Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 09:32:52 PM |
Age 56, FL |
It would have been helpful, for purposes of discussion, if Tony Campolo's critic had defined the term "capitalism" and then provided substantiation from the Bible sustaining the rightness of "capitalism" so defined. Alas, he did not, which both weakens his arguments against Campolo and makes his arguments nothing more than political rhetoric.
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 07:27:27 PM |
Age 50, VA |
Dear brother Noebel,
While I agree with the content of your article, I have to say I was disappointed in it. I was hoping for something that would be suitable for passing on to someone who is on the fence about Campolo. I know, if you are on the fence you have a problem! Be that as it may, still, I would like to help this person get clear on the matter, and I didn't find any help in your article.
Frankly, brother, your article comes across more as a rant (but a great rant!) than as a careful and balanced analysis. It's fine for preaching to the choir, but it's just NOT going to work for helping those who are less discerning to see the truth about Campolo. He's a very powerful speaker and often says a lot of good things. (Hmmm. Something about angels of light?)
Also, there are too many rabbit trails. While the connections do support the contention that Campolo is dangerous, if the intent of the article was to help expose Campolo to those who are on the fence or inclined to think favorably of him, I think you missed the mark. If you are going to reach people who don't know of his evil doctrines, you are going to have to be more methodical about it.
In Him,
Mark van der Hoek
Virginia
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 07:01:25 PM |
Age 41, TX |
Since Richard Land and Rick Warren were invited to join the Council of Foreign Relations, it seems Tony Campolo is giving it his best shot, too. Next, we'll see Joel Osteen waiting for a nomination to the CFR, too.
These wolves in sheep's clothing need to be undressed and exposed for who they really are. It's amazing that even false converts can't recognize their deceitfulness and blatant disregard for contextual meanings.
Perhaps today, Lord?
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 07:00:44 PM |
Age 59, LA |
The challenge we all face is how we should live out our life, fulfilling the commission to love our God above all others, and love our neighbors as ourself. There are no easy answers, and we must always question ourselves as to how our actions praise God, and express love for others. We should view all human action, all human politics, through the lens of Christianity. Anyone who takes positions as radical and close minded as this author has raised his politics (extreme capitalism, in this case) to the level of idolatry. There is a world of difference between antidemocratic communists and the mild liberalism that runs through the democratic countries that always seem to come out ahead of the United States in quality of life surveys (Norway, Iceland, Australia, Ireland, Sweden, Canada and Japan all led the U.S. in the 2006 survey). Noebel should take off his blinkers, put away his biases, and ask how what actions - conservative or liberal, left wing or right - will best comfort the sick, feed the poor, and demonstrate to the world the boundless love of Christ.
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/02/07 11:09:40 PM | | Age 41, VA |
Socialists worship and rely upon the state but that false god will be put down in God's good time. It will be interesting to see Europe in 50 to 75 years after the Muslims have taken over those weak, decadent AND anti-Christian socialist societies. I wonder how Europe will rank in "quality of life" issues then? God never allows rebellion and wickedness of any kind to unpunished forever no matter which end of the political spectrum you choose to swing from.
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| Posted On: 03/01/07 11:23:33 PM | | Age 18, NC |
Amen, brother!
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 06:52:52 PM |
Age 57, TN |
Amazing and informative...I had heard about the "red letter" people and had wondered who they were and what they believed. This article has been most helpful. I remember Tony as a young pastor 30 years ago..goes to show ya..we can all be deceived. We all must be alert, watch, and pray!
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 06:28:00 PM |
Age 73, MN |
The sad thing about people like this is that they cannot grasp logic. They do not understand the fact that Jesus is and was who He said He was. If He wasn't then there is no point in even looking at the Bible. But the fact is that the Bible is the thing that shows us who He is. And when they want to destroy the teaching of the Bible, they also want to destroy Christ. Reading articles like this makes me mutter things like: "What are they using for brains?" "Are they so blind that they cannot see that their methods and ideas have already failed?" You can't argue with them, and you can't convince them. All you can do as a Christian is pray that the Holy Spirit will show people the truth, and be prepared to follow His leading when the opportunity comes to demonstrate that truth. And I cannot convince them--only the Holy Spirit can do that.
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 03:43:44 PM |
Age 85, NC |
I did not know these things about Campolo, but I am not the least bit surprised. I first heard about his liberalism when he conducted a siminar at a Cooperarive Baptist Convention in Charlotte a little more than a year ago during which he conducted an 'Open-Theism' seminar which was intended to contradict much of the devinity of Christ, making him into just another man.
To the extent that this article and others to follow will de-throne him and his ilk is my fervent hope. My own church has too many at this time who seem to be of like mind which needs a little come-uppance.
Please keep up the good work. I will be praying for your success.....
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 03:41:39 PM |
Age 19, VA |
How terrible, someone trying to help the poor. Surely we must discredit him and continue to make those poor poorer rather than increasing that evil equality
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 09:59:10 PM | | Age 46, AR |
Dear Age 19, your sarcasm falls short of good satire. Mr. Noebel clearly is not in opposition to helping the poor. His entire point is that the Socialistic solutions of Campolo and friends don't work, and indeed, harm the poor.
K Jordan. Conway, AR
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 08:49:18 PM | | Age 60, PA |
There is nothing in this article against having compassion for the poor. BUT, what examples of personal true friendship toward a down-and-outer does Campolo site? Has HE housed and paid tuition for a poor young person? Has HE fed, clothed, paid for a stranger's care as the Good Samaritan did? Or is every "good deed" done through an organization, and with a personal "motive"? Few liberals get their own hands dirty for very long.
Jesus taught that we are to be servants, and we are to be known by our great love for one another.
Young Man, get busy doing the work of the Kingdom, and let Jesus use and bless you!
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 08:31:10 PM | | Age 46, MN |
I think you missed the point entirely. Maybe you should reread the entire article!
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 07:05:07 PM | | Age 49, TX |
I think any reasonable assessment of what Campolo is trying to do goes way beyond just helping the poor. There are many fundamental theological issues at stake - the inerrancy of the Scriptures, the diety of Jesus Christ, as well as several other very important items mentioned in this article. Besides, the Scriptures are very clear when it says "if a man doesn't work neither shall he eat". This idea of equality you state is nothing more than another way to spell welfare, and welfare incites slothfulness, and slothfulness is sin. Any fair review of Soviet Russia would conclude that its form of government did not encourage its populace to work. In fact it did just the opposite - and you still see its effects today.
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 06:49:15 PM | | Age 50, VA |
Spoken like a true leftist! Results mean nothing; good intentions are enough, and no criticism of RESULTS is allowed!
Aside from the fact that Campolo has aligned himself with ideas that are vehemently anti-God, the plain fact is that socialism/communism produces POVERTY and DEATH. Regardless of the purity of Campolo's motives, that WILL be the result if he gets his way. The poor will be MORE poor. WEll, except for those that are murdered by statist governments, which is exactly what Campolo is promoting.
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- Re: Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 06:45:06 PM | | Age 18, FL |
Hey Dude, you missed the entire point of the article. I am not surprised because liberals like you can never see the "forest for the trees". I am sad for you that you are being deceived by men like Campolo.
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Re: Tony Campolo: The Marxist Delusion and a Christian Evangelist
| Posted On: 03/01/07 02:24:00 PM |
Age 31, MN |
Dr. Noebel,
Alll I can say is "WOW"! This was an excellent and informative expose on the Religious Left and their methods/goals. Thanks for this important article.
Blessings,
Jason Carlson
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