Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 10:47:22 AM |
Age 59, KS |
Has there ever been a time in world history when homosexuals didn't exist?
Has there ever been a time in history when
people always did what was right and righteous? Who create the world and all its creatures?
I won't dwell on this any further as I'm sure you may know where I'm going with my questions. I would simply like to say (like I usually do) that Love is the only answer to all of our ills. Love won't attack Love nor will it cause harm.
I'm not talking gooey Love but the Love Christ taught us.
We are so busy dancing around the issue to really address it properly. We need to get past just reading scripture and dwell more on its meaning. Apply it to our lives...totally. If I love you, then I will make every effort to keep from hurting you including participating in irresponsible sex of any variety. Sin is "self interest nature" and we're born with it. As we mature, it would be nice if we could lose it...at least most of it. If we all love, is self interest necessary? We would all do what is right to make it all right for everyone. Utopia? Maybe. But
not if we try harder.
We should stop making excuses for our inability to do what is right. I'm weary of the "we all far short of His glory" kind of rhetoric I so often hear. We only fall short because we don't try to live closer to the light of God's Love. To live wholesome and caring lives.
I never thought the Berlin Wall would topple in my lifetime but it did. Communism and Fascism in Eastern Europe is pretty much history. For some reason, I do have hope that the human race will finally get the message and decide to care for itself by caring for each other.
Maybe its my strong belief in God that takes me to Utopia. The hope that someday, some way, the world will collectively take Christ into their hearts.
Sometimes I think people are more fearful of love than they are of hurt and suffering.
J.D.
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 10:43:17 AM |
Age 70, NA |
Well, I have no criticism at all in regards to your article, but in Australian a number of God-anointed counsellors of the healing and deliverance ministry have come to a belief that many gay people were born normal, but at birth they may have been handled by a gay person and the spirit was transferred to the child at birth. May gay people have been released from their bondage, by healing and deliverance counselling.
PS: I'm not from Albion, Nebraska, but from Australia, and it wouldn't accept my feedback, because I am an Aussie.
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 10:26:19 AM |
Age 37, CA |
Come on Steve, don't you know? The Bible is 'outdated.' Get with the program bro. All that stuff is for witch hunters and narrow minded bigots. It's 'O.K.' to be gay. It's O.K. for adult teachers to have inappropriate relations with their underage students. BTW...you forgot to mention that gene. It's O.K. to 'interpret' scriptures to meet your own needs....isn't it?
(DISCLAIMER: It's not O.K.)
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 10:24:24 AM |
Age 50, IL |
I, too, was totally confused upon hearing of Dr. Mohler's statement(s)...on the first point of even acknowledging the possibility of a homosexual gene, and secondly because he seemed to contradict even his own stated position on his radio broadcast.
But, I agree with Steve's position: where would it end? A gene for this, that, and the other of every type of sin?
In the spirit of which I believe the list of possible 'sin genes' was given, I offer one more: a hyper-Calvinism gene.
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 10:14:29 AM |
Age 35, TX |
I am not surprised that Mr Mohler would come up with such an absurd idea as to think researchers could find a "gay-gene". I don't know the man, but unless we live a completely surrendered life to Christ and think with the mind of Christ, we will fall. Nothing and no one is exempt from the attacks of satan, and the first place he starts is in our minds. If Mr. Mohler would have gone straight to the Holy Spirit for guidance on this absurd possibility, he would have been directly to God's pure Word. I didn't know who Ted Haggard was till I read about his "fall" in the news, and there again is another man of God attacked and he didn't resist temptation and pull out his Sword. My advice to Mr. Mohler as a single parent and disciple of Jesus, is to PRAY, TEST the spirits, PRAY, TEST, until he knows that the voice He hears is that of The Good Shepard.
San Antonio mom
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...Through Adam...
| Posted On: 03/20/07 09:25:10 AM |
Age 29, PA |
You ignore the fact that sin IS fundamentally a genetic problem.
The problem of original sin.. the problem of Adam ruining the game for the rest of us... these are orthodox beliefs in Christianity.
Because Adam sinned, we are all doomed from conception. We openly say that mankind inherited the sin nature from adam. That it passes from man to man, ever since the first man.
But we want to discount the possiblity that the human genetic structure might be flawed in such a way as to predispose us to want to sin???
That doesn't make sense.
They HAVE found genes that predispose one to alocoholism, eating disorders, and violent tendencies. That doesn't negate the fact that giving in to these genetic precursors is SIN. It DOES support the fact that we are SLAVES to sin, apart from the Grace of God.
One's genes don't make one pick up that first drink, or eat that extra donut, or have sex with a man. But the genes provide the urge (the TEMPTATION) to do so.
Why are some of us tempted toward pride? And others toward gluttony? And others toward... just as genes predispose one's personality and appearance, I fully believe they predispose one's weakness toward a particular sin.
I've known people who ALWAYS felt 'homosexual' without molestation or any of the other reasons we like to say homosexuals choose (and often they do) to live their lifestyle. They just 'were' the way they were. But these people came to know the Lord and were freed from those urges and found a life with a loving, godly spouse of the opposite sex. I believe that in Christ the old nature is done away with, and the new is made manifest... it is a true Miracle of Grace.
The Bible clearly states we are NOT free agents prior to faith in Christ. We are SLAVES to our SIN NATURE. If science finds a definitive gene for homosexuality, it bolsters the fact that apart from grace, we're hopeless. I find it another scientific explanation for the hard things of the Bible...
It's God's grace that FREES us to follow HIM instead of our sin nature. Why is the discovery of another 'sin-nature' gene threatening to our faith? I don't get it...
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- Re: Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...Through Adam...
| Posted On: 03/20/07 02:56:45 PM | | Age 30, TN |
I commend you for your excellent response. Why else would the New Testament spend so much time dealing with the issue of our sinful "flesh" unless the flesh DOES influence the mind and the will. As human beings we are both physical (our bodies) and non-physical (our minds, souls, personalities etc.) and the two are intertwined. The sin of Adam and Eve caused sin to influence ALL of the human being, and ALL of creation--physical and non-physical. This fact (often called total-depravity) explains not only why no one has to teach a child how to lie and steal, etc., but also why the ground grows thorns, why many animals are carnivorous (all were herbivorous before the fall Gen 1:30), why there are earthquakes and hurricanes, and so forth. So there is both moral evil (sin) and natural evil (suffering). Genesis is quite clear that there was no natural evil until there was moral evil (hence the curse AFTER the fall). If the sin of Adam and Eve could cause the ground to grow thorns where previously there were none, is it really such a stretch to say that the same sin has corrupted human genes and that such genetic corruption is now causing problems in other areas as well? As a side note, many are overlooking what may prove to be a tremendously positive effect caused by the discovery of a supposed "gay gene", namely that there could quite possibly be an enormous surge in support of the pro-life position. Even liberals would reject the idea of a baby being aborted simply because a prenatal test showed an inclination toward homosexuality (although prenatal testing for downs, etc. has not hindered them thus far). Finally, there are other factors which are now coming to light that ought to be discussed, specifically, that pregnant women should avoid soy products and mothers should avoid feeding their infants soy-based formula when they are unable or unwilling to breast feed their babies. This is due to the estrogen hormone effects of a diet high in soy for both females and males. See the informative and alarming six part article series at World Net Daily by Jim Rutz entitled "Soy Is Making Kids 'Gay'."
Brian
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 09:24:46 AM |
Age 40, KY |
Excellent!! You're using the Word of God as the standard for your argument. Thus Mohler's argument is with the Lord Himself.
Thank you for showing us and Mohler how to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 09:24:13 AM |
Age 40, KY |
Excellent!! You're using the Word of God as the standard for your argument. Thus Mohler's argument is with the Lord Himself.
Thank you for showing us and Mohler how to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 09:16:38 AM |
Age 44, NY |
While I don't necessarily believe in a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, I fail to see why there is so much anxiety over Dr. Mohler's statement. The fact of the matter is "IF" there is such a predisposition and something can be done about it, why not explore the possibility. Such openly public rhetoric on this issue among conservative evangelicals who all agree that alternate lifestyles are sinful, only serves to codify the real or perceived divisions that exist in Christendom and gives a great amount of fodder for unbelievers and for liberal Christians.
Unfortunately, people such as Dr. Mohler, because of their leadership positions, are often held to a much higher standard and folks tend to hang on every word they say, even if the words are done in a format of "thinking out loud," such as a blog. Perhaps all of us, including Dr. Mohler's critic would be wise to revisit the old adage "think before you speak."
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Re: Whatever Happened to Sin? ...One Christian Leader Suggests: it Could be in
| Posted On: 03/20/07 09:08:20 AM |
Age 40, IN |
I'm not sure what the firestorm is all about. To my understanding, all of creation is fallen and under a curse. Could it not be that in our fallen flesh a "gay gene" may develop - like pre-disposition to cancer, etc... What about "the sins of the fathers..."
There is a clear distinction in scripture for believers between the fallen flesh of the old man and the "new man".
In my view, even if people are born with a "gay gene", God's Word does not cease to be true. We all have to set aside our sinful nature in the process of sanctification - and that's always uncomfortable and it costs us the desires of our flesh.
The Truth never changes, but sinful man and our bodies, fallen and sinful? They certainly can change, but the Word of the Lord stands forever.
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