Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 04/21/07 05:52:03 PM |
Age 34, TX |
If you go to Bishop TD Jakes website he has posted a page clearing up the false notion that he does not believe in the Trinity. Go to the Doctrinal Statement page and click on the link "What does Bishop Jakes have to say about our doctrinal statement". Other wise titled "Hearsay not Heresy"
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/29/07 04:56:33 PM |
Age 67, IN |
Totally agree. I appreciate your discernment and warning. I'll pass it on!
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/29/07 04:26:50 PM |
Age 57, TX |
I am sorry to have to say it, but in my view this article is reprehensible. It's one thing to disagree about doctrine and theology, even very strong disagree about very fundamental issues. However, such virulent personal attack as Ken Silva has used against another believer is without justification. I believe Jesus would call us to respectful discussion of these mysterious issues. We should never forget that His high priestly prayer for us in John 17 was that we be in unity, not that we be doctrinally or theologically correct. To be sure, accurate interpretation of Scripture is important, but not of first importance. At least, Jesus didn't seem to think so.
Whether T.D. Jakes is right or wrong in his theology, Silva owes him an unqualified apology for his unwarranted personal attack. I only hope he makes his apology as public as his attack.
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- Re: Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 02/01/07 06:33:04 PM | | Age 27, MD |
You state: "I believe Jesus would call us to respectful discussion of these mysterious issues. We should never forget that His high priestly prayer for us in John 17 was that we be in unity, not that we be doctrinally or theologically correct."
Please believe me that my intention with this comment is not to be mean spirited. But when I read this statement, the first thing that came to mind was 'won't the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses be glad to hear this!'
Because, if doctrinal and theological correctness are not necessary, but only unity, then what makes the difference whether someone denies the trinity, as long as they claim Christ? If it's unnecessary, why stop there? Why not embrace those who claim Christianity but deny that he is the only way?
Of course doctrinal and theological correctness are important! Vital, really. Because otherwise we are deceiving ourselves and everyone we witness to, and not telling them the truth about God. We should make it of the highest priority to study God's word and ask for His wisdom and understanding as we do so. We should be as the Bereans in Acts 17, examining the Scriptures every day to see if what we're being taught is true. If we find that something we thought was true is in fact false, we should be humble enough to admit it and conform our beliefs to the truth of scripture (*and* be willing to share that truth with others.)
"To the Jews who had believed him,Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."-Jn.8:31,32
If we hold to anything that is not doctrinally or theologically correct, then we are not holding to Jesus' teachings.
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth."-Jn.16:13a
"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and truth."-Jn.4:23,24
And finally:
"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth."-2Tim.2:15
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/26/07 07:24:00 PM |
Age 43, WI |
It may be time for cwn to once again "clean house" regarding columnists contributing to your site. Not only was the title inappropriae, the personel attack was hostile, there was no context for the debate,creating a fictional dialouge and then answering for your opponent may be classified as "cowardly". This is possibly the worst case of apologetics i have ever seen. Im not even sure I know what the author was trying to say.
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/26/07 12:34:49 PM |
Age 63, OH |
KEN;you quote Jakes as saying:One God, but manifest in...three different ways, Father in creation, Son in redemption, Holy Spirit in regeneration. Then you proceed to call him a heretic because he does not use the term Trinity or Triune God. You do not quote ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE to show why Jakes would be a heretic by saying what you claim he said. I have to say that your methods are the same methods used by the Catholics to try what they called "heretics". Even if someone believes what is true they can still make that doctrine an IDOL instead of worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ. We can look in Judges at the story of Gideon to see how people react when they defend an idol. They get angry when someone destroys or attacks their idol. The reason the worshipers of Baal got angry was their idol was destroyed and Gideon was still standing. This made it look like Baal was no god at all(which of course was true). This made the worshipers of Baal look foolish. So in order for them not to look foolish they wanted to kill Gideon so they could say "look what happens to people who burn Baal". Gideon's father reasoned with them and pointed out that it would not be Baal acting against Gideon but mere humans, which would only support that Baal could not act. So even these idol worshipers were able to see that if Baal was a real god then they would have to leave Baal judge an act against Gideon, if Baal could. So they said "Let Baal Contend with him", him being Gideon. Of course Baal being made out of wood was unable to contend with Gideon. So all the people knew that Baal was not god but the Lord was God. This story spread to the land of the Midianites and the fear of Gideon spread with it. You would be fearful of someone who destroyed your God. And you would start to fear their God. You seem to deal with Mr. Jakes with much anger. Are you defending an idol or God. We can point out the truth and leave someone decide for themselves without the judging of souls. I certainly don,t even listen to the preaching of TD Jakes but from what you charge I am not ready to cast him into hell. By the way to be honest the word Trinity or Triune NEVER appears in any translation that I have ever read. I am sure it never appears in the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures. Also they never once say that God is three. But Jesus does say when asked what was the most important commandment "HEAR O'ISRAEL THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE". So could not one argue that Jakes is correct on this point and you are the one that is incorrect. Lou
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/26/07 11:56:47 AM |
Age 43, FL |
I have not met Mr. Jakes to ask him myself; but, from your quote of Time magazine at the beginning of your article, he seems O.K..
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/26/07 12:33:15 AM |
Age 58, VA |
Should have read "Latter Rain" not "Latter Reign". The former, not the latter, is correct!
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/26/07 12:12:39 AM |
Age 58, VA |
God the Son, Jesus, is fully and completely God. God the Father is fully and completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully and completely God. Yet there is only one God. In Genesis 1:26, Then God said, Let us make man in our own image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds. In John 16:13-14, Jesus said of the Holy Spirit, He shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. And in John 8:16-18, Jesus said of Himself and the Father, And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me bears witness of me.
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/25/07 07:29:26 PM |
Age 68, MA |
Reading the feedback I see Ken is called mean spirited, a name caller, and "bitter towards T.d. Jakes." Hmmm. Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Why complain and then do the same thing ?
The knee jerk reaction to having one's idol knocked off his/her pedestal seems to be to attack the messenger.
Here's a little food for thought. Mt 23:27
" Woe to you,scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites ! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleaness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to men to men, but within you are full of hypocracy and iniquity."
That was the real Jesus, not the gentle fluffy imaginary Jesus people like to promote. Tell me, do Jesus' words above make Him a mean spirited, name calling, bitter towards the Pharisees Son of God ? Or how about these words ... "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? "
Gal 1:11 "But when Cephas came to Antioch I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned." Does that make Paul bitter toward Peter, and mean spirited ? God forbid we should confront problems head on and take care of them ! Time to stop defending our favorite preachers/ministers and focus on Jesus Christ. Read and believe His Words, that is life
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Re: T.D. Jakes Is A Spiritual Coward
| Posted On: 01/25/07 07:21:43 PM |
Age 58, VA |
For myself, I get tired of people saying, "that wasn't enough info." If it wasn't, why not study it our for yourself! To those of you who did not think Pastor Ken gave enough proof to support his beliefs, could it be that it is the responsibility of those that read these articles on the web to also search out for themselves more information on this or any other subject in order to be like the Bereans? If I hear something I put my faith in is "rocky", I am going to delve further into it myself to find out what the Bible actually says. -Just another tidbit to whet someone's appetite-I would like to add what Pentecostal Rev. Joseph R. Chambers in his article "Blasphemy: The False Anointing And The "Latter Reign" Movement" said concerning the "Jesus Only" false doctrine. He said, "This present "revival" characterizing the false anointing began in the late 1940s and early 1950s as "the Latter Reign Movement." What is happening now is a resurfacing of what Bible-believing churches rejected when it first occurred. One confusing false doctrine that came out of the latter reign movement is the "Jesus-only" theory, which denies the Trinity and presents a "god" who does not know who he is. He is schizophrenic, one minute claiming to be the Father that gave His son, the next minute claiming to be the Son, and the next minute claiming to be the Holy Ghost sent by the Father at the request of the Son. I often say to the Jesus-only proponents, "I would not want to serve a god who does not know for sure who He is." This kind of doctrinal confusion is the mindset of the present new wave anointing called "revival." In his article titled "The False Roots In the Present Revival", Chambers says of the Charismatic movement, "the Bible states clearly, "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" (Psalm 11:3). It is impossible to build a spiritual house unless the foundation is pure and Biblical. When a religious event is based on a foundation totally apart from the solid truth of Scripture, then that event cannot be accepted as New Testament or Biblical. The fruit that issues from an unbiblical religious experience or event may appear real, but will prove to be rotten fruit." Did not God say, "a deluding spirit so strong if possible, it would deceive the Elect?" We best stick to what thee Sscriptures teach and we best find out for ourselves, with the help of the Holy Spirit, what that is!
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