Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 02/18/07 09:25:54 PM |
Age 47, NC |
I totally agree with your article. I am the Headmaster at a Christian School and it is very difficult to train students to think and act from a Biblical perspective when so many parents do not think from a Biblical perspective. Some days I feel like we are fighting a losing battle! I believe with all my heart that the Christian School is the best hope available for training students to think like Christ..and when the family, the church and the school work hand in hand making a "triple braided cord" in the life of a child it makes a tremendous difference when that child goes to a secular college for their faith is grounded on the Word of God!
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/30/07 02:13:27 PM |
Age 42, IL |
No time right now to respond to the whole article, but you have hit the nail on the head, and what you write with regard to the things parents and their children make time for particularly resonates with me. I am a youth pastor, and a few years ago, a parent asked me what I thought of the Harry Potter books. I told her what I told a parent who had a few years before expressed concern about Pokemon: "I think the greater threat in this town is football."
Not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with football. And not that there's NOT something wrong with Pokemon and Harry Potter. It's just that this is a sports-crazy town, and the Christian kid who wouldn't dare miss a morning practice can't be bothered to get out of bed a half-hour early for Bible Club. And he won't think twice about skipping church for an awards banquet or pep rally. And the parents don't think twice about letting him. Or her.
On the bright side, we, as a church and as a youth group, DO hit worldview pretty hard, and the kids, hard as I step on their toes, keep coming back. We are one of the only youth groups I know of who always have more kids at a service than at an activity.
Keep up the good work.
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/30/07 06:17:56 AM |
Age 47, MI |
I think comparing the Church in America to...
"Jesus warning in Revelation 3:16 should be ringing in our collective ears: So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth (HCSB)".
Give the Church in America an even higher rating than it deserves. I don't even think any are that warm. I might dare say we are past the warning of being spit out. There is a remnant I'm sure all due to the mercies of God. I think it all may need to be torn down and rebuilt, get rid of the hay. wood and stubble, and start building again on the sure Foundation, starting with faith, and to faith add virtue, and to virtue add knowledge...
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/29/07 10:07:22 AM |
Age 45, TX |
Ok, I think we all agree with the article. Now where do I find a church that teaches and preaches these values we endorse. I have visited with my pastor, our education minister and our youth minister all to no avail. The pastor was not interested, the ed. min. said it was just my opinion and the youth min. accused me of attacking his ministry. But it's not just our church. My daughters have attended other church youth groups in town and the story is the same at those churches. At our church and the others the teens spend more time just "hanging out" and being entertained. All of these churches have "youth rooms" where the teens are seperated from the rest of the church. My daughters have reported spending more time playing video games, pool, cards and watching movies than studing God's word at the so-called Bible Studies. They are to the point where they see no need in going. One night I questioned my as to why she was not bringing her bible to the bible study, she said because we don't use them. She said at most they may have a 5 - 10 minute devotional. My wife and I are exasperated at the apathy of our ministerial staff. So many members of our church who have youth aged children are leaving looking for a church that is supportive of their efforts at building biblical truths into their children. Thanks
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- Where do find a church that teaches a biblical workdview
| Posted On: 03/02/07 01:59:23 PM | | Age 52, NY |
I don't know how much searching you have done but I have found that generally the larger churches seem to be seeker friendly. The membership at the independent fundatmental Baptist Church where I attend is approximatley 45. We fellowship with other churches of like belief and doctrine and they are also very small. We have had to drop fellowship with fast growing churches because they grow fast only because they deviate from Biblical doctrine in order to attract worldly people. As I search scripture I am always reminded that where the crowd is, Jesus isn't.
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/28/07 09:45:22 PM |
Age 61, KY |
For 23+ years I have known this. I shared with my two youngest children the dangers of a 'socialist/Christian college'.
Students are required to sign-up for brainwashing classes to get their degree! Females leave a Christian home for college only to come home with a lesbian lover.
While attending public school, were channeled into a socialistic life. Cannot 'upset the applecart' - as the old saying goes. We cant be a square peg in a round hole.
NO dorms!
Stay in Christian homes near school areas. I encouraged Tech Schools - attention is on learning a specialty. Bill Gothard (Institute of Basic Life Principles) enhances the student working side-by-side with a professional on-hands experience. They pass state boards!
Patty J. - 61
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/27/07 11:20:38 PM |
Age 63, OR |
God's Word is clear in that until sinners REPENT of their sins, there is no forgiveness. There lies the problem with the socialist liberal American church which is apostate to Biblical Christianity. Not only is there no repentance being preached from the pulpit, there are many professed believers who wallow in guilt over past sins. This essentially means that those in this state are rejecting what Jesus did on the cross because it is by the washing of our sins (all of them) with Jesus' blood that we are forgiven and God no longer sees us as sinners but as joint hiers to His throne and His adopted children through Christ Jesus.
Then there are few who prayerfully seek "spiritual discernment", because if believers have matured in Christ they'd realize where their apostate preachers and pastors are leading them into spiritual death.
Anything that distracts us from time with the Lord has become a little "idol" to us.
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/27/07 10:37:20 PM |
Age 41, NM |
Brannon, I agree with your article and that our churches are not preparing people for college...well, really we're not training people to be Christians. we don't teach thing like self-denial, counting the cost, separation from the world, holiness. Consequently we have a zillion people in our pews who think they are going to heaven when they die, but will be in for a rude awakening. As a pastor I can say "It's our fault." We have the most important message the world has ever known, but we'd rather entertain people. God help us to get right for all our sakes.
There is one thing I'd like to point though. In the article you state the number of people who do not have a biblical worldview, but you say that 83% of those who have attended a worldview weekend do have a biblical worldview. The point seems to be that the reason they have a biblical worldview, is that they went. I have not been, but am a 99% worldview thinker (that waas the first time a took the test). My children - before they went to wordview weekend were 85% worldview thinkers. Now they score higher.
The point I make is this: Many (if not most) of those who attend worldview weekend were biblically minded before they went. They went because they found an organization who would reinforce what they are already teaching their kids. So it's not like worldview weekend made these kids think biblically.
I am greatful and thankful for the tools I have used from worldview weekend and anticipate more great tools as well. God Bless
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- I beg to differ...
| Posted On: 01/29/07 08:05:04 PM | | Age 18, MN |
I would disagree with the statement that, "they found an organization who would reinforce what they are already teaching their kids." This is not always true, in fact, I do recall reading about someone who originally (this was a self-professing Christian) who ranked as a secular humanist. Later, after taking some courses on worldview, he took the test again and ranked as a Biblical Worldview thinker. I don't doubt that the statement quoted above has some merit, but I also doubt that it really is completely a whole picture. Here's one thing that WVW does that we all need to keep in mind. Many evangelical Christian kids know WHAT they believe, but they don't know WHY. I'm not saying your kids don't know why, I'm stating that WVW does equip the next generation to engage the culture. Parents are a vital role, that is no doubt, and you are a wonderful example of showing how your values and worldview. More power to you! Anyway, I do believe that WVW does play a vital role in one sense, because as stated, churches are not doing this enough (and not enough churches are doing it either). There are probably examples of people who have been challenged at WVW's and even more clear thinking (more biblically minded) after going to one. Then parents can use the materials that are made availible (most importantly, God's Word) and go into more depth at home. Anyway, have a great day and God Bless!
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Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/26/07 07:41:27 PM |
Age 56, OR |
I imagine that many of the people that will never read this article will be the members of the 'system' that brings down our civilization to the point of anihilation.
THEN GOD STEPS IN. Let's say we have 20 years left of some semblance of 'life as we know it'. What are we going to do with it?
Why go to college anyway? There are plenty of things to learn from God's creation and an awful lot of good books. Why 'get ahead' in this world? Why have TV, except for the occasional CHRISTIAN educational video for your Children. Why not just get a job if you are a man, or if a girl, learn the art of womanhood at home and pray for a mate with a job. Use your time wisely. God promises to prosper the worker, "in whatever he puts his hand to". Mothers, educate your children in the Way of the Lord.
Men, take charge of what the Lord has put in your hands. The time is short. Do not take out huge family-destroying loans. Be frugal. Live like Noah did and be prepared for ridicule. If you cannot find a church with a Biblical world-view, make one in your living room. I doubt the church in Acts had members whos kids JUST HAD TO HAVE BRACES! I doubt many have considered the result of an offshore neutrino blast by some terrorist group? Begin to THINK for yourselves. If we lose just a few satelites and the mainframes of our banking and phone systems... just imagine what would happen. Do you have ANY devices in your home that do not require an IC-chip? Even some toasters would not work. We are so surrounded by 'comforts' that we forget they are transitory. They are easy to lose. Imagine no Wall-Mart? No NFL. OK. So now I get some flak I suppose. But if we did live our lives eagerly awaiting the 'end' we would not be so hog-tied in its 'middle'. Suddenly, a good many things would become all-important. We would do some true living-in-the-present, rather than selling our current souls for a future myth that is God-less and vanishing.
We might begin to even have time to smell the roses, teach our kids, save sinners and reach Heaven with more talents that the Master gave us to begin with. Our kids are TREASURES, let us begin to NOT bring them up in a system that was designed to destroy their souls. (Please read the original Humanist Manifesto).
Now I presume, sadly, that some may refute this short message for some didactical, semantical, or hypothetical error. There are holes a mile wide in the 'mere logic' of what I have said. So please, I do understand.
But in such a short response, all I envision would take pages to write. My idea is to support the article with some probable scenerios that may help us to correctly understand the implications and gravity of "CODE BLUE". Thank you Sir for your fine article. PGW
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- Re: Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/30/07 10:53:31 AM | | Age 63, OH |
Dear brother, I agree with the cry of your heart but I think the real problem is much deeper; and I think you will agree from reading your previous posts. What we do should have nothing to do with time at all. The problem is that Christians are taking a temporal view of life. What we do should have nothing to do with time at all; if we have 1 hour or 1000 years before Christ's return should have nothing to do with our decisions. We should be doing everything that Jesus asks us to do and NOTHING that he does not ask us to do. There are not areas that are OK. Has Jesus told you to do it; then do it. If he has not told you to do it ; then don't do it. The enemy of good is what we deem OK. Lou
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- Re: Re: An Urgent Report! Code Blue: Churched Students and Families in Final Throes of Worldview Crisis
| Posted On: 01/27/07 09:56:07 AM | | Age 54, AL |
I think the earlier post was right on. Time is much shorter than we think. Going to college and seeking after knowlege isn't bad. Is is necessary? While we can't bury our lives in a hole, we can prepare for what is coming by letting go of the things that the world seeks after. Living simply. We are in the world but not of the world. Our lives should reflect this. Cling to God and learn from Him. He will meet all your needs and give you the desire of your heart. Wisdom and knowledge comes from Him.
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- As as young Christian college student....
| Posted On: 01/30/07 08:04:20 PM | | Age 18, MN |
...I feel that there are plenty of reasons to still go to college. One reason is that it is a great mission field (I'm at a secular college). Also, we don't know when Jesus will return. It could be in the next few minutes or a thousand years from now. We need to study the world (imperfect from our own rebellion) that God has placed us in and I believe that pursueing academic excellence is something Christians ought to do. So, there are reasons we should still get an education, though this doesn't mean that we shouldn't be prepared for what the world has to throw at us. That's one reason why groups like Worldview Weekend, Summmit Ministries, Answers in Genesis, Worldview Academy, etc. are around, because they want to think like Christians and to be able to engage the culture. Have a great day!!
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