Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/08/07 05:28:43 PM |
Age 56, MN |
It is getting beyond ridiculous when scripture is being twisted so out of whack, even GOD (if he DID not know what he orignially meant ) would be confused.
Where is CHRISTIAN discernment, when it comes to understanding the word today?
How can so many MISUNDERSTAND the word, YET claim to be saved.
Reading the word thru the HOLY SPIRIT, instead of thru FLESHLY intellect, soon clears up what the LORD meant in the text.
Not going any further but to say,
IF we are told to JUDGE not, we are in big TROUBLE.
DID GOD give us discernment so we could NOT have the POWER to JUDGE?
In order to KNOW right from WRONG< one needs to be able to JUDGE it FIRST.
END of topic.
IF you cant judge correctly, you need to do a SALVATION check.
KNOWING right from WRONG takes the ability to JUDGE it. NOW JUDGE that, if you can.
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Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/08/07 03:34:09 PM |
Age 60, MO |
In this day and age of moral degeneration, people are more and more calling right "wrong," and wrong "right." More and more, any one who dares to say wrong is "wrong" is painted as "mean." For instance, if you say homosexuality is wrong, you are accused of being part of a hate group, or accused of being biased.
If it continues, there will be no right and wrong defined. There may still be laws in place -- for even agnostics recognize the necessity of the rule of law in society -- but there will be no morality. Because, according to those who are headed in this direction, any declaration of right and wrong is immediately biased. It discriminates against someone. Is seeing a wrong, and calling it "wrong," JUDGING? Is that what Jesus said NOT to do, when He told us, "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged."?
If Jesus meant we should never make moral judgments as to what is right and what is wrong, then where does that leave us? How could we be able to pray for someone who is going astray, when we aren't even allowed to think they are going astray. Conviction of sin would be wrong; because, if we are to be morally callous as to right and wrong, we must no longer have any conviction as to right and wrong in ourselves, or others. Discerning the difference between true and false doctrine must also cease, for that too would be judging. Thus, we must adopt an "anything goes" attitude towards Christian teaching. To question it would be "judging."
The fact is, Christians ARE to discern between right and wrong. But we aren't "to judge." Jesus said to obey both of those principles. How do we reconcile the two? The writer of Hebrews made it clear that we are to discern: "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." (Heb. 5:14)
Mature Christians do not walk around with a big magnifying glass trying to figure out everyone else. They do not hold up a little list of rules and laws and try to see whether everyone else is living up to their standard. No. Mature Christians have all of that kind of self-righteous attitude crucified out of them. Their focus is upon Christ. And while a focus on Christ does make us sensitive to sin, both in ourselves and in others, this sensitivity is of a completely different source than judging. It is centered in the interests of Jesus
Christ in other people, not in our own pride.
So all of this should tell us -- not only how we ought to answer those who would say we are judging -- but it should also tell us to beware lest we do judge. Thus, we should be fully able to say, "President Clinton disgraced the presidency. What he did was wrong." But we cannot say, "Clinton is going to hell for what he did." Likewise, we should be able to say, "Such
and such is someone who is teaching error." But we must not say, "This teacher has no salvation because of what they are teaching."
The words we use are important, but the motive and attitude which produce the words are what God really looks at. We must never JUDGE. But if we know Jesus Christ, we are going to DISCERN.
George Cancilla
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- Re: Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/10/07 02:21:40 AM | | Age 37, CA |
Very well Put. That was excellent and echoed my beliefs exactly. Thanks for your insight.
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Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/08/07 07:26:20 AM |
Age 67, TX |
Motives and a person's intent cuts to the heart of Christianity. We all sin. Let me say that again, "We all sin". Error should be confronted and corrected but we should realize that my sin is easy to rationalize in my own eyes. There may be times when one on one correction and restoration are applicable. However, I can see where this may not be possible where leaders that are "out front", so to speak, and in positions of authority, having taken a position of error and made these ideas public. If a false statement is written that is contrary to God's Word and it is open to spiritual judgment. Does it line up with what the Bible says? Again, what about motives. Hopefully we have a motive of love in restoring a brother or sister in Christ.
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- Re: Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/08/07 12:53:17 PM | | Age 59, MO |
But, in a way then, we are to judge another;else, how would we know if they are in error? As a brother has said,'I WILL judge you and I expect YOU to judge me. Do you not care enough for my soul that you would point out my sin?
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Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/08/07 05:47:31 AM |
Age 80, MD |
Excellent corrective to the common cry not to Judge.
Additionally the verse says once you have removed the plank from your own eye then you can judge.
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Re: Defining the Believers Biblical Call to Judge Part 1
| Posted On: 02/08/07 05:42:15 AM |
Age 47, MI |
A well done and very astute interpretation of the judgment passages. Judgment and confrontation in love and truth with the restoration of the person always in the forefront of our efforts.
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