Re: Emergent Church Openly Accepts Homosexual Christians
| Posted On: 01/04/07 05:04:19 PM |
Age 51, AR |
The writer is correct to connect the questioning of God's Word (ever since Satan told Eve "hath God said?") with all other sins. It's the camel's nose under the tent.
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| Posted On: 01/05/07 10:51:43 AM | | Age 40, AL |
I have for years been watching the uprising and heretical teaching of Tony Campolo. I have read his beliefs concerning the inerrancy of scripture and his views upon grace. As Ken has pointed out He is an ear tickling people pleasing gutless false prophet who is leading people into the pits of Hell. I do believe in reaching out to the homosexuals for they need Christ. I cannot in any way accept them as Christians and they continue to live in their abomiable lifestyles. God help us when we have to conform to the world instead of standing on the life changing Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Re: Emergent Church Openly Accepts Homosexual Christians
| Posted On: 01/04/07 12:28:01 PM |
Age 37, OK |
How can McLaren think that Biblical answers to homosexuality are "multilayered"?!?!? My 14 year old is studing the laws and it is VERY clear what God's position was and is on this matter!!!! I dont ever seem to remember when God was a bit unsure or "multilayered" on any of His decisions, laws, etc. He is an orderly, concise and perfect God. We are the ones that muddy the water with our unwillingness to conform to HIm.
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Re: Emergent Church Openly Accepts Homosexual Christians
| Posted On: 01/04/07 09:57:15 AM |
Age 36, TX |
Aside from one particularly glaring point I agree with the article and with the feedback posted thus far. The "glaring point" is the comment at the beginning of the article which stated "the historic orthodox Christian faith recovered in the Protestant Reformation". The Protestant Reformation gave us "Catholic-lite" Lutheranism and the various denominations that split from there. If we truly want to speak of the "Orthodox" faith look at Jesus and the Disciples! They were all Jewish. Jesus did not come to form a new religion but to reform the faith that had existed in his day for thousands of years and still exists to day: the remnant of God-fearing, Bible believing, Commandment obeying people. This is the same remnant that existed in the time of Joseph (Gen 45:7), the time of Elijah (1 Kings 19:18), and the time of Paul (Rom 11:5). The current day remnant is of the same caliber and character.
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| Posted On: 01/05/07 09:01:39 AM | | Age 51, NH |
If I might humbly suggest it will serve you well to do some better research into Church history. Be careful not to get caught up in the Ray Vanderlaan (and his clone Rob Bell) with this Jesus as Rabbi messy-Jewishism. This is NOT too be confused with Messianic Judaism by the way. The Christian faith is the completion of the Jewish faith of Christ's time and His Church an extention rooted in Judaism but it grows into a personal relationship with God by the indwelling Spirit of God for all those called out to be in Christ. Christianity is NOT a religion, it is a relationship.
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| Posted On: 01/08/07 08:49:32 PM | | Age 36, TX |
May I as humbly suggest it might serve us all well to thoroughly read our Bibles more and listen to the "teachings of men" less. As a Messianic Jew I have had a wonderful relationship with God all throughout my life and with the acceptance of Yeshua (Jesus) as my Messiah I have only 1 thing that my brother Jews do not: a clear understanding of who Messiah is and the history of his first coming. Yes, there are some Jews who keep the commandments out of tradition and do not seek God. Others keep the commandments out of a sense of guilt but many Jews have a wonderful and intimate relationship with God without knowing Yeshua as Messiah (some rather notable examples: Moses, King David, King Solomon, Ezra, Nehemiah, etc). Their fulfillment and the fulfillment of all Jews as Jews will be even greater when Messiah returns and reveals himself to them (Rom 11:12). The story of Joseph is a wonderful foreshadowing of how Messiah is hidden from his brothers and how He will be revealed to his Jewish brothers in the end. God has blinded the eyes of the Jews to bring the Gentiles to salvation (Rom 11). The Bible speaks of a restored Temple during the reign of Messiah (Zech 6:12) and nations going up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. Those who do not go up will receive no rain (Zech 14:16-17). The New Testament is a thoroughly Jewish document. Believe it. :)
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Re: Emergent Church Openly Accepts Homosexual Christians
| Posted On: 12/27/06 05:39:56 PM |
Age 52, SD |
We are to love the sinner and hate the sin.
To accept homosexuals into the church, is OK. It's where it goes from there that, I think, the Lord is watching.
Do we segregate them into their own group or do we invite them to take part in whatever? To segregate them would be wrong, again, my opinion.
They should not be in any leadership position, until they repent and turn away from the life style they are leading.
To show the love of Jesus for them will do more than preaching at them. Let good fellowship, good bible study and the Word work on their heart.
If they want to repent, they will, and no one will be able to stop them once the Lord starts working on them and calling their heart to Him. If they're not ready, they won't repent and there is nothing we can do about it.
Blessings
Great article.
rodgw
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| Posted On: 01/04/07 09:56:07 AM | | Age 35, AL |
I agree with NC and VA - we cannot accept homosexuals into the church. Their very lifestyle is a slap in the face of God. He did not create us to be attracted to the same sex - that is what sin does. When we as a church do not address and confront sin within the church then we are in error and standing against God. The problem is not legalism but the fact that the "church" too often doesn't want to offend anyone therefore we put blinders on to their sin. What ever happened to old fashioned church discipline? My pastor is taking fire for confronting two people in an adulterous relationship. He is correct in what he did but yet there are several people in our church who think he should have just left them alone to figure it out for themselves. That is not so. The church is to be a haven for us to regenerate and encourage each other to go back out week after week into the world to live our lives as a testament to God and to share Christ with the lost around us. How can we be that and do that if we are allowing blatant sin and rebellion against God's Word to be in and flower within our midsts? Love the sinner and hate the sin. Be compassionate and loving when reaching out to those in homosexuality but do not embrace them and invite them into the church while they are still engaging in that lifestyle. Be bold and be courageous. Stand up and make the church what God intended it to be - not what is publically and politically acceptable!
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| Posted On: 12/29/06 05:38:22 PM | | Age 43, NC |
Incredulous! Where in the Bible does it say it is ok to allow homosexuals into the church? Where!? Where does it say to allow unrepentent sinners into the church fellowship? Where does the Bible say we are to invite the world into the church? Have we so little discernment? Have we elevated the traditions of men above the Word of God? Does anyone know what the local church body is for anymore? Contrary to popular belief it is NOT a place to bring sinners into so that they can be put under the preaching of the "hired gun" so that he can save them! It is NOT a social club! It is there for the building up of the saints (born again believers) so that they can boldly "go" into the world and witness the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Witness to a world dead in trespass and sin! When you are (or were) saved then you recieve(d) this commission from the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel to every creature. Wolves, grevious wolves are going to come in dressed as sheep anyway, why! WHY! WHY!! invite sin into the camp! Does anyone not read 2 John anymore?? 2 John 10-11, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." You invite the homosexual into your midst and have fellowship with them you are partaking of their sin! You invite an adulterer into your midst and have fellowship with them you are partaking of their sin! But once one of these are converted (who repents and forsakes their sin) then we are brothers and sisters to them, not before! Thus saith the LORD, "Be ye holy for I am holy!" The greatest Love we can show a sinner is their sins! Show them why their sin is so grevious to a HOLY GOD, and why a just, righteous, holy GOD cannot allow sin in His presence! Show them the consequence of their sin! and then show them the greatest Love ever known, that Jesus Christ came and took their place on the cross and gave Himself to die in their place, and pay the penalty for their sin! O WHAT LOVE! Pilgrim, that ain't just the preacher's job, it's the job of every born-again Christian! Go tell the world the Gospel!
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| Posted On: 12/30/06 10:24:37 AM | | Age 58, VA |
Well, I was wondering when someone else was going to respond to this article in the
Spirit of Truth? I can only wonder why so few have replied. Is it the state of the church? Are we already so afraid that we will found out and be persecuted for speaking the truth about the sin of homosexuality that we are afraid to blog about it here. This is one of the greatest threats to the Church at the moment and no one else has anything to say about it? Heaven help us!
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| Posted On: 01/03/07 01:55:39 PM | | Age 43, NC |
I suspect that there has been little response to such an article because if biblical standards were upheld churches would colapse from the exodus of people and their $$$.
Can't you just hear them on the way out the door, "Legalism! Legalism! I won't won't stand for such herisy as Legalism! I will not attend such a legalist church, where there is no love and no tolerance." "Why, can't we all just get along?"
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| Posted On: 12/28/06 05:11:32 AM | | Age 58, VA |
Sorry, I meant to say "if they are "unteachable" rather than "unreachable." Also, sorry if I have posted the same thing more than once. My computor is having a problem going "off line" and can't always tell when I am "on lin" while posting.
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| Posted On: 12/28/06 04:31:49 AM | | Age 58, VA |
Accepting a practicing homosexual into the church is wrong. It is no different than accepting a person into the church who is not married but who is living with their mate. It is the same as accepting a person into the church who is in adultry. The only time it would be acceptable would be "IF, If, If" that person is repentant and willing to and taking steps to change. Then they should be allowed to stay and seek diliverance. But if they are unteachable, not ready, can't agree, can't see it, any of these, they should not be allowed to stay. Read Corinthians. (As a matter of fact if they do not want to change, they should not even "want to stay" because of the WORD being preached that so convicts them that they want to leave) Paul rebuked and corrected the church for thinking they were walking in love by allowing a biblically wrong sexual relationship to continue within the body of believers. He told the church to tell them to leave until and if they would repent, turn from their sin. We must do the same! A little leaven leavens the whole lump! PS A "mega lump" or mega church might have a hard time with this. How will they even know what is going on in the lives of so many?
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Re: Emergent Church Openly Accepts Homosexual Christians
| Posted On: 12/27/06 12:55:48 AM |
Age 46, AK |
First I would suggest that we drop the pre-title, gay christian, lesbian christian etc. To be a Christian is to be a regenerated sinner, therefore solely a christian. Hanging on to the other portion seems to me a validation to sin, and has no place there, we are to put off the old lifestyle. As a single man, I struggle with the flesh, but the bottom line, heterosexual, homosexual or whatever, outside the boundries of marriage it is a sin to have sex PERIOD. If you have proclivities toward someone of the same sex, I believe you can be saved,however,I cannot believe you would be in any kind of "relationship",fulfilling the desires of your flesh, and truly be regenerate.It is still an abomination before the Lord, and we are to bring every thought captive towards him, and I believe that if look at a Woman or Man with lust in your eye, you have committed adultery already. Pray for those struggling with this powerful tool of the adversary.
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| Posted On: 12/27/06 09:34:39 PM | | Age 50, VA |
right on. I get tired of hearing only about gays in sexual sin. A gay man struggling with his feelings and asking the Lord for strenght and forgivness will be forgiven just as the straight man or woman who fights lustful feelings and has to ask the Lord for strenght and the same forgivness. HOWEVER, to the gays or straight people who dare to say God made me this way and I am not doing anything wrong by this action, woe to them I fear.
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| Posted On: 01/04/07 10:14:21 AM | | Age 49, TX |
The way I understand the term there is no such thing as a 'gay' man who does not act-out his sin. That is, the term defines the action. With that said I hope I understood you to mean that the 'gay' man you referred to is someone who understands he has this particular bent to sinning and is not fulfilling his particular lust of the flesh. Since we need to be careful to differentiate, I agree with the 46 year old from Alaska...let's drop the pre-titles, especially the term 'gay' and all its politically-correct overtones. If someone is struggling with this sin let's say that he is. If this person is a believer practicing and justifying his sin we need to charitably confront them, or, if an unbeliever charitably call the sin the sin that it is - Sodomy!
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