Re: The North American Union is Really a Debate Over Political Ideology
| Posted On: 03/24/07 12:04:05 PM |
Age 55, MS |
If would be the heighth of irresponsibility if we permit our leaders to cede over our country's sovereignty to a plutocratic EU-style of governance. No freer people ever lived on this earth than in our constitutional republic and this was no accident.
Every founding document from the Mayflower Compact to the Declaration of Indpendence recognized the hand of Divine Providence in the formation of this country. Ergo, we would be hurling our liberties back into the face of God should we so lightly set them aside based upon the jaded appraisals of those who have not lived long enough to learn a healthy respect for the benefits of national sovereignty and whose limited grasp of history and scripture has been learnt, if at all, from those who peddle the snake oil of "no border, no boundaries" as a panacea for our troubled world.
True enough, the Bible speaks of a coming one-world government, as it does about the sinful nature of mankind. Because it says that such things are and will be around until Christ returns, it does not follow that we acquiesce to either of them. As we are to struggle with our sinful natures, so God expects us to be found working when Christ returns for us, his church. As long as we have the power and legitimacy to act to preserve our God-given rights, then we should do so. Fatalism is simply a crutch the lazy will use to avoid their responsibilities. Perdition will hold its share of those who like Essau, cared so little for their birthrights. Let it not be said of us that we exchanged our birthright for a so-to-speak economic bowl of soup.
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| Posted On: 08/23/07 09:03:31 PM | | Age 79, MO |
Excellent! I only wish I could have said it as eloquently.
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Re: The North American Union is Really a Debate Over Political Ideology
| Posted On: 03/23/07 04:45:02 PM |
Age 19, VA |
You said if we don't like nationalism we shouldn't be concerned with a north american union...I'm concerned that people still like nationalism. nationalism led to the first world war, and the rise of fascism before the second world war. I want no part of glorifying or deifying a nation, especially for the fact that i happen to live in it.
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| Posted On: 03/24/07 12:22:38 PM | | Age 68, MA |
Congratulations ! You are a prime example of successful brainwashing. The powers that wish to control won't have to worry about you at all. The desire for power, money,and control causes all wars. The basic root being the fallen nature of man...sin. Do you really think that the North American Union, controlled by a few at the top, will prevent wars and create a peaceful society ? Do you really believe that a few men in control, without your in-put, will have your best interests at heart ? Then you must believe in fairy tales too. Everything will be hunkeydorey for you until your interests come into conflict, but by then it will be too late for you. Read history. Go back much further than the WW1 ( that is..if you got the whole story about that in school at all)
Read the Book of Revelation, several times if you have to. Ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten you. Pray to God to open your eyes.
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| Posted On: 03/25/07 05:15:51 PM | | Age 19, VA |
you mention control by a few at the top with no input from me--if i didn't know better, i would think you were describing the corporate net that controls america now. As for government operating without my input, that was one of the ideas of democracy wasn't it? that doesn't go away with better economic fortitude provided by nations entering into agreements. And as for brainwashing, the burden of proof is on you. the agents of brainwashing, the media, are owned by those same corporations that would only stand to lose out in the face of a NA union, and a concept like nationalism has always been part of public brainwashing, of making a population accept the government without question. That is brainwashing, you agree? the point where we stop asking questions and start blindly accepting things on faith? I would never blindly accept an NA union, and haven't seen enough information to make up my mind on its effects, although the EU is doing wonders for europe. I would however have a problem with anyone who thinks nationalism is a 'good idea' in any context--nationalism is just a tool of those power-lusting greedy money-grabbers that you point to, one of the chains around the necks of the oppressed
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Re: The North American Union is Really a Debate Over Political Ideology
| Posted On: 03/23/07 11:58:52 AM |
Age 20, AR |
Why do Christians get so up-at-arms about things like this. "Someone is threatening your liberties." "Those people don't care about your way of life." Oh no!! (<- extreme sarcasm)
My apologies, but I had to make the point. If I remember correctly Christ told us we were going to suffer, and that we should actually rejoice in that suffering (James 1.2-4). Maybe this sort of junk is what we need to get the 85% of Americans who "claim" to be Christians off of their complacent butts and start doing something for the Kingdom of God.
These sorts of things are prophesied about, folks. It is going to happen! Perhaps not now, but it will be done. We are supposed to look forward to the coming of the Lord. These things mean He is near. Don't you want that?
>>zack
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| Posted On: 03/24/07 08:14:35 PM | | Age 30, OR |
Any person failing to understand the gravity of FORCED SOCIALISM upon legal citizens of the Republic of the United States of America is either brain dead or educationally retarded!
Christians who sit under socialists in the pulpit espousing only "love, mercy, grace" apostate theology are NOT being a fully-orbed Biblically-based Christian. The Rick Warrens and Joel Osteens of the so-called emergent church are NOT Christian but those whom the Bible warned about slithering into the church pulpit and leading "blind and dumb sheep" into destruction. They are the C.I.N.O. believers (Christian in name only) who must endure the great tribulation because Christ will say to them, "I know you not!". Be a Acts 17:11 believer and prove it to be true to yourself.
Those in the pulpit who tell you that Christians are not to be politically active are SOCIALISTS
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| Posted On: 03/27/07 11:04:50 AM | | Age 20, AR |
Believe me...I am not a fan of the 'Emergent Church' or the people in charge of the movement. Nor am I a fan of the type of Christianity that most of the writers on this site profess, however for the most part I align with their beliefs. Emergent churchers would call me a conservative. Conservatives would call me a liberal. I think both sides need a whole lot of work. Politically...I'm a conservative, but I would like to be a libertarian. To be perfectly honest with you, I really don't care. I already know I'm on the winning team.
About Socialism (I'm not talking about the Carl Mark king here. I mean that kind that the early American settlers attempted), can someone tell me why socialism is so wrong? An economic system that is based on the saying "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need." sounds pretty good to me. I mean I understand why it doesn't work. People will only do enough to get by. But that isn't what I'm asking here. I'm asking why it's wrong.
How about why American free-enterprise is so right? It most certainly works. But again, that's not what I'm asking.
Socialism doesn't work because people are greedy. Free-Enterprise works because people are greedy. For some reason I would rather go down in flames doing what is right than prosper in a system that works because of the evil of man--no matter how much good it can accomplish--it is still based on the fallen state of man.
Seriously. I'm not trying to cause an uproar here. I honestly want to know the answers to those questions.
>>zack
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