Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/15/07 11:14:26 AM |
Age 50, OH |
Charley, if you really want to know why "the atheists are winning" all one needs to do is to read your article and then read the feedback here. Jesus himself railed against the Pharisees because of their literal and inflexible interpretations of Torah and scripture. And that is just what we are seeing here.
I once asked a rabbi if he believed that Job was a real historical person. To which he responded,"does it matter?". Are the lessons of Job any less true if Job was just a character in a story or not?
If your faith is dependent on the literal, factual and historical truth of every single word of an english translation of scripture then you have bigger problems than the Athiests. As I read this article and his insistance on scripture I almost got the sense that he worships the Bible itself more than the lessons it teaches. It's not what it says, it's what it means !
Literalist interpretation [without exception] is what the Pharisees did.(Remember Jesus and his followers in the field of grain ?).
If you think that Genesis contradicts evolution then it is almost a sure thing that you don't understand Genesis. Genesis is not a book of science and was never intended to be.
Evolution is science. If you want to argue about evolution, do it in science class and do it with scientific arguments. Don't bring the Bible or scripture into it. The bible says nothing about evolution either way.
I'm sorry for you Charley. I really am. After readong everything that Jesus taught, you still became a Pharisee. I don't know where you went wrong.
Next time you read a story from the Bible, read the whole story or section. Focus on what it means and don't focus so much on what it literally says. Remember that ti is a translation. The english words are just approximations of the originals.(reading the greek or Hebrew is even more hopeless.Our understanding of the orginal words are also approximations).
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| Posted On: 03/15/07 03:58:13 PM | | Age 45, AR |
Actually, given your premise, you cannot know whether Charley is acting like a Pharisee or if Jesus railed against the Pharisees because of their interpretive methodology because Scripture cannot be objectively understood, in English or in the original languages. Thus, you can never know Scripture, you can only know your own thoughts about Scripture. Therefor, you do not have the slightest idea what Genesis, Jesus, or the Pharisees mean. You tell us that Scripture cannot be objectively understood, and then you claim to give us an objective explaination of Scripture. Pretty sloppy reasoning, don't you think?
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| Posted On: 03/16/07 11:55:31 AM | | Age 50, OH |
Addendum - Allow me to give you an example. Supose you were to read the french phrase "Quel nave!". What does it say literally ? (nonsensical, isn't it). But by reading it in context, you could infer its meaning. That's what I mean by not interpreting or reading the Bible literally. But, that does NOT mean that one cannot understand it objectively. Heck, I wrote about interpreting literally very clearly in modern english, yet you managed to completely misunderstand it. Perhaps you applied your own personal agenda to it. Either way,it is certain that you don't seem able to read objectively. Hopefully you are not involved in reading and interpreting scripture.
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| Posted On: 03/16/07 11:42:00 AM | | Age 50, OH |
I never said that "scripture cannot be objectively understood" you did. I said that it should not be "literally" understood. Taking something "literally" vs understnading something "objectively" are 2 very different premises. Anyone who fluently speaks or read a foriegn language understands this very well (much more so with a dead foreign language). Very sloppy reading on your part, would you not agree ?
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| Posted On: 03/16/07 05:58:23 PM | | Age 45, AR |
No, I read you correctly, its just no fun being caught in a self-refutation. To interpret any language or writing objectively is to interpret it for what it means, as intended by the author, governed by the laws of construction, grammar, etc.... Webster defines "literal" as "adhering to fact or to the ordinary construction or primary meaning of a term or expression." And, "literal" is what you oppose. And I understand. You have to be free even if it means destroying God, his word and the rules of construction and interpretation. As Nietzsche said, we still have not gotten rid of God so long as the rules of grammar are applied. But, do not let me stop you from your pursuit of trying to make reality conform to your mind. You will have to excuse me from coming along for the ride.
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/13/07 08:45:59 AM |
Age 55, NY |
Yay we are winning.Your god is not real. Quit demonizing people in his name.There are people different than you who deserve the same rights as you.Live your own life.Neither you, your god nor the government control my body.Hands off.
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| Posted On: 03/14/07 10:51:50 AM | | Age 45, AR |
However, given your atheism, why all the moral complaining? On your view of things, either all is predicated on chance and thus indetermined. Or, all is materiallistically determined. Either way, no one is morally accountable for putting their hands on you. Your moral complaints only make sense if we are accountable to a divine lawgiver outside of ourselves. But, this is inconsistent with your atheism. Atheism is not, cannot win because atheism cannot make sense of issues as simple as moral complaints.
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/12/07 08:39:49 PM |
Age 19, VA |
See the problem is....It's the ignorance of many 'christians' with regards to christianity that keeps the Atheist numbers lower than they are. let me explain...
It was knowledge of everything that the bible and the christian faith purported that drove me away from christianity. If you ever wondered why so many historical figures called christianity absolutely ludicrous and predicted its imminent demise, just read the old testament. Christian leaders new that as the populous got smarter and more compassionate, they would lose their power as soon as the masses came to grips with christianity. So they dumb it down, keep people as sheep, and continue to hold their power.
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| Posted On: 03/14/07 10:55:57 AM | | Age 45, AR |
Interesting thesis. But, to be true, it must account for all cases. Thus, if there exists one intelligent Christian who receives no power dividend from Christianity, your thesis fails.
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If the Atheists are Winning . . .
| Posted On: 03/07/07 10:08:54 PM |
Age 47, MO |
It is because too many of my fellow Christians are NOT on their knees praying, are NOT on their feet evangelizing and voting, but ARE on their "left behinds" waiting for the Rapture.
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/07/07 04:14:13 PM |
Age 44, NY |
I couldn't disagree with you more.
God wins.
There is nothing you or I could do to prevent the Father from winning.
What you see as a failure of the church is actually part of God's plan. Does that mean we are to give up? No! Fight on, fight hard! Do not expect to make a difference however. God always wins. There is no doubt in my mind that it is a sin to call something God has predetermined for this world to happen as a losing battle. The call is to purify the church and be rid of the dead weight. Some seed was sown into rocky soil, some into thorns and some along the path. ONLY the seed which was sown into the good deep fertile soil stood a chance from the beginning. Can a stalk of corn hoe the ground from which it sprang?
The atheist can think they are winning all they want. Truth be told, they even appear in the foolish wisdom of man to be gaining on God... Do you see how stupid that sounds? The foolishness of God is for me. Let them win this old rust bucket of a planet, my home is elsewhere.
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| Posted On: 03/07/07 08:39:13 PM | | Age 47, MN |
Of course you are correct...God WILL win in the end. It's the immediate future into which we are sending our children that is the point of the article. It's the ever-downward spiral of our society as we move farther and farther from God.
But our final hope is certainly not in the US of A ...but in the only hope for all mankind, our Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ!
Charley
P.S. To all who have posted feedback...thank you for the kind words. It is most appreciated here on my inaugural article!
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/07/07 11:36:41 AM |
Age 30, MO |
This "win-lose" paradigm does not make sense to me, principally because atheists do not see this as a game. Indeed, you would think that atheists would be utterly disinterested in competing for a soul that they didn't think existed anyway. It seems that theists like to imagine the atheist as some sort of spiritual enemy: it's the ultimate straw man because the atheist is not even engaged in the debate, not even slightly interested in it. There is no debate, only the illusion of a debate.
Food for thought.
HJ hjhop.blogspot.com
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| Posted On: 03/08/07 02:20:53 AM | | Age 41, TX |
Please, do not think for a moment that there is "no debate" between atheists and Christians. Visit any Creation or Evolutionism-based videos on Google or YouTube. Whatever video being presented takes a back seat compared to what actual debates are held between those whose faith is in the Lord, and those whose "faith" is with science. Unfortunately, the atheists outnumber the Christian defenders, and do their best to "unprogram" Christians of what we know as Truth. To those that are new in the faith, these cyber-battlefields do their part in ripping out good seeds planted that are finally breaking through the worldly surface to see the Son, at last. These sites are the thorns that can choke a faithful plant, and cause doubt and disbelief to spread over the sprouting Christian with the deadly fungus known as "antichrist." If you are concerned about the Lost, and the Babes in Christ, please visit these sites and take your place as a soldier for Christ. You may not have time to go out and witness, properly, or to go out and open-air preach, but these cyber-battlefields are as real as the sidewalks outside of your home. If you're after revilement, real mental persecution, and people hating you in the Matchless Name of Jesus, you can do it from the comfort of your home or office. Of course, the best way to witness is face-to-face with the Lost, but if you want to practice in private for the real world of these unbelievers' hearts, these fields are waiting for you, right now.
Again, do not kid yourself that there isn't a debate between atheists and true Christians. It's online, 24 hours a day.
If you can hold your own in defending your faith, prove it. Don't give lip-service to God, don't read these columns and file them away somewhere in your PC, and don't leave the battle to someone else. Don your Helmet of Salvation and sharpen your Sword of the Spirit, and hit the frontlines.
Now!
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| Posted On: 03/08/07 01:23:54 PM | | Age 30, MO |
"Please, do not think for a moment that there is 'no debate' between atheists and Christians. Visit any Creation or Evolutionism-based videos on Google or YouTube. Whatever video being presented takes a back seat compared to what actual debates are held between those whose faith is in the Lord, and those whose 'faith' is with science."
The debate is not evolution vs. creationsim, per se. A creationist is simply not interested in evolution: they believe that it has nothing to do with their experience of the world. The evolutionist thinks that the literal reading of the amalgamated and occasionally contradictory creation stories of an ancient nomadic tribe has nothing to do with current observation and lab work. Usually the debate is not about evolution/creationism, but about social policy. To say that science is a 'faith' religion is, again, another false comparison. Science is a method of discovery. And sometimes the discoveries have turned out to be contrary to religious traditions, and despite the enormous weight and authority of tradition, eventually you will find that, if you want to understand the world, you might have to revise your methods of religous interpretation. At some point, all literal creationists had to revise their understanding of the Bible, I suspect, because you can't simultaneously believe that the 2 creation stories (one in which man is created before the animals, the other when man is created after the animals) can be true at the same time. Together, however, they suggest that the world was created, that there was a creator, and THAT story accomodates both versions. But numerous scientists who also happen to be religious have looked at the biblical tradition and CRUSHINGLY OVERWHELMING scientific evidence and have similarly decided that the two don't have to be contradictory. There can be a creator AND a process of evolution. You might have to revise your understanding of the literal understanding of the bible for a more metaphorical understanding (for instance, "fiat lux" may correspond to a big bang). And so on. A common misconception, actually, is that evolution seeks to explain the origin of the universe. Evolution only has to do with life once it got started. Supernatural concerns are beyond the scope of natural science. As for belief, scientific principles operate whether I believe in them or not. In the end, you'll have to make up your own whether you want critical, evidence-based thinking about the world to inform your understanding or belief, which is emotionally-based thought. (I wonder if the person who responded to my post realized that at some point, their emootions took over their argument?) Quite frankly, the universe does not care how I feel about it. Peace. HJ hjhop.blogspot.com
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| Posted On: 03/08/07 08:30:20 PM | | Age 67, PA |
Just a note. There is absolutely no "overwhelming" evidence to support evolution. On the other hand there is irrefutible evidence proving the evolutionary theory as credible as the king in the fable "The King who wore no Clothes" who was convinced by fearful and deceptive underlings that he was wearing a beautiful set of kingly apparal when in reality he was wearing nothing. The theory of evolution is supported by nothing. Much of the support is suggested but never proven. Some of the contributers to how things changed over a long period of time, have admitted their shameful lies, but the lies are still presented in biology textbooks as evidence for evolution! Even Darwin claimed that if an essential complexed organic structure of a living body was found unable to exist in a less complexed state, his theory would be utterly destroyed. Well, MANY have been found!
But the liers continue to tell the king, "You are abundantly and magnificantly clothed" until the pure in heart "little child" proved them wrong. You can decieve someone who has an agenda and wants to be deceived such as one who states that a six day creation is somehow unimportant to the doctrine of original sin and salvation. What is your agenda? In the most recent advanced scientific studies ever - worldwide in scope - evidence points to a creator. The Bible says it. Scientists observe it. Finished!
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| Posted On: 03/09/07 09:35:09 AM | | Age 30, MO |
"There is absolutely no 'overwhelming' evidence to support evolution." Whether you believe it or not, there is not a single confirmed observation in the natural world that contradicts evolution. Evolution as a scientific principle is the best fit for BILLIONS of observations.
"The theory of evolution is supported by nothing"
I would submit that to prove this point, you would have to show exactly why each of those billions of observations is not explained by evolution. And you'll have to do better than "evolution doesn't exist".
"Even Darwin claimed that if an essential complexed organic structure of a living body was found unable to exist in a less complexed state, his theory would be utterly destroyed. Well, MANY have been found!" Evolution happened regardless of whether or not Darwin ever said this, and I'm not convinced that he did. After all, Darwin described a process that was already happening. Nonetheless, I believe that you are referring to the principle of "irreducible complexity" that is put forward by Behe, who is not a peer-reviewed published scientist. He talks about the flagellum of a certain microbe that would not work if a single molecule were missing from it. He says: "Aha! That's the proof! No way could that exist in a more primative state." Except that all of the component molecules of that flagellum have been found to exist elsewhere in nature, and are in fact really common. It's no stretch to saee that incrimentally, over millions and millions of years (the type of time span men are not equipped to have a sense of), ever so slightly better flagella evolved that gave the ancestors of the current microbe the most slight advantage in terms of survival and reproduction. "In the most recent advanced scientific studies ever - worldwide in scope - evidence points to a creator. The Bible says it. Scientists observe it." Please tell me which studies you are referring to. I have access to the most complete online biology research database in the world. Please, tell me who debunked it, and I'll tell you what published, peer-reviewed biologists have said. If you are really interested in the actual origins, you have to at least look at the scientific literature, just as if you were interested in astronomy you'd have to look at the astronomy journals.
My agenda is this: I want you to believe whatever makes you happy. Really. I want you to be happy. I don't want your personal search for happiness to influence the content of science classrooms.
Just insisting that evolution is not true does not make it false. Ask me who I believe, billions of confirmed observations or the contradictory creation stories of a 5000 year-old nomadic tribe, and I'll go with the observations every time. Twice on Sundays. Peace. HJ hjhop.blogspot.com
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| Posted On: 03/09/07 05:01:04 PM | | Age 41, TX |
Additionally, hjhop.blogspot.com, is not a Christian site, in the slightest. We are not even dealing with a Weak Christian/False Convert in this forum, but another antichrist, and obviously, proud of it. Re-read his words and discover where his heart truly is. Pray for it to be unhardened, and to discover what Truth really is.
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| Posted On: 03/09/07 04:53:04 PM | | Age 41, TX |
This, folks, is what I am talking about.
Imagine this going on, all day and all night.
Real science is wonderful, misapplied and biased science is costing the Smarter Than Thou and some "Christians" their souls. And when you have "Christians" supporting the Gap Theory or Creation with Evolutionism, and not the inerrant truth of the Bible, it's even worse. [Romans 1:21-23]...(21)Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (22)Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (23)And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."
And I have to add: [Matthew 7:21-23]..."(21)Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (22)Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (23)And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." There will be MILLIONS of "Christians" who meet Christ on Judgment Day, only to be cast into hell, unknown to the Lord. These are the False Converts. Make sure that you are not one of these, as you cannot put your trust in both an unchanging God Almighty and the forever changing world of science.
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| Posted On: 03/09/07 08:01:45 PM | | Age 30, MO |
Thank you for visiting my site. I never said I was a Christian, but an Antichrist? I have more religious education packed into my 30 years than most people have in a lifetime of churching. I have never NOT been in a religious school, including now. I know what I am talking about, usually. And if I don't, I'll admit it happily; it means I'm learning something. If you want to wrestle with me, if you are truly interested in engaging my ideas with your own to try to hash out some sort of consensus, then, fine. The Internet is great for that. But please respond to the points raised in my posts. I think that a lot of people can’t see the forest for the trees when they read the Bible. The moral of the Bible is “It’s not nice to nail people to trees.” You seem to think that the moral is “Don’t nail well-connected people to trees.” That is dangerous. But good ol’ fashioned hell-fire preaching. Never got enough of that as a Catholic. At the same time, your understanding of science is perplexing. Science does not change, or at least the rules of nature don’t. Perhaps our conclusions do as we get better instruments and more information (we call that progress), but the natural world plods along regardless or not of whether we figure out what is making it tick. After a time, evidence accumulates enough where we can say “This is a law of nature.” Evolution has gotten to that stage. You know, if you could prove ONE SINGLE instance where evolution was proved wrong, you’d get the Nobel Prize. Heck, they’d name the prize after you, because you would have radically changed our understanding of the life sciences. I do not understand why you refer to “Smarter Than Thou”s derisively. Why do you insist on being anti-intellectual? What do you have against critical thinking? Does it make things easier? I’ll never understand that. To conclude, show me your evidence for creation. I want to be proven wrong. Did Noah carry every deadly infectious pathogen on the Ark? If so, how did the people on the Ark survive, because there were more plagues than people on that boat? If not, where did they come from? Why are all the marsupials on one continent? Is that where Noah dropped them off? You have benefited from the fruits of our understanding of evolution. Flu vaccines are based on the assumption that the flu virus changes in predictable ways. New forms of antibiotic resistant bacteria have evolved since we started using antibiotics. Evolution. Goofy looking dog breeds: evolution did that! If you are really serious about the no evolution, ever, theory. The next time you have surgery, ask the doctor to not sterilize the knife. Then take his prescribed antibiotics for half the time he recommends. Then let the infection flare back up and take half of them again. Keep on the same meds the whole time, but only take half the dose. Finally after 4 or 5 cycles (if you last that long), take the full course of the same drugs tell me what happens—do you kick the bug? If you are still alive in a year, I’ll drive you to church every Sunday for the rest of your miraculous life. Good luck! HJ hjhop.blogspot.com
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| Posted On: 03/11/07 01:34:45 AM | | Age 41, TX |
Apparently, it's just you and me at this post. I'm glad that you have an education in Catholicism, albeit, not Christianity. See if you remember these...The Biblical definition of "antichrist," not the popularist "Left Behind-rubbish Antichrist" viewpoint, is: 1 John 2:18: "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."...1 John 2:22: "Who is a liar but he that DENIETH that Jesus is the Christ? HE is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."...1 John 4:3: "And EVERY spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and THIS is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and EVEN NOW ALREADY is it in the world."...2 John 1:7: "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. THIS is a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST." As far as "You seem to think that the moral is “Don’t nail well-connected people to trees.” That is dangerous," seeming to think what I think is one of your problems. (Were you cursing in these symbolic characters?) Don't take this as attacking you, please. And deadly infectious pathogens,as well as fish, were not instructed to be brought aboard the ark...Genesis 6:19: "You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive." In Genesis 7:2, "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth." It [seems] you don't think God would protect those He's chosen to protect from harmful lifeforms of any sort.
1 Corinthians 2:14: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 1:26-28 reads, "26/For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27/But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28/And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are" A six day creation, Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, Jonah and the whale, etc., are some of these things. I love science, and I love Truth. Sometimes science isn't always the Truth. True, there are many dog varieties, but they weren't created by evolution, they're just variations in the species, most physically bred by man to develop certain traits. They're still all DOGS. I used to be a religious-schooled atheist, and then a False Convert to Christ, and now I am a True Biblical Christian, not determined by a denomination, but by knowledge of the Law, my transgressions against it, my rebellion against wanting to change my lifestyles, and finally, a 180deg turn due to True Repentance, and putting my trust and faith in God's Word, being the sacrifice of Christ for me on the Roman cross, so that I wouldn't be found guilty and bound for hell, for sinning against God, on Judgment Day.
Debating is worthless (actually, it's a sin, too-2 Cor 12:20). Arguing is futile. Your conscience knows you're guilty. God is banging on your door, and you continue to ignore it. Hopefully, you'll acknowledge your current, and horrid, state of eternity and knock on His door, knowing He'll answer and you shall receive His gift of salvation (Matthew 7:7). Before your head hits your pillow, get right with God. +please+
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| Posted On: 03/07/07 08:33:16 AM |
Age 28, TX |
I'm printing this article to keep!
You know, this article being limelighted in the same e-mail as the one on church discipline puts me in mind of the issue of purity of the Church vs. the push for "inclusiveness."
The time has come for God to clean house again, I suspect. Many Emergent types--open and covert--are calling for a "Second Reformation." While what they're thinking of is a more "social" gospel, I can concur that we do need a Reformation of our hearts!
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/07/07 04:50:45 AM |
Age 37, TX |
I could not agree more. If we are going to have impact on this world as Christians, dads have to lead the charge.
I know in my own home, my wife and I started doing nightly devotions with the children at bed time and it is producing some amazing fruit. At ages 10 and 5 I was concerned they would be bored with the devotions. We overcome that boredom by acting out the stories, then having some discussion about how it applies in their lives. The kids love it and are disappointed if we miss one.
Men, learn how to be men in the example of Christ. Be servant leaders. I heard a message about male leadership and female submission a couple of years ago that asked a very tough question. Answering this question caused me to make some changes that has had an incredible impact on my family.
The question was: "Men, your wife is to submit to you, but are you the kind of man that makes her want to submit? Are you the servant leader that Christ is?"
Now, I ask the same question to myself daily.
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/06/07 10:29:39 PM |
Age 70, AL |
Why isn't this being taught in all the churches today?--it certainly is biblical!!
My church teaches dads to be godly and responsible in biblical truth (just as you have outlined) as were my children. My grandchildren and three great grand children are taught Bible verse memorization. Dads in my family know how to stand for the Lord--not just "talk" it, but live it.
Dads--please take a stand.
God bless you.
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| Posted On: 03/07/07 08:57:16 AM | | Age 42, NC |
It is being taught, but as platitudes without depth and meaning. Parents are generally apathetic, too busy with the day-to-day of living today rather than considering eternity. I daily bemoan the fact that I don't seem to have enough time to do all the things I would like to do (personally, with family, for church), but how much time does it really take to sit with your children and wife, open the bible and read God's word? Not much. And for the parent who complains that his children won't talk or share now that they are teens; the easiest remedy is to spend time talking and sharing when they are younger. It's preventative, builds trust and relationship and credibility.
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Re: The Atheists are Winning
| Posted On: 03/06/07 09:22:06 PM |
Age 47, SC |
What a great article! Charley, you have hit the nail on the head!! Every church-attending dad (and mom)needs to read this article. It's time for bonafide Christians to unashamedley stand up for what they believe!
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