Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 03:14:14 PM |
Age 30, IN |
Let's see - one student at Harvard writes some complaints about current US policy...and this constitutes "Harvard hating the US"??? Is this meant to be a big joke? Why don't we write an article entitled "The Evangelical Christian Community approves of having meth-fueled homosexual trysts with gay prostitutes"? But seriously, I hope it is obvious to people that one can vigorously disagree with - even hate - much of what our current leadership is doing without "hating America." If not, then everyone who complained about Clinton's behavior during his White House tenure were "America-haters." But surely that's just silly. It is perfectly consistent to acknowledge the wonderful things the US has done throughout their history; to love the country; and yet to acknowledge its failures, to point out where it has gone - and is going - wrong, to militate against policies and politicians who would take the US further down an evil path. In fact, it is not only consistent - I would say that if one loves the US, one is OBLIGED to hate when our leadership starts to take our country in the wrong direction. So what does it say about a person when they conclude "X hates America" from the fact that X says something negative about what American leaders are doing? (I'm glad to hear that 30 IL is helping students become better equipped to avoid this kind of sloppy and dangerous thinking).
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Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 01:32:07 PM |
Age 43, NS |
And I thought all my fellow Canadians love and revere the USA. Your article hits to the beef of the issue. Most of what we see on our news and in the papers are anti-American rants, one-sided stories. We are told (more or less) the USA is being led by the Christian Right, whose sole purpose is to solidify her interests in world domination for oil, power, and greed. Not peace. Not democracy. Not freedom to do or say as "we" have it in the western world. I am proud of Prime Minister Harper for sticking to his laurels and God given rights. As an evangelical, I did not need anybody to polarize me. I know right from wrong, and I know the Truth. The one that sets you free, my Word, my Jesus. Please let the citizens of the USA know there are many Canadians who understand and agree with them. I am proud of our military, fighting in Afghanistan. We owe a lot to the USA, as you have said in your article. But, we also disagree with some actions and decisions, as you also do. As for the youth of Canada, and the USA, we, as their real teachers, must let them know what is really happening in the world, a non-political fight. A fight between two worldviews -- world domination by Islam, and the Supreme Dominion of Our Triune God.
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- Re: Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 02:55:30 PM | | Age 63, OH |
You have made some very valid comments. I
would like to ask you a question about the
"Triune God". Can you show me one place in
scripture where God is refered to as "triune". Or can you tell me one place in
scripture where God is called three persons.
The scriptures refer to the Father,Son,and
Holy Spirit but I can not find anywhere in
scripture where they are called more than
one person. In fact when the teacher of the
law asked Jesus the most important commandment Jesus said "Hear O Israel the Lord your God, the Lord is One". Couldn't
Jesus have created the word triune or trinity being the creater. If the father is
not the same person as Jesus why does it
call Jesus The father in Isaiah. Isaiah 9:6
" For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the Government will be on his
shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful,
Counselor, Mighty God, EVERLASTING FATHER,
Prince of Peace. It seems to me that the
scriptures clearly state that Mary's son
or the human body of Jesus was the son of
God. But the spirit of Jesus was God.
Otherwise Mary would be the mother of God.
But Mary was not the mother of God but only
the mother of his human body. God is
omnipresent he was on the throne in heaven
and on earth in the body of Jesus at the
same time. Not only that but he was everywhere in the universe at that same time. In the old testament does not Jehova
say "You will have no other savior except Me". I am not trying to be argumentive on
this point but would really like to hear
your comments.
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Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 10:25:17 AM |
Age 59, KS |
I think the writer, without realizing it, has made the progressives argument for them.
He cites Mr. Johnson's statement about how the U.S. is a multi-cultural melting pot of Lebanese, Koreans, etc. Most of our newest immigrants (other than those south of the border) are not Christians.
I don't think anyone hates the U.S. but do hate many of its policies. By the way, had there not been a Gorbechev there would still be a Soviet Union and a wall dividing Germany. It's wonderful that he and President Regan were on the same page. It shows what true cooperation between different ideals can accomplish.
As Christians, I feel that we need to show the world our love, tolerance and willingness to forgive instead of giving them a "my way or the highway" view of our faith. While I am conservative in many ways I can understand where some of todays conservative thought appear to be a bit overbearing. Thats where the Harvard grad is coming from, I think.
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Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 10:04:31 AM |
Age 72, WV |
Prophecy is surely being fulfilled. The author critisizes the Episcopalian Bishop for her stand on homosexuality (truly an abomination to God) but then quotes from a perveted translation (NIV) that had a lesbian on the translation committee.
God help us in these last days.
Chuck Sampson
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Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 09:18:50 AM |
Age 30, IL |
This article uses a manipulative tactic often found in general media coverage of controversial issues: a controversial headline or introduction that is meant to attract readers but has very little connection to the actual content of the article. This article is not actually about Harvard and its main support for its claim about Harvard is the dubious evidence of offering one example of a Harvard student. I teach a college course in which I encourage students to think critically about arguments, and to note such rhetorical manipulations -- often they find them in secular arguments about abortion, stem cell research, etc, but I'm disappointed to say that they can also find them in articles like this one, by authors and websites labeled "Christian." Such articles are hardly a good witness; online articles potentially reach a diverse audience, and websites labeling themselves as Christian ought to have the highest standards for accuracy and truthfulness so that these Christlike qualities are evident to readers.
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Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 08:52:55 AM |
Age 36, MA |
It is this kind of article that drives me crazy and creates fear in the hearts of those who are working so hard to build relationships with and eventually lead those among the "intellectual elite" to the Lord.
To say that Harvard hates God is ludicrous. Harvard doesn't hate anyone or anything. It is an institution - institutions cannot hate. People there may hate God. This is not big news. From the beginning of time there have been God-haters. We live in a fallen world and therefore we ought to be ministering to those who need Christ's love and grace. Harvard is a place where intellectuals gather to debate the merits of thoughts, ideas, beliefs, faith, and time-held traditions. Isn't it time that we as Christians re-engage in this dialogue for the benefit of the Kingdom of God?
Why are we afraid to engage in the intellectual world? Why don't we have the world's leading thinkers standing on the front lines convincing others of the merits of Christianity? We will not do so by bashing others. This is just a turn-off to the rest of the world. We will do so by listening and then engaging them in well-thought, well-conceived conversation.
I sat at the Harvard Divinity School two weeks ago for their Theological Education Day and was struck by one fantastic statistic: Evangelical Christians now represent the largest segment of divinity students at HDS; and their numbers keep growing. Wow! Let us not destroy this inroad. Rather, let us build upon it so we can allow the Holy Spirit to do His work. After all, is it not through Him and by Him and Because of Him (and not us) that lives are changed and people come to know Christ?
I cannot imagine that Jesus would have shunned those at Harvard because one person (or even many people) made disparaging comments about Christians. As a matter of fact, virtually everyone during the time of Christ and the subsequent era in which his followers built the church sought to do everything they could to tear down the work begun through Christ. Not only did they not bunker down, they worked harder to spread the love of Jesus and the Good News to those who actively sought to destroy the church and kill them.
Should we not also be salt and light in a world that so desperately needs Jesus? I truly believe it is time for you and me to be more involved at Harvard, at Princeton, and at any other elite institutions and continue to build the Kingdom of God by impacting those at such places.
Please, I am begging you and all of those who agree with your article to stop using the political tactics you attempt to use for the sake of God's glory. Rather, try the time-honored and true tactics of Christ Himself who came to teach, to serve, to talk, to love, to heal, and to save. From what I can tell, the ones you despise so much - the "liberal left" - are not turning to Christ because of your wrath. From my experience living in Boston, the least Christian city in the U.S.A. (according to Barna statistics), you are not winning the lost by writing that "Harvard Hates God." I believe you are doing just the opposite, which is a shame.
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- Re: Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 03:03:27 PM | | Age 63, OH |
Fantastic
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Re: Harvard Still Hates U.S.?
| Posted On: 11/29/06 08:14:23 AM |
Age 67, NC |
I agree. The battle we are in is spiritual warfare. We must get the truth out before satan devours us with his lies.
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