might harm your Christian testimony; if these words aren't "bad", then why do you seem to grasp that using them might cause problems? You completely contradict yourself. You claim that it sin't wrong, but you claim that you don't. Which is it? OK or not? If it's OK, you go right ahead and use all the vulgarities you want to. If it's not OK, then back up and start over with an argument that makes sense.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
      Posted On: 04/04/07 03:45:07 AMAge 18, CA
      You say, "So, I assume you have read Paul's writings about "unwholesome speech"? Wouldn't that fit this issue?" Well, not necessarily, no. You are talking about Ephesians 4:29, right? Let's check the context. Paul says, "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as it fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear." Often times, cuss words do not "fit the occasion," and are not "good for building up." However, to exclude them with no basis for excluding them is silly. Since the Bible gives no such basis, I don't think you have a point. You say, "You state that you don't use such words (sh*t, f**k, etc)because it might harm your Christian testimony; if these words aren't "bad", then why do you seem to grasp that using them might cause problems?" The words themselves are not "bad," since they can be used very appropriately to build up people. However, there are normally alternative words to use. Part of what sets me apart from my fellow students at college are the words I choose to use. A simple and effective witness of my faith is my ability to control my tongue (James 1:26). In the college environment, certain four-letter words are used far too often by too many people simply because these people have the ability to use them. Therefore, it is fairly obvious to my classmates that I don't swear. That in turn causes them to ask me why I don't cuss, which in turn gives me a perfect opportunity to share my faith. Now, do I condemn cussing? Not as sin. There are times where a four-letter word is the best to describe the situation. There are times when it can be used with a greater impact than other words to uplift someone. As a general rule, I do not swear; however, situations do occur when a cuss word is the best word to uplift a brother. Discernment is necessary. You say, "You completely contradict yourself. You claim that it sin't wrong, but you claim that you don't. Which is it? OK or not?" This is a false dilemma. Simply because an action is not inherently wrong does not mean that one should do said action. In this case, were I to cuss, I would probably be a stumbling block to other Christians who view cussing as sinful in all cases. That's one of multiple reasons I don't cuss (I gave you one above), and my justification for that is found in Romans 14. You say, "If it's OK, you go right ahead and use all the vulgarities you want to. If it's not OK, then back up and start over with an argument that makes sense." I have an argument that makes sense. I apologize if I didn't make it clear the first time. Let me re-emphasize some points to try to make it clearer: 1) I don't cuss. This is in order to help my witness and in order to not be a stumbling block to my brothers and sisters in Jesus (among other reasons), not because the Bible says it's wrong. 2) The Bible gives no limits on speech except that it should be uplifting, right for the occasion, gracious, etc., and this does not absolutely exclude cuss words. 3) Since Paul give us license to be all things to all people so that by some means we might win some (1 Corinthians 9:19-23), we can conclude that since cussing isn't a sin (see point 2), it may or may not be useful in winning people to God. Discretion should be used. 4) I never directly stated this point, but it's important. If any action does not proceed from faith, it is sin (Romans 14:23). So if you believe cussing is wrong, always, don't cuss. If not, then cuss with discernment. God bless.
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
        Posted On: 04/05/07 07:14:14 PMAge 50, MN
        All I can say after reading through your muddled attempt to prove that filthy talk isn't a sin is; you're an idiot. You spend all kinds of words proving how foul talk shouldn't be used then defend your right to say it because it isn't really sin. You are a classic example of the pomo generation who doesn't really believe anything is a sin except not being "relational" or "missional" or whatever the current catch phrase is today. Yep, you're an idiot.
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        1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
          Posted On: 04/06/07 04:40:15 PMAge 18, CA
          You say, "All I can say after reading through your muddled attempt to prove that filthy talk isn't a sin is; you're an idiot." I think this sentence is the perfect example of what Ephesians 4:29 says is wrong. It is not helpful for building me up. You did not interact with my arguments at all except to say they were "muddled," nor did you justify why my arguments were muddled. In short, this section of your reply was a waste of your time and mine. Please interact with my arguments. If I am wrong, show me! I am eager to learn from someone older who has more life experience than I do, but I can't just take what you say 'a priori'; there needs to be justification. You say, "You spend all kinds of words proving how foul talk shouldn't be used then defend your right to say it because it isn't really sin." Not true. Maybe I didn't make my point clearly enough. I'm trying to say that the Bible does not forbid the use of any particular word or group of words. Instead, it forbids using words in a way that is harmful or unwholesome. It seems you believe that cuss words are always harmful or unwholesome. I disagree, in the general case. There are many times when they ARE harmful; however, that doesn't make them harmful all the time. I challenge you to show me, biblically, why cuss words are always wrong, since it seems that's what drives your argument. Does that clarify anything? If not, tell me where I'm being unclear. You say, "You are a classic example of the pomo generation who doesn't really believe anything is a sin except not being "relational" or "missional" or whatever the current catch phrase is today. Yep, you're an idiot." I don't know what this "pomo generation" is, but I would caution you against stereotyping me since you don't know me at all. I am not part of the Emerging or the Emergent Church, but I have a very clear picture of sin and its consequences. I adhere to most points of Reformed Theology, including (at least) 4.5 of the five points of Calvinism. Does that make you respect me more? It shouldn't. I'm only pointing these things out because I want to show you how wrong your stereotype is. Please, treat me as a brother in Christ, since that's what I am. Show me where I'm wrong instead of just telling me my argument is "muddled." Tell me where I'm not making sense, and I'll clarify myself for you. God bless.
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        Posted On: 04/05/07 11:52:29 AMAge 51, NH
        Stated above: "cuss with discernment. God bless." *rapidly shaking my head* Huh!? Eph. 4:29 - "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths,..." Colossians 3:8 - "But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these...filthy language from your lips." God bless cussing "with discernment" while one clearly and knowingly violates His Word? Case in point of just how dangerous this Emergent rebellion against the Bible is. What's next? Commit adultery "with discernment", steal "with discernment"...no way off this slippery slope. I say again, $evangelicalism$ embraces Emergent wolves in sheep's clothing like Tony Jones at its own peril.
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          Posted On: 04/06/07 04:58:01 PMAge 18, CA
          Hi, Pastor Silva. You say, "Stated above: "cuss with discernment. God bless." *rapidly shaking my head* Huh!? Eph. 4:29 - "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths,..." Colossians 3:8 - "But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these...filthy language from your lips."" Thank you for using Scripture. I don't think you have a proof of your point here, though. You have not shown that cussing is "unwholesome talk" or "filthy language." Why do you think it's unwholesome or filthy? As another person pointed out, the apostle Paul used the Greek slang for "dirty tampons" when talking about his good works. Are you saying that Paul was using unwholesome talk as well? You say, "God bless cussing "with discernment" while one clearly and knowingly violates His Word?" Again, you need to show that these two statements go together. God blesses speech that builds up (Eph. 4:29) and speech that is full of grace (Col. 4:6). Nowhere does it say that speech satisfying these two requirements cannot contain cussing. They are not mutually exclusive. Actually, let me modify that slightly: They are sometimes mutually exclusive. If I were to talk with a child still in elementary school, for example, I probably should not use a cuss word, since the child may not see it as helpful for building up. Alternatively, if I told you that, as a pastor, you were the sh*t, that may not be beneficial for building you up. Does that make sense? However, these are specific cases. In the general case, I think that the Bible is silent on whether American cuss words are unwholesome. You say, "Case in point of just how dangerous this Emergent rebellion against the Bible is. What's next? Commit adultery "with discernment", steal "with discernment"...no way off this slippery slope." You again assume that cussing is by very nature sinful. You have not proven this and therefore cannot assume it. Obviously, God is clear on adultery and theft being sinful. He is not clear on certain words being generally sinful. Prove this before you make your point, since until you prove this, your argument holds no water. You say, "I say again, $evangelicalism$ embraces Emergent wolves in sheep's clothing like Tony Jones at its own peril." Honestly, I don't know Tony Jones. I don't know what he stands for. All I take issue with is your article, in which you lambast a man for using a word without showing why it was sinful or wrong of him to say what he did. That's my beef and my reason for posting this much concerning the issue, since I believe you unjustified for your attack on this man for this specific reason. God bless.
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            Posted On: 04/12/07 08:47:37 PMAge 54, PA
            You say that it is permissible to use profanity as long as it builds someone up. Please give me a scenario as I have never heard obscenities used in this manner. I was taught that if you wouldn't use it in speaking to Jesus, don't use it at all. I cannot imagine using any curse word in His presence; let alone using one to describe His work in His presence. I think you may have missed the point. Whatever happened to reverence and respect for the written word of God? And concerning Paul's use of strong language--he used it to describe his distaste for his own sinful nature, not anything pertaining to God. Major difference.
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              Posted On: 04/16/07 07:51:28 PMAge 18, CA
              You say, "You say that it is permissible to use profanity as long as it builds someone up. Please give me a scenario as I have never heard obscenities used in this manner." Suppose I get out of a math exam (I happen to have one tomorrow, and it's on my mind) and I'm talking to my buddy. He says, "Thanks for going over the material with me before the test. Because of what we covered, I f***ing owned it!" I know my friend must be fairly confident in his speech, since he indicated it with a cuss word. This would build me up, since he's telling me that because of how I helped him, he did well. Did he have to cuss? No. Did it add emphasis and certainty to what he was saying? Absolutely. Therefore, in this situation, I was built up more by his cussing than if he hadn't cussed. You say, "I was taught that if you wouldn't use it in speaking to Jesus, don't use it at all.I cannot imagine using any curse word in His presence; let alone using one to describe His work in His presence." In these two sentences, you claim two things, and support neither biblically. Like I have said before, if I have stated something falsely, show me using the Bible. Even if your first sentence were true, your second sentence makes an entirely subjective claim, that is, that YOU could not imagine using any curse word in His presence. That's fine. Romans 14:23 tells us that if you can't do something in faith, don't do it. However, the rest of Romans 14 tells us that we cannot claim that people who don't worship or serve God in the same way we do are out of line simply because their faith is different than ours. Obviously, if their faith is unbiblical, confrontation can and should happen. So simply because you believe that cuss words cannot be used to edify, which is okay to believe, does not mean that they can't. Does that make sense? I suggest reading through Romans 14 before rebutting my argument. You say, "I think you may have missed the point. Whatever happened to reverence and respect for the written word of God? And concerning Paul's use of strong language--he used it to describe his distaste for his own sinful nature, not anything pertaining to God. Major difference." Why is there a difference? If I were to say, "God is f***ing powerful!" isn't that showing respect to God's name? If that's sinful to say, where should we draw the line? Is it okay to call God "tight?" Are we supposed to call God "Thou" in our prayers? Once you begin banning certain colloquialisms that may have vulgar definitions, you must ban all colloquialisms to stay consistent. I wouldn't be surprised if the word "tight" was once sexual slang for the quality of a woman's private parts. So, according to you, where do we stop? What is acceptable? God bless.
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                Posted On: 04/19/07 06:41:38 PMAge 28, MD
                You said: "If I were to say, "God is f***ing powerful!" isn't that showing respect to God's name?" No, it is not showing respect to God's name. To begin with, look at the word you chose. What does it mean? It's a word that is vulgar and cheapens the act to which it is describing. And you want to apply that to God and say you're glorifying Him? Is that all the more powerful you think that He is...? Profane words are degrading, not uplifting, no matter what context you put them in. They're called profanities for a reason. And perhaps the reason why there are no specific examples listed in the Bible is due to the fact that different cultures would have different profane sayings and expressions. That's why the Biblical writers could use such generalities when they told us to watch what comes out of our mouths! "To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech."-Proverbs 8:13
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the ?F-Bomb? on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 04:51:47 PM Age 27, MN
Yes, this was a bad choice of language. Mr. Jones should have acted differently out of deference to those who would obviously be offended by the use of such a word. His lack of deference was where he went wrong. Think along the lines of Paul's lesson in Romans 14:19-21 where he states that it is better to refrain from meat and wine if it would cause your brother to be offended. I am alarmed when I read statements that draw legalistic lines around the "effenheimer" or "f-bomb." Please remember that God's law is perfect, converting the soul. Man's rules and legalism are not. God's law speaks to using His holy name in vein and speaking oaths. Maybe someone older and wiser can tell me if words are like meat in the context of Paul's lesson: "For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence."
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the ?F-Bomb? on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 02:22:31 PM Age 55, LA
"A little leaven leavens the whole batch." Jesus already told us that. Overtime if things aren't addressed, the loaf does indeed become full of fungus and all kinds of bacteria and mold. That is what has happened in the institutional church. They didn't heed Jesus' warnings and directions and the leaven has spread, infecting the entire loaf. Now, those who were once on the narrow road are walking the broad road and they don't even know it. "Come out from among them and be seperate," says the Lord, "or you will share in their plagues."
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 02:14:23 PM Age 73, MN
I was raised to believe that there were better ways to express yourself than using profanity or words that had such objectionable connotations as the word you refer to. After all these years, I still believe that this kind of language reflects a lack of ability to express oneself, and a total disregard for things that might offend others. In short, it is bad manners. And I don't think a Christian has a right to display bad manners purposely. He thinks the Bible is a scary book? In his case, he is probably right. It is really self-indulgent to indulge in behavior that offends others around you.
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 12:22:53 PM Age 58, VA
What in the world will it be next? Just how low will they go? (Pun intended!)
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 11:25:35 AM Age 44, NY
What language do you think we should be using with a generation of illiterates? Words like: bad, evil and wicked, have been changed in today's lexicon to indicate things which are to be admired and good. What would you call a back stabbing brood of vipers who play church every Sunday and call themselves CHRISTIANS? I don't know what you would think or what is in your heart but the simple definition is; THEY ARE HYPOCRITES! Do you think Paul would have used more colorful language when describing the filth and moral degradation of The LORD's followers if it were available to him? You bet he would have... In NO UNCERTAIN TERMS! BY NO MEANS! He might use the term; HELL NO! You would be F'n crazy to do that! What you consider to be filthy language is considered to be a term used among friends today. It is easier to say "'F' you" then it is to say; "Blessings upon you and your household brother, be at peace and may The LORD shine upon your handiwork". The first conotates familiarity and the second comes across as a snide self righteous remark. Win people by your love for them Not by how well you can raise the bar and standard of your own righteousness. Wonder why CHRISTIANS are such hypocrites? They raise the bar for themselves so high The Spirit of the Holy God Almighty himself would find it amusing. Why do you think he said "My yoke is easy and my burden is light"? Everyone wants to be better, stronger, faster, more wealthy and more prominent. Greedy, lascivious wretches, covetous beyond measure, you find them all in the church on Sunday morning. Bemoaning the tactics used by a few who are more concerned with actually getting to know the sinner beneath them. Arghh!!! Judgment begins with the house of God. Better have your howse in order before the "F"n shake-up begins.
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  1. Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
    Posted On: 03/31/07 10:55:16 PMAge 56, CA
    I think the author has missed the point here. Every human being has the inalienable right to common decency. Freedom of speech has never included obscenities. Everyone has the right to ask others to watch their language whether they are "illiterate" or not is irrelevant they will figure it out. Using a religion to promote obscenities is just a sham. There is no salvation for those who continue to use obscenities. If you need a Scriptural reason then read Colossians 3:8 "But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth." The Greek word translated "filthy communication" is defined as "foul speaking, low and obscene speech." Using foul language is not and never has been part of the true Gospel and will never lead anyone to it. Nor is it a right defended by the Constitution. We are fools if we let others deceive us into thinking it is.
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  2. Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
    Posted On: 03/31/07 10:53:37 PMAge 53, IA
    Using a profanity as an adjective to describe the Word of God shows no reverence for GOD.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
      Posted On: 04/01/07 01:15:40 PMAge 44, NY
      The Bible is not God and God is not the Bible. If you believe it is in any form The Holy Almighty God of the Universe then you are guilty of idolatry. The scriptures point us to God but are not God Himself. The book is a book nothing more then paper with the words of life written therein.
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      1. Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
        Posted On: 04/02/07 10:05:56 AMAge 52, NY
        (Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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        1. Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
          Posted On: 04/04/07 03:56:21 AMAge 18, CA
          Uh, the Word that was with God? That's not the Bible, that's Christ. So where's your point?
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        2. Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
          Posted On: 04/02/07 07:29:04 PMAge 40, FL
          Amen!!!
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  3. Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
    Posted On: 03/31/07 10:28:44 PMAge 68, MA
    How should one speak to "these illiterates" ? Use God's way instead of becoming like them. If you want to help someone out of a ditch you don't jump in beside them. The gospel is the power of God to salvation and it doesn't rely on foul language. God says His Word goes forth & does not come back void. Those who don't believe that rely on the arm of the flesh. Poverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
      Posted On: 04/01/07 01:20:29 PMAge 44, NY
      Sometimes you need to get underneath someone in order to get them out of a ditch. If you pull too hard on their arms, you rip their feet off or pull their shoulders out of socket...
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
        Posted On: 04/19/07 03:45:12 PMAge 28, MD
        ...and when you jump down in there with them, you've sunk lower than they have and they still can't reach the top...
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  4. Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
    Posted On: 03/31/07 12:14:02 PMAge 51, NH
    Well, one needn't look further than the above for an excellent example of what I am talking about in this piece as the fruit of the Emergent Church and Tony Jones. The positions they hold in this regard have been stated quite accurately in the above comment and the resultant conduct of those who adhere to the doctrines of the Emergent Church and Tony Jones have therein been demonstrated most clearly.
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    1. Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
      Posted On: 03/31/07 07:59:53 PMAge 44, NY
      <Well, one needn't look further than the above for an excellent example of what I am talking about in this piece as the fruit of the Emergent Church and Tony Jones.> I am not a member of the emergent church. I am "ULTRA" CONSERVATIVE, if you must know. I missed three questions on the Worldview test because the multiple choice answers were too liberal for my liking. <The positions they hold in this regard have been stated quite accurately in the above comment and the resultant conduct of those who adhere to the doctrines of the Emergent Church and Tony Jones have therein been demonstrated most clearly.> I think you have just tried to insult me. That's OK. God loves you and I love you enough to tell you the truth. It matters not what you believe as long as what you believe is the truth. Sometimes you actually have to look in the slime on hands and knees to find it.
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      1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
        Posted On: 04/02/07 12:33:39 PMAge 51, NH
        You said: "I think you have just tried to insult me." No, I'm afraid you are incorrect. I simply stated a fact. And then you say: "as long as what you believe is the truth. Sometimes you actually have to look in the slime on hands and knees to find it." This is opinion and one I think is quite untrue in regard to the subject which is Tony Jones cursing in reference to the Bible. In this case, it's just slime...
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        1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
          Posted On: 04/03/07 02:59:19 PMAge 44, NY
          Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. I'm sorry, The man must have been digging in clean dirt.
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          1. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
            Posted On: 04/19/07 04:07:58 PMAge 28, MD
            What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Maybe the treasure wasn't buried in the dirt, maybe there were just a bunch of tall weeds that made it impossible to see...and that's irrelevent to this topic. The point is, must Christians act like the rest of the world? Is it acceptable for Christians to throw around profanities like the rest of the world does? The Bible calls us to be separate. In but not of the world. And it has a lot to say about watching what comes out of our mouths. "The mouth of the righteous brings forth wisdom, but a perverse tongue will be cut out."-Prov. 10:31 "I said, "I will watch my ways and keep my tongue from sin; I will put a muzzle on my mouth as long as the wicked are in my presence." "-Ps. 39:1 "Her priests do violence to my law and profane my holy things; they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them."-Ezek. 22:26 "For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech."-1 Pe. 3:10 Etc.
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Re: Emergent Church Leader Tony Jones Drops the F-Bomb on the Bible
Posted On: 03/31/07 10:21:30 AM Age 69, KY
It is sad indeed to think that someone would actually attempt to justify profanity by claiming that the Bible sanctions such. Many, many passages would refute such nonsense. Eph. 4:29; 5:4 clearly condemn such. The person who ueses such needs to repent. The person who claims that the Bible teaches such needs to read James 3:1. No, I am not judging him, the Word of God does that.
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